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"To score a century, there must be at least ten reds on the table when the player comes to play. If there are nine reds, then he can only score 99 (9 x 8 + 27 = 99) points at best." What is, when the player has a Free Ball with nine remaining reds? Then he can get 107 points with just nine remaining reds... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.187.170.162 ( talk) 15:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I think we should port the List of snooker players with over 100 century breaks into Century breaks, along the lines of the Maximum break article. At the moment we have two articles about different aspects of the same topic. With the Maximum break article we have one article that covers all aspects i.e. the definition of a maximum break, the list of maximums, a list of players that had multiples, and records relating to the maximum break. We could do something along those lines for century breaks: the definition of a century break, the list of players that have had one hundred centuries, and the various records relating to centuries. We can make one good article out of the two we have here and make it a one-stop shop for century breaks. Betty Logan ( talk) 04:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know if there is accepted list of tournaments that count as regards the number of centuries scored by the pros. Career totals are often quoted on the TV but no one ever explains what they really mean. I assume all ranking tournaments and PTCs count. What about qualifying rounds? Masters? Scottish Pro Championship? Premier League Snooker? etc
Also we have lists of centuries scored in each tournament in 2011/12 but not a list of the total number scored by each player for the season. (which would be much more interesting) Is there no list anywhere? Nigej 18:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Nigel when chris did his list the professional tournaments he didnt include were Power snooker due to the variant rules, shoot out due to the cushion rule and general cup because of the table size every other professional tournament including qualifying stages and the PIOS and q school also counted QueenAlexandria ( QueenAlexandria talk) 13:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
cuetracker.net has a list of century breaks from 1987 until today: http://www.cuetracker.net/pages/centuries.php?alltime&status=p
isn't this a reliable source? Eddie Nixon ( talk) 16:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello everybody, it was Cuetracker I was referring to earlier when mentioned Hawkins', etc. no. of centuries being incorrect. CT sometimes is a few days behind, but it's clearly a database. I think calling it a "fan site" if that was said, is unfair. Also, I'd be amazed if the BBC has its own, in-house, records on player performance. Billsmith60 ( talk) 10:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I updated this page on 27 april 2013 with information from 25 april but some people thought that information that is more than 1 year old is more valuable, so instead of reverting back (read doing absolutely nothing) because you don't like that there is only one source of information please find another one more valuable, check it, and add it.
Because of moderators laziness, wikipedia community will loose reputation
p.s: there is now snooker world championship going on, and the list changes a lot, the Eurosport sport commentators complain that information on wikipedia about players is very bad and with lot of mistakes, I wanted to help, but insted found a hostile community of people who don't care about other peoples work and time.
Necromantiarian ( talk) 16:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
The table of List of players with at least 100 century breaks is updated up to 29 April, 2013!
Note that you cannot keep the data from almost two years ago in Wikipedia article, just with the reason that you think the given reference is not a good reference!
However, in the future if you find some more reliable reference, you can express your new reference and update the data based on that.
Koorosh1234 ( talk| contribs) 14:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
As discussed in the two sections above, the century chart was removed since an up to date WP:Reliable source could not be found. Currently, an editor keeps restoring the section with the following three sources:
The problems with each of these sources are as follows:
The decision was taken above with another editor to remove the chart until a reliable source ccould be found, so therefore I am going to remove this data one more time, and I would appreciate it if it is not restored without a source that has professional journalistic oversight. Betty Logan ( talk) 18:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Although it's mentioned that the list of players with over 100 centuries has been merged with this article, I cannot see it in the current page. Was it lost again? Since the original article now redirects here, this list cannot be seen anymore in any article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.28.14 ( talk) 22:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Proposed solution I have spent some time looking at Cuetracker and it seems a reliable source which allows drill down to full results in all the tournaments it contains. I cannot comment on whether it contains all professional tournaments but that is certainly its aim. It is already cited in most of the individual players' pages for century breaks (and other stats). I suspect the issue with it is the difference between headline figures (e.g. Stephen Hendry 773 instead of 775 reported elsewhere) but I think this is down to other sources including non-professional early career results - they don't say and don't allow drill down so are in some ways less verifiable than Cuetracker. I propose using the Cuetracker Centuries list clearly stating that these are professional tournament centuries. I will leave this for a few days for comments (to avoid more to-ing and fro-ing on this page). Btljs ( talk) 04:21, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Update As Cuetracker provides the details of where & when all the centuries come from I compared the total at May 2011 with the results from Snooker Archive (as used by this page at the time) and Cuetracker is light for all players who started in the 90's. My theory is that this is because qualifying round centuries aren't included from earlier than about 2005 and are not readily available. Chris Turner no doubt had his own sources for this period. Not only does this mean that Cuetracker shouldn't be used for this table but it also shouldn't really be cited on the player pages for their career centuries either - unless they started in the last few years. I don't know what the protocol is - I've not found a preferable source. Btljs ( talk) 10:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Why??? cant we have a list with the top players? I am sure there are very reliable links for the top people so why not have at least a list with those over 200? I came here to this article looking for some top and I was really unpleasantly surprised not to find one. Even if the table is not 100% reliable, this is not a FA/FL so stop putting such a high threshold. Nergaal ( talk) 12:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I want ahead and trimmed down the hidden table to a sensible size with a reasonable amount of refs. The complete table before my trim is below. Nergaal ( talk) 12:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Rank | Player | Number of centuries | Number of seasons as Pro | Number of maximums | Refs |
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775 [1] | 27 | 11 [2] | |
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678 [3] | 20 | 11 | |
3 |
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500 [1] | 20 | 7 [4] | |
4 |
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325 | 34 | 1 | |
5 |
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300 [5] | 22 | 1 [6] | |
6 |
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300 [7] | 21 | 2 | |
7 |
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289 | 32 | 1 | |
8 |
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284 | 20 | 2 | |
9 |
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250 [8] | 15 | 2 | |
10 |
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226 | 15 | 2 [9] | |
11 |
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221 | 9 | 5 [10] | |
12 |
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221 | 27 | 1 | |
13 |
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220 | 18 | 1 [11] | |
14 |
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218 | 22 | 0 | |
15 |
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214 | 14 | 1 | |
16 |
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210 | 15 | 1 | |
17 |
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200 [12] | 14 | 1 | |
18 |
