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From the article:
--07:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
From the article:
To add:
who?
where?
That's possibly:
So without further information, this seems to be redundant to Cornelissen and his map/classification. --08:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Which source states that South Gelderish or Kleverlandish is part of Central Dutch?
Heeringa's thesis, chap. 9, p. 231 has the area around Venlo and north of it – which is part of Goossens' Kleverlandish (which extents into western Germany) – as Limburg and not as part of Central Dutch varieties.
Jo Daan is mentioned at
[5]; it has among others "Südholländisch" (as part of the "nördlich-zentralen Dialekte") and "Südgelderländisch" (as part of the "südlich-zentralen Dialekte"). Part of the area of Daan's Südgelderländisch is part of Heeringa's area of Central Dutch varieties. But that doesn't mean that Südgelderländisch is part of Central Dutch:
Hence, Kleverlandish seems similar off-topic like the following sentence from the article:
That's correct, but as stated they aren't Low Franconian, and: they aren't part of Central Dutch. --08:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
From the article:
Stadsfries is wrongly seen as Hollandic. Frisian mixed varieties has Stadsfries together with Amelands, Bildts and Midslands. [1] These dialects have similarities with Frisian. [1] The other dialects in this group in that study are Stellingwerfs. [1] Stellingwerfs is not very close to them. The question cannot be answered whether Stellingwerfs varieties are more related to Frisian or to Low Saxon. [1] Eupen dialect is similarly different from Luxembourgish as from Hollandic. Wenker's original Rhenish fan outside the Netherlands largely has been reduced to regiolects and formal Luxembourgish.
^ a b c