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165 [13] | 22 | 0 | |
19 |
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162 | 15 | 0 | |
20 |
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160 | 20 | 0 | |
21 |
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156 | 17 | 3 [14] | |
22 |
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149 | 23 | 3 | |
23 |
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134 | 21 | 1 [15] | |
24 |
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131 | 16 | 1 | |
25 |
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129 | 18 | 1 | |
26 |
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126 | 21 | 0 | |
27 |
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126 | 26 | 1 | |
28 |
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124 | 20 | 0 | |
29 |
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123 | 7 | 0 | |
30 |
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123 | 21 | 0 | |
31 |
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120 | 10 | 0 | |
32 |
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119 [16] | 27 | 1 | |
33 |
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117 | 20 | 0 | |
34 |
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115 | 16 | 0 | |
35 |
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115 | 21 | 0 | |
36 |
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114 | 11 | 0 | |
37 |
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113 | 23 | 1 | |
38 |
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111 | 18 | 0 | |
39 |
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109 | 20 | 1 | |
40 |
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108 | 13 | 1 [17] | |
41 |
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105 | 11 | 3 [18] | |
42 |
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102 | 12 | 2 [19] | |
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Nergaal ( talk) 15:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Nergaal ( talk) 15:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I find the recent flood of sometimes WP:REVERTWARring edits to be troubling. It can't be that hard to settle on which sources are reliable and mine them for data. There are not enough recorded century breaks in pro snooker on an ongoing basis to justify this level of article chaos. I'm getting more watchlist hits for this article than any other! — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Nergaal ( talk) 17:43, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Is this site reliable? I found a few seemingly good links there but the figures they provide are significantly below the cuetracker numbers. For updated figures see:
Nergaal ( talk) 09:46, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
TheRichest is an entertainment based website providing commentary, general information in relation to celebrities, luxury items, athletes, businesspersons, public figures, lifestyles, wealthy individuals, current trends and entertainment. Information on the site may contain errors or inaccuracies; the Website does not make any warranty as to the correctness or reliability of the sites content. The Website does not provide any warranty or guarantee as to the accuracy of the information. You acknowledge that such information and materials may contain inaccuracies and errors and we expressly exclude liability for any such inaccuracies or errors." This doesn't necessarily make them any worse than many other so called news sites but I wouldn't put much faith in them scrupulously researching their articles.(This is only my opinion). Btljs ( talk) 11:04, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Are these sites reliable? Nergaal ( talk) 19:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Who was fist to 100? Was it Davis or Hendry? Nergaal ( talk) 20:22, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Nergaal ( talk) 20:34, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
hello everyone, I am the site owner of snookerinfo, I have not come here to defend my site or to try to get anyone to use my centuries list for this page, I just feel I should join the discussion, I understand the reasoning for not being able to use my site.
Firstly, I used to look at Chris Turner's centuries list with great interest, so when he sadly passed away I decided to continue the list from where he'd left off for personal interest, after a while I noticed there weren't any sites that showed the centuries information, I asked on a public forums and someone suggested me creating a site so everyone could have a look at the centuries totals, So obviously I did.
Since I created my site, I have had many discussions with people who also try to keep this data (cuetracker, alexa etc...) as well as people like Dave Hendon (EuroSport commentator) to confirm which tournaments a century break should not count as 'official' and which tournaments they do. I have also had Chris Turners official spreadsheet passed on to me, so I have been able to use all the tally's that he kept and continually update during tournaments. Every time I am watching BBC or EuroSport and they show (or mention) a players career total, I always check right away with mine, the vast majority have matched (only 2 or 3 since I started not matching but usually only by one and I then work on it to find what's gone wrong). I also once sent my totals to Dave Hendon and he said that all my totals matched the ones he had with EuroSport except for Ding (although the reasoning for this has since been resolved).
So really, I just wanted to join this conversion as my site has been mentioned occasionally, I thought I'd get my points across, I think its a shame that no official site records centuries totals as it is a very important part of the game, like goals in football for example, I hope we can find a way to resolve this issue and everyone can see the centuries list because that's the reason I run my site, just to share stats that a lot of snooker fans want to know about. Snookerinfo ( talk) 12:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Not quite sure I understand what you are saying here, where you say 'Chris Tucker', do you mean Chris Turner or Cuetracker? Also, I know that Cuetracker is always adding older tournaments to his database but I don't see how that can affect the totals that Chris Turner got to, I certainly am not questioning the totals he came to, I am just adding onto his database, as I said, I know that mine and cuetrackers totals differ, but for me, the fact that my totals match BBC and/or EuroSport is enough to tell me that I am giving as accurate stats as I possibly can to my visitors, that to me is whats important Snookerinfo ( talk) 15:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
But there aren't any official sources from BBC or EuroSport, they don't very often post century totals in their articles, They just simply mention the players career totals during the commentary of a match, usually when the player is approaching another century.
And I'm not trying to push my site beyond the external links section, I just thought I should get involved in the discussion because my site has been mentioned in this talk page a few times, I'm not saying I want you to use my totals, I'm happy for people to just continue viewing the centuries list on my page whilst people coming here to view the centuries list won't be able to until BBC or EuroSport publish...which will probably not ever happen. Snookerinfo ( talk) 16:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
You think I'm going to watch hours and hours of footage just to find when a commentator mentions a players century total and that is only so I can source one player, why waste all that time just so people can look at one player's century total on wikipedia, I might as well save myself the time and people can just come to my site if they want to know century totals. Snookerinfo ( talk) 20:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Quick example of what I've said before, Been watching the snooker this morning, John Higgins against Robert Milkins, Higgins made a century in the first frame and the commentators said during the break he'd had 557 centuries in his career, so I checked on my site and I did indeed have 557, Milkins made a century in frame 3, commentators said its his 105th century, checked my records, it is indeed his 105th.
The problem with linking it as you said, this match is not going to be put on YouTube, so there is nowhere online I could link it to, And I'm not going to pause my TV and video it just to link one (or two in this case) players century total.
What I'm trying to say is though, When something like this happens, I check my site and realize for the player I'm checking, I have the same total as an official source, that makes me happy and more re-assurance that I am indeed giving accurate facts to my visitors. Snookerinfo ( talk) 09:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The list is now pretty out-dated overall, but with a few accurate figures (eg. O'Sullivan).
For sourcing, the tally on the individual player articles seems to be more accurate?
For instance, see Joe Perry here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Perry_%28snooker_player%29
Century breaks = 189
Yet on the list on this page he's in the 100 threshold, not the 150 one.
Perhaps it needs a systematic review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.130.148 ( talk) 20:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
This is my idea for including actual figures where possible. Not every player will have an actual figure in which case there should still be a ref for the threshold with a corresponding date. I'll wait for comments to see if there is any consensus on whether this is an improvement or not.
† | Retired player |
Threshold | Player | Total | Date | Ref |
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750 | Ronnie O'Sullivan | 776 | 15 Jan 2015 | [1] |
Stephen Hendry | 775 | 26 June 2014 | [2] | |
550 | John Higgins | 568 | 13 Jan 2015 | [3] |
350 | Neil Robertson | 394 | 13 Jan 2015 | |
Ding Junhui | 378 | 13 Jan 2015 | ||
Steve Davis | 1 Jan 2013 | [4] | ||
300 | ...etc... |
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help page).(references not necessarily correct in this mock-up) Btljs ( talk) 17:25, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I think the retired players can and should have their exact count listed in parenthesis after their name. The number will be accurate and won't break the current clarity. Nergaal ( talk) 21:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I would like to reorganize the intro my moving most of it into a separate ?method(s)? section and then summarizing some of the stuff from below. Any ideas? Nergaal ( talk) 21:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
According to WP:MOSFLAG nationality flags should only be used if someone is actually representing their country. These players scored most of their breaks in tournaments where their nationality was either irrelevant or only an entry requirement. They should be removed. Btljs ( talk) 09:59, 10 August 2015 (UTC) Btljs ( talk) 09:59, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
steve davis: http://cuetracker.net/Statistics/Centuries/Most-Made/Decade/1980-1989?status=Professional . Nergaal ( talk) 23:12, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Will editors please observe the editing note in the list section and not change the century break counts based on fansites and blogs. Wikipedia policy states that fansites/blogs etc are not suitable for sourcing. All statistics should be attributed to professional sources with editorial oversight. This has been discussed on several occasions now, and websites like Pro Snooker Blog, Snooker.info and CueTracker are all run by fans and are not suitable as sources. The table should be updated using data from World Snooker and publishers such as the BBC and Eurosport. Betty Logan ( talk) 23:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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'and requires potting of at least 24 consecutive balls' - error is the nos of ball is 26 and not 24. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:7400:C800:F425:18EB:75D1:32E:9FEB ( talk) 13:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
I prefer this version: In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton), is a score of 100 points or more in one visit to the table without missing a shot. This would require, at the very least, potting 25 consecutive balls.
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Hi this is Eurosport commentator's Dave Hendon's twitter would this be an acceptable source? https://twitter.com/davehendon/status/702096924984406019 QueenAlexandria ( talk) 15:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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In recent months, various snooker records have been broken, like the six consecutive centuries between Kyren Wilson and Anthony Hamilton, as well as 9 centuries in World Snooker Championship semi-final between Ding Junhui and Alan McManus, along with Ding's six centuries in that match. Is it the time to do a cleanup on such records?-- Ui56k ( talk) 19:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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In the Section: Records > Career, it is Steve Davis and not Joe Davis whom compiled the first televised century break in 1962. See provided link in the article. FXMouthuy ( talk) 21:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Not done: You are mistaken. Steve Davis only turned pro in 1978 and there were certainly televised century breaks before then. Steve Davis is merely presenting the documentary in the link that accompanies the claim.
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End of opening section - change total century breaks by Ronnie O'Sullivan to 824. Citation: http://www.prosnookerblog.com/centuries/ Rhedra ( talk) 20:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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The citation is a book so I can't view it. Since 1000 is more than the all-time record of 847 (and counting) may I presume that Horace Lindrum got 1000 centuries... in billiards. Since this article is about snooker, not billiards, this should be removed. I suppose ideally there should be a billiard section to this whole article and the Lindrum citation should go there. I will try and track down the book on Google Books, which would settle the issue all together. 2.30.97.96 ( talk) 21:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
I can see the records page have been updated to include the newest records, but there are a few things to note:
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To be honest, this page is quite a mess.
It should be updated regularly, if it is going to have any meaning at all. And it should be opened for references to sites, that actually update their century-lists.
Also it does not make much sense, that the players' individual pages show different century-counts than this page.
If the page is not allowed regularly updates, maybe it should just be closed down altogether?
In no mean spirit ~ Thomas Kirk Larsen ( talk) 18:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
As alluded to earlier, this article is a mess.
In particular, the list of players with 100 century breaks in professional competition is useless, when century counts are updated with links still referring to old counts.
Also, the article includes several links only available to UK users. This last point is not in breach of Wikipedia policy, though. It is just an additional weakness.
In no mean spirit – though previously being accused of "borderline vandalism" by that Betty Logan figure. Thomas Kirk Larsen ( talk) 11:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi fellow Wikipedians. I would like to ask, if there is consensus on using "RKG Snooker" as a Wikipedia source(?) The source in question is used quite a number of times in this article, and if it is regarded a reliable source, it seems possible to tidy up the list included in the article quite a bit. However, I'm not sure, the source meets the required criteria(?) Thomas Kirk Larsen ( talk) 13:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
I provided a confirmed list of players with 100+ centuries. The solution might not seem ideal, but maybe it is better than deleting the list altogether. The latter seems to be the only other alternative. Thomas Kirk Larsen ( talk) 15:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Once again, I have had to revert changes initiated by editors using questionable sites as sources. Cuetracker.net, Snookerinfo.webs.com and Rkgsnooker.com are not WP:Reliable sources because they are fansites/blogs/self-published per WP:SPS. Moreover, they are inconsistent. It is worth comparing the three sources with the official World Snooker statistics:
Player | Cuetracker | Snookerinfo | RKG Snooker | BBC | WPBSA (official) |
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Ronnie O'Sullivan | 982 | 989 | 989 | ||
Stephen Hendry | 772 | 775 | 775 | 775 | 775 |
John Higgins | 727 | 739 | 739 | ||
Neil Robertson | 603 | 606 | 606 | ||
Judd Trump | 583 | 584 | 584 | ||
Mark Selby | 556 | 554 | 554 | ||
Steve Davis | 355 | 338 | 338 | 355 | 355 |
Matthew Stevens | 294 | 300 | 300 |
There is a clear disparity between Cuetracker and the other two sources. Snookerinfo and RKGSnooker are consistent with each other, but it's not clear if they arrived at their figures independently. One list may be using the other. The Cuetracker counts tend to come in slightly lower than the others, but this is not the case with Mark Selby and Steve Davis. All three sites contain data that contradicts the BBC and World Snooker itself: Hendry once held the widely reported world record of 775 centuries but Cuetracker is coming up three short; likewise, when Steve Davis retired both the BBC and World Snooker put his century count at 355 (which Cutracker accurately records) but the other two sites have him way down on 338. It is clear that to the extent that World Snooker and the BBC are accurate, then these other sites must be inaccurate.
Given how difficult it is to track down up-to-date century statistics, then if we are going to log this information we are dependent on fansites for it. Taking Matthew Stevens as an example (who seems to be a recent source of contention) he has obviously compiled approximately 300 century breaks. However, we don't actually know which source is correct here: one of them at least must be wrong, and given that all the sources contain inaccuracies it is not obvious which source—if either—is correct. In my view, if we are going to use a fansite to increment the counts then we should wait until they all consistently put the player over that threshold! For example, all the sources now have Neil Robertson on over 600 centuries so I think its is reasonable for the table to reflect this, but I don't think it is reasonable for us to assume Stevens has passed 300 centuries on the basis of the data we have available to us. We know he has scored over 250—and this is still correct if he has scored 300 or not—so the table does not become wrong by leaving him at the lower threshold for now. Betty Logan ( talk) 23:23, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
This BBC article is interesting as it uses both Cuetracker and Pro Snooker Blog as sources: [1] It also seems to explain the potential discrepancies between the Cuetracker stats and the others with a note which says "*Centuries made in team events not included in the chart" Andrewdpcotton ( talk) 11:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The reason for the descrepency is Snooker Info follows on from Chris Turner's old website which was missing centuries. also cuetracker includes tournaments Chris himself didnt count like the shoot out which was at the time a variant I dont watch it so no idea whether it still still a variant format. The unconfirmed list should also include Brecel wnd Gary Wilson who have also passed 100. I dont understand why world snooker cannot do a list it will take maybe 2 hours to compile as only 68 players have made 100 centuries QueenAlexandria ( talk) 21:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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I feel that the very first statement, while not incorrect, doesn't convey the entire meaning of a century break: In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton) is a score of 100 points or more within one visit at the table without missing a shot and requires potting at least 25 consecutive balls.
I prefer this version: In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton), is a score of 100 points or more in one visit to the table without missing a shot. This would require, at the very least, potting 25 consecutive balls.
Opinions?
How can we proceed? There is no official list of career century breaks, there is no official list of century breaks per player per season, there is not even a permanently available list of centuries per tournament. On so called reliable sources numbers of career centuries only pop up for Ronnie O'Sullivan and, very occasionally, for a few other top players. So what are our options? We can keep this list with references to sport journalism sources deemed reliable, leading to a very much out-of-date and inconsistent state. We can scrap the the article. Or we can begin the real epic task of listing centuries by season, broken down by tournament, in whatever sub-article division with respective sources. My proposal would be to list centuries by season and player with reference to a main article per season. The main article per season then needs to reference respective sources. And as a summary we can add up the season results to career centuries per player. Käptn Weltall ( talk) 00:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton) is a score of 100 points or more within one visit at the table without missing a shot and requires potting at least 25 consecutive balls. This sentence should be changed to In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton) is a score of 100 points or more within one visit at the table without missing a shot and requires potting at least 26 consecutive balls. because 12 x ( 7 + 1 ) + 1 = 97 and this is not century break. The only way to make a century break is to pot colour ball after the 25th ball (which by default is red). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georg.kosh ( talk • contribs) 06:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
I suggest that the total for active players be updated at the end of each season. For instance, Hawkins and Doherty have exceeded the relevant threshold in which they're listed Billsmith60 ( talk) 11:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the "secondary list". Not only was it confusing (why is it secondary?) and mostly duplicate (largely identical to the first list), it also didn't meet WP:RS and had a long standing request for better sources. If there was any good reason to have it in the article, please explain. Renerpho ( talk) 00:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Isn't it time we accepted the reality that the media and WST are using https://znookerinfo.webs.com/100centuries which is currently a blacklisted page on Wikipedia (change z to s if you want to use this link). Chris Turner kept a list ( https://web.archive.org/web/20120531193415/http://www.cajt.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Centuries.htm) which was last updated on 23 October 2011, shortly before his death. Snookerinfo took on Turner's list soon afterwards, see https://web.archive.org/web/20120218065003/http://znookerinfo.webs.com/ from 18 February 2012 which links to Turner's page and says "That was continually updated by Chris Turner who sadly passed away a few weeks ago, So I have decided to continue the century breaks list on my own website in the memory of him as he was the only one to do the century breaks list on the internet and I'm sure many people will still like to keep looking at this." There was a century list from as early as 12 February 2012 https://web.archive.org/web/20120218093259/http://znookerinfo.webs.com/centurybreaks.htm which is clearly Turner's list updated. Later there seemed to have been an idea to publish Turner's seasonal totals but only a few years were ever produced, see https://web.archive.org/web/20140811012846/http://znookerinfo.webs.com/centuriesbyseason.htm which says "First of all, all the totals from the 'up to 1986' page to the '2010-11' page were compiled by the late Chris Turner, so all credit goes to him for his hard work in gathering these totals over the years. All totals from the '2011-12' season were compiled by Alexandria Hassett (@snookerstats147) and all totals since then are compiled by myself and compared with CueTrackers' totals to ensure complete accuracy." Personally I can't see the point in us scouring the internet for specific references when the rest of the world is simply using this list. (I've had to change the url from the blacklisted pages, snookerinfo to znookerinfo) Nigej ( talk) 06:59, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
It's weird to see a list containing only about a third of the reported players to have passed the century of centuries mark. I have a hard time believing that EVEN unreliable lists are so off that reported players with over 250 hits can't be included in a list of those above 100. 2A02:2F0B:B407:BD00:C027:E3F4:FD7C:4983 ( talk) 20:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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"To score a century, there must be at least ten reds on the table when the player comes to play. If there are nine reds, then he can only score 99 (9 x 8 + 27 = 99) points at best." What is, when the player has a Free Ball with nine remaining reds? Then he can get 107 points with just nine remaining reds... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.187.170.162 ( talk) 15:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I think we should port the List of snooker players with over 100 century breaks into Century breaks, along the lines of the Maximum break article. At the moment we have two articles about different aspects of the same topic. With the Maximum break article we have one article that covers all aspects i.e. the definition of a maximum break, the list of maximums, a list of players that had multiples, and records relating to the maximum break. We could do something along those lines for century breaks: the definition of a century break, the list of players that have had one hundred centuries, and the various records relating to centuries. We can make one good article out of the two we have here and make it a one-stop shop for century breaks. Betty Logan ( talk) 04:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know if there is accepted list of tournaments that count as regards the number of centuries scored by the pros. Career totals are often quoted on the TV but no one ever explains what they really mean. I assume all ranking tournaments and PTCs count. What about qualifying rounds? Masters? Scottish Pro Championship? Premier League Snooker? etc
Also we have lists of centuries scored in each tournament in 2011/12 but not a list of the total number scored by each player for the season. (which would be much more interesting) Is there no list anywhere? Nigej 18:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Nigel when chris did his list the professional tournaments he didnt include were Power snooker due to the variant rules, shoot out due to the cushion rule and general cup because of the table size every other professional tournament including qualifying stages and the PIOS and q school also counted QueenAlexandria ( QueenAlexandria talk) 13:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
cuetracker.net has a list of century breaks from 1987 until today: http://www.cuetracker.net/pages/centuries.php?alltime&status=p
isn't this a reliable source? Eddie Nixon ( talk) 16:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello everybody, it was Cuetracker I was referring to earlier when mentioned Hawkins', etc. no. of centuries being incorrect. CT sometimes is a few days behind, but it's clearly a database. I think calling it a "fan site" if that was said, is unfair. Also, I'd be amazed if the BBC has its own, in-house, records on player performance. Billsmith60 ( talk) 10:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I updated this page on 27 april 2013 with information from 25 april but some people thought that information that is more than 1 year old is more valuable, so instead of reverting back (read doing absolutely nothing) because you don't like that there is only one source of information please find another one more valuable, check it, and add it.
Because of moderators laziness, wikipedia community will loose reputation
p.s: there is now snooker world championship going on, and the list changes a lot, the Eurosport sport commentators complain that information on wikipedia about players is very bad and with lot of mistakes, I wanted to help, but insted found a hostile community of people who don't care about other peoples work and time.
Necromantiarian ( talk) 16:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
The table of List of players with at least 100 century breaks is updated up to 29 April, 2013!
Note that you cannot keep the data from almost two years ago in Wikipedia article, just with the reason that you think the given reference is not a good reference!
However, in the future if you find some more reliable reference, you can express your new reference and update the data based on that.
Koorosh1234 ( talk| contribs) 14:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
As discussed in the two sections above, the century chart was removed since an up to date WP:Reliable source could not be found. Currently, an editor keeps restoring the section with the following three sources:
The problems with each of these sources are as follows:
The decision was taken above with another editor to remove the chart until a reliable source ccould be found, so therefore I am going to remove this data one more time, and I would appreciate it if it is not restored without a source that has professional journalistic oversight. Betty Logan ( talk) 18:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Although it's mentioned that the list of players with over 100 centuries has been merged with this article, I cannot see it in the current page. Was it lost again? Since the original article now redirects here, this list cannot be seen anymore in any article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.28.14 ( talk) 22:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Proposed solution I have spent some time looking at Cuetracker and it seems a reliable source which allows drill down to full results in all the tournaments it contains. I cannot comment on whether it contains all professional tournaments but that is certainly its aim. It is already cited in most of the individual players' pages for century breaks (and other stats). I suspect the issue with it is the difference between headline figures (e.g. Stephen Hendry 773 instead of 775 reported elsewhere) but I think this is down to other sources including non-professional early career results - they don't say and don't allow drill down so are in some ways less verifiable than Cuetracker. I propose using the Cuetracker Centuries list clearly stating that these are professional tournament centuries. I will leave this for a few days for comments (to avoid more to-ing and fro-ing on this page). Btljs ( talk) 04:21, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Update As Cuetracker provides the details of where & when all the centuries come from I compared the total at May 2011 with the results from Snooker Archive (as used by this page at the time) and Cuetracker is light for all players who started in the 90's. My theory is that this is because qualifying round centuries aren't included from earlier than about 2005 and are not readily available. Chris Turner no doubt had his own sources for this period. Not only does this mean that Cuetracker shouldn't be used for this table but it also shouldn't really be cited on the player pages for their career centuries either - unless they started in the last few years. I don't know what the protocol is - I've not found a preferable source. Btljs ( talk) 10:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Why??? cant we have a list with the top players? I am sure there are very reliable links for the top people so why not have at least a list with those over 200? I came here to this article looking for some top and I was really unpleasantly surprised not to find one. Even if the table is not 100% reliable, this is not a FA/FL so stop putting such a high threshold. Nergaal ( talk) 12:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I want ahead and trimmed down the hidden table to a sensible size with a reasonable amount of refs. The complete table before my trim is below. Nergaal ( talk) 12:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Rank | Player | Number of centuries | Number of seasons as Pro | Number of maximums | Refs |
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775 [1] | 27 | 11 [2] | |
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678 [3] | 20 | 11 | |
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500 [1] | 20 | 7 [4] | |
4 |
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325 | 34 | 1 | |
5 |
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300 [5] | 22 | 1 [6] | |
6 |
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300 [7] | 21 | 2 | |
7 |
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289 | 32 | 1 | |
8 |
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284 | 20 | 2 | |
9 |
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250 [8] | 15 | 2 | |
10 |
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226 | 15 | 2 [9] | |
11 |
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221 | 9 | 5 [10] | |
12 |
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221 | 27 | 1 | |
13 |
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220 | 18 | 1 [11] | |
14 |
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218 | 22 | 0 | |
15 |
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214 | 14 | 1 | |
16 |
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210 | 15 | 1 | |
17 |
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200 [12] | 14 | 1 | |
18 |
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165 [13] | 22 | 0 | |
19 |
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162 | 15 | 0 | |
20 |
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160 | 20 | 0 | |
21 |
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156 | 17 | 3 [14] | |
22 |
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149 | 23 | 3 | |
23 |
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134 | 21 | 1 [15] | |
24 |
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131 | 16 | 1 | |
25 |
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129 | 18 | 1 | |
26 |
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126 | 21 | 0 | |
27 |
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126 | 26 | 1 | |
28 |
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124 | 20 | 0 | |
29 |
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123 | 7 | 0 | |
30 |
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123 | 21 | 0 | |
31 |
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120 | 10 | 0 | |
32 |
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119 [16] | 27 | 1 | |
33 |
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117 | 20 | 0 | |
34 |
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115 | 16 | 0 | |
35 |
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115 | 21 | 0 | |
36 |
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114 | 11 | 0 | |
37 |
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113 | 23 | 1 | |
38 |
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111 | 18 | 0 | |
39 |
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109 | 20 | 1 | |
40 |
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108 | 13 | 1 [17] | |
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105 | 11 | 3 [18] | |
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102 | 12 | 2 [19] | |
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Nergaal ( talk) 15:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I find the recent flood of sometimes WP:REVERTWARring edits to be troubling. It can't be that hard to settle on which sources are reliable and mine them for data. There are not enough recorded century breaks in pro snooker on an ongoing basis to justify this level of article chaos. I'm getting more watchlist hits for this article than any other! — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Nergaal ( talk) 17:43, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Is this site reliable? I found a few seemingly good links there but the figures they provide are significantly below the cuetracker numbers. For updated figures see:
Nergaal ( talk) 09:46, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
TheRichest is an entertainment based website providing commentary, general information in relation to celebrities, luxury items, athletes, businesspersons, public figures, lifestyles, wealthy individuals, current trends and entertainment. Information on the site may contain errors or inaccuracies; the Website does not make any warranty as to the correctness or reliability of the sites content. The Website does not provide any warranty or guarantee as to the accuracy of the information. You acknowledge that such information and materials may contain inaccuracies and errors and we expressly exclude liability for any such inaccuracies or errors." This doesn't necessarily make them any worse than many other so called news sites but I wouldn't put much faith in them scrupulously researching their articles.(This is only my opinion). Btljs ( talk) 11:04, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Are these sites reliable? Nergaal ( talk) 19:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Who was fist to 100? Was it Davis or Hendry? Nergaal ( talk) 20:22, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Nergaal ( talk) 20:34, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
hello everyone, I am the site owner of snookerinfo, I have not come here to defend my site or to try to get anyone to use my centuries list for this page, I just feel I should join the discussion, I understand the reasoning for not being able to use my site.
Firstly, I used to look at Chris Turner's centuries list with great interest, so when he sadly passed away I decided to continue the list from where he'd left off for personal interest, after a while I noticed there weren't any sites that showed the centuries information, I asked on a public forums and someone suggested me creating a site so everyone could have a look at the centuries totals, So obviously I did.
Since I created my site, I have had many discussions with people who also try to keep this data (cuetracker, alexa etc...) as well as people like Dave Hendon (EuroSport commentator) to confirm which tournaments a century break should not count as 'official' and which tournaments they do. I have also had Chris Turners official spreadsheet passed on to me, so I have been able to use all the tally's that he kept and continually update during tournaments. Every time I am watching BBC or EuroSport and they show (or mention) a players career total, I always check right away with mine, the vast majority have matched (only 2 or 3 since I started not matching but usually only by one and I then work on it to find what's gone wrong). I also once sent my totals to Dave Hendon and he said that all my totals matched the ones he had with EuroSport except for Ding (although the reasoning for this has since been resolved).
So really, I just wanted to join this conversion as my site has been mentioned occasionally, I thought I'd get my points across, I think its a shame that no official site records centuries totals as it is a very important part of the game, like goals in football for example, I hope we can find a way to resolve this issue and everyone can see the centuries list because that's the reason I run my site, just to share stats that a lot of snooker fans want to know about. Snookerinfo ( talk) 12:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Not quite sure I understand what you are saying here, where you say 'Chris Tucker', do you mean Chris Turner or Cuetracker? Also, I know that Cuetracker is always adding older tournaments to his database but I don't see how that can affect the totals that Chris Turner got to, I certainly am not questioning the totals he came to, I am just adding onto his database, as I said, I know that mine and cuetrackers totals differ, but for me, the fact that my totals match BBC and/or EuroSport is enough to tell me that I am giving as accurate stats as I possibly can to my visitors, that to me is whats important Snookerinfo ( talk) 15:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
But there aren't any official sources from BBC or EuroSport, they don't very often post century totals in their articles, They just simply mention the players career totals during the commentary of a match, usually when the player is approaching another century.
And I'm not trying to push my site beyond the external links section, I just thought I should get involved in the discussion because my site has been mentioned in this talk page a few times, I'm not saying I want you to use my totals, I'm happy for people to just continue viewing the centuries list on my page whilst people coming here to view the centuries list won't be able to until BBC or EuroSport publish...which will probably not ever happen. Snookerinfo ( talk) 16:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
You think I'm going to watch hours and hours of footage just to find when a commentator mentions a players century total and that is only so I can source one player, why waste all that time just so people can look at one player's century total on wikipedia, I might as well save myself the time and people can just come to my site if they want to know century totals. Snookerinfo ( talk) 20:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Quick example of what I've said before, Been watching the snooker this morning, John Higgins against Robert Milkins, Higgins made a century in the first frame and the commentators said during the break he'd had 557 centuries in his career, so I checked on my site and I did indeed have 557, Milkins made a century in frame 3, commentators said its his 105th century, checked my records, it is indeed his 105th.
The problem with linking it as you said, this match is not going to be put on YouTube, so there is nowhere online I could link it to, And I'm not going to pause my TV and video it just to link one (or two in this case) players century total.
What I'm trying to say is though, When something like this happens, I check my site and realize for the player I'm checking, I have the same total as an official source, that makes me happy and more re-assurance that I am indeed giving accurate facts to my visitors. Snookerinfo ( talk) 09:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The list is now pretty out-dated overall, but with a few accurate figures (eg. O'Sullivan).
For sourcing, the tally on the individual player articles seems to be more accurate?
For instance, see Joe Perry here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Perry_%28snooker_player%29
Century breaks = 189
Yet on the list on this page he's in the 100 threshold, not the 150 one.
Perhaps it needs a systematic review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.130.148 ( talk) 20:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
This is my idea for including actual figures where possible. Not every player will have an actual figure in which case there should still be a ref for the threshold with a corresponding date. I'll wait for comments to see if there is any consensus on whether this is an improvement or not.
† | Retired player |
Threshold | Player | Total | Date | Ref |
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750 | Ronnie O'Sullivan | 776 | 15 Jan 2015 | [1] |
Stephen Hendry | 775 | 26 June 2014 | [2] | |
550 | John Higgins | 568 | 13 Jan 2015 | [3] |
350 | Neil Robertson | 394 | 13 Jan 2015 | |
Ding Junhui | 378 | 13 Jan 2015 | ||
Steve Davis | 1 Jan 2013 | [4] | ||
300 | ...etc... |
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I think the retired players can and should have their exact count listed in parenthesis after their name. The number will be accurate and won't break the current clarity. Nergaal ( talk) 21:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I would like to reorganize the intro my moving most of it into a separate ?method(s)? section and then summarizing some of the stuff from below. Any ideas? Nergaal ( talk) 21:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
According to WP:MOSFLAG nationality flags should only be used if someone is actually representing their country. These players scored most of their breaks in tournaments where their nationality was either irrelevant or only an entry requirement. They should be removed. Btljs ( talk) 09:59, 10 August 2015 (UTC) Btljs ( talk) 09:59, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
steve davis: http://cuetracker.net/Statistics/Centuries/Most-Made/Decade/1980-1989?status=Professional . Nergaal ( talk) 23:12, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Will editors please observe the editing note in the list section and not change the century break counts based on fansites and blogs. Wikipedia policy states that fansites/blogs etc are not suitable for sourcing. All statistics should be attributed to professional sources with editorial oversight. This has been discussed on several occasions now, and websites like Pro Snooker Blog, Snooker.info and CueTracker are all run by fans and are not suitable as sources. The table should be updated using data from World Snooker and publishers such as the BBC and Eurosport. Betty Logan ( talk) 23:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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'and requires potting of at least 24 consecutive balls' - error is the nos of ball is 26 and not 24. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:7400:C800:F425:18EB:75D1:32E:9FEB ( talk) 13:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
I prefer this version: In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton), is a score of 100 points or more in one visit to the table without missing a shot. This would require, at the very least, potting 25 consecutive balls.
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Hi this is Eurosport commentator's Dave Hendon's twitter would this be an acceptable source? https://twitter.com/davehendon/status/702096924984406019 QueenAlexandria ( talk) 15:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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In recent months, various snooker records have been broken, like the six consecutive centuries between Kyren Wilson and Anthony Hamilton, as well as 9 centuries in World Snooker Championship semi-final between Ding Junhui and Alan McManus, along with Ding's six centuries in that match. Is it the time to do a cleanup on such records?-- Ui56k ( talk) 19:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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In the Section: Records > Career, it is Steve Davis and not Joe Davis whom compiled the first televised century break in 1962. See provided link in the article. FXMouthuy ( talk) 21:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Not done: You are mistaken. Steve Davis only turned pro in 1978 and there were certainly televised century breaks before then. Steve Davis is merely presenting the documentary in the link that accompanies the claim.
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End of opening section - change total century breaks by Ronnie O'Sullivan to 824. Citation: http://www.prosnookerblog.com/centuries/ Rhedra ( talk) 20:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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The citation is a book so I can't view it. Since 1000 is more than the all-time record of 847 (and counting) may I presume that Horace Lindrum got 1000 centuries... in billiards. Since this article is about snooker, not billiards, this should be removed. I suppose ideally there should be a billiard section to this whole article and the Lindrum citation should go there. I will try and track down the book on Google Books, which would settle the issue all together. 2.30.97.96 ( talk) 21:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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To be honest, this page is quite a mess.
It should be updated regularly, if it is going to have any meaning at all. And it should be opened for references to sites, that actually update their century-lists.
Also it does not make much sense, that the players' individual pages show different century-counts than this page.
If the page is not allowed regularly updates, maybe it should just be closed down altogether?
In no mean spirit ~ Thomas Kirk Larsen ( talk) 18:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
As alluded to earlier, this article is a mess.
In particular, the list of players with 100 century breaks in professional competition is useless, when century counts are updated with links still referring to old counts.
Also, the article includes several links only available to UK users. This last point is not in breach of Wikipedia policy, though. It is just an additional weakness.
In no mean spirit – though previously being accused of "borderline vandalism" by that Betty Logan figure. Thomas Kirk Larsen ( talk) 11:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi fellow Wikipedians. I would like to ask, if there is consensus on using "RKG Snooker" as a Wikipedia source(?) The source in question is used quite a number of times in this article, and if it is regarded a reliable source, it seems possible to tidy up the list included in the article quite a bit. However, I'm not sure, the source meets the required criteria(?) Thomas Kirk Larsen ( talk) 13:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
I provided a confirmed list of players with 100+ centuries. The solution might not seem ideal, but maybe it is better than deleting the list altogether. The latter seems to be the only other alternative. Thomas Kirk Larsen ( talk) 15:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Once again, I have had to revert changes initiated by editors using questionable sites as sources. Cuetracker.net, Snookerinfo.webs.com and Rkgsnooker.com are not WP:Reliable sources because they are fansites/blogs/self-published per WP:SPS. Moreover, they are inconsistent. It is worth comparing the three sources with the official World Snooker statistics:
Player | Cuetracker | Snookerinfo | RKG Snooker | BBC | WPBSA (official) |
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Ronnie O'Sullivan | 982 | 989 | 989 | ||
Stephen Hendry | 772 | 775 | 775 | 775 | 775 |
John Higgins | 727 | 739 | 739 | ||
Neil Robertson | 603 | 606 | 606 | ||
Judd Trump | 583 | 584 | 584 | ||
Mark Selby | 556 | 554 | 554 | ||
Steve Davis | 355 | 338 | 338 | 355 | 355 |
Matthew Stevens | 294 | 300 | 300 |
There is a clear disparity between Cuetracker and the other two sources. Snookerinfo and RKGSnooker are consistent with each other, but it's not clear if they arrived at their figures independently. One list may be using the other. The Cuetracker counts tend to come in slightly lower than the others, but this is not the case with Mark Selby and Steve Davis. All three sites contain data that contradicts the BBC and World Snooker itself: Hendry once held the widely reported world record of 775 centuries but Cuetracker is coming up three short; likewise, when Steve Davis retired both the BBC and World Snooker put his century count at 355 (which Cutracker accurately records) but the other two sites have him way down on 338. It is clear that to the extent that World Snooker and the BBC are accurate, then these other sites must be inaccurate.
Given how difficult it is to track down up-to-date century statistics, then if we are going to log this information we are dependent on fansites for it. Taking Matthew Stevens as an example (who seems to be a recent source of contention) he has obviously compiled approximately 300 century breaks. However, we don't actually know which source is correct here: one of them at least must be wrong, and given that all the sources contain inaccuracies it is not obvious which source—if either—is correct. In my view, if we are going to use a fansite to increment the counts then we should wait until they all consistently put the player over that threshold! For example, all the sources now have Neil Robertson on over 600 centuries so I think its is reasonable for the table to reflect this, but I don't think it is reasonable for us to assume Stevens has passed 300 centuries on the basis of the data we have available to us. We know he has scored over 250—and this is still correct if he has scored 300 or not—so the table does not become wrong by leaving him at the lower threshold for now. Betty Logan ( talk) 23:23, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
This BBC article is interesting as it uses both Cuetracker and Pro Snooker Blog as sources: [1] It also seems to explain the potential discrepancies between the Cuetracker stats and the others with a note which says "*Centuries made in team events not included in the chart" Andrewdpcotton ( talk) 11:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The reason for the descrepency is Snooker Info follows on from Chris Turner's old website which was missing centuries. also cuetracker includes tournaments Chris himself didnt count like the shoot out which was at the time a variant I dont watch it so no idea whether it still still a variant format. The unconfirmed list should also include Brecel wnd Gary Wilson who have also passed 100. I dont understand why world snooker cannot do a list it will take maybe 2 hours to compile as only 68 players have made 100 centuries QueenAlexandria ( talk) 21:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
References
I feel that the very first statement, while not incorrect, doesn't convey the entire meaning of a century break: In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton) is a score of 100 points or more within one visit at the table without missing a shot and requires potting at least 25 consecutive balls.
I prefer this version: In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton), is a score of 100 points or more in one visit to the table without missing a shot. This would require, at the very least, potting 25 consecutive balls.
Opinions?
How can we proceed? There is no official list of career century breaks, there is no official list of century breaks per player per season, there is not even a permanently available list of centuries per tournament. On so called reliable sources numbers of career centuries only pop up for Ronnie O'Sullivan and, very occasionally, for a few other top players. So what are our options? We can keep this list with references to sport journalism sources deemed reliable, leading to a very much out-of-date and inconsistent state. We can scrap the the article. Or we can begin the real epic task of listing centuries by season, broken down by tournament, in whatever sub-article division with respective sources. My proposal would be to list centuries by season and player with reference to a main article per season. The main article per season then needs to reference respective sources. And as a summary we can add up the season results to career centuries per player. Käptn Weltall ( talk) 00:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton) is a score of 100 points or more within one visit at the table without missing a shot and requires potting at least 25 consecutive balls. This sentence should be changed to In snooker, a century break (sometimes referred to as a ton) is a score of 100 points or more within one visit at the table without missing a shot and requires potting at least 26 consecutive balls. because 12 x ( 7 + 1 ) + 1 = 97 and this is not century break. The only way to make a century break is to pot colour ball after the 25th ball (which by default is red). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georg.kosh ( talk • contribs) 06:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
I suggest that the total for active players be updated at the end of each season. For instance, Hawkins and Doherty have exceeded the relevant threshold in which they're listed Billsmith60 ( talk) 11:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the "secondary list". Not only was it confusing (why is it secondary?) and mostly duplicate (largely identical to the first list), it also didn't meet WP:RS and had a long standing request for better sources. If there was any good reason to have it in the article, please explain. Renerpho ( talk) 00:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Isn't it time we accepted the reality that the media and WST are using https://znookerinfo.webs.com/100centuries which is currently a blacklisted page on Wikipedia (change z to s if you want to use this link). Chris Turner kept a list ( https://web.archive.org/web/20120531193415/http://www.cajt.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Centuries.htm) which was last updated on 23 October 2011, shortly before his death. Snookerinfo took on Turner's list soon afterwards, see https://web.archive.org/web/20120218065003/http://znookerinfo.webs.com/ from 18 February 2012 which links to Turner's page and says "That was continually updated by Chris Turner who sadly passed away a few weeks ago, So I have decided to continue the century breaks list on my own website in the memory of him as he was the only one to do the century breaks list on the internet and I'm sure many people will still like to keep looking at this." There was a century list from as early as 12 February 2012 https://web.archive.org/web/20120218093259/http://znookerinfo.webs.com/centurybreaks.htm which is clearly Turner's list updated. Later there seemed to have been an idea to publish Turner's seasonal totals but only a few years were ever produced, see https://web.archive.org/web/20140811012846/http://znookerinfo.webs.com/centuriesbyseason.htm which says "First of all, all the totals from the 'up to 1986' page to the '2010-11' page were compiled by the late Chris Turner, so all credit goes to him for his hard work in gathering these totals over the years. All totals from the '2011-12' season were compiled by Alexandria Hassett (@snookerstats147) and all totals since then are compiled by myself and compared with CueTrackers' totals to ensure complete accuracy." Personally I can't see the point in us scouring the internet for specific references when the rest of the world is simply using this list. (I've had to change the url from the blacklisted pages, snookerinfo to znookerinfo) Nigej ( talk) 06:59, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
It's weird to see a list containing only about a third of the reported players to have passed the century of centuries mark. I have a hard time believing that EVEN unreliable lists are so off that reported players with over 250 hits can't be included in a list of those above 100. 2A02:2F0B:B407:BD00:C027:E3F4:FD7C:4983 ( talk) 20:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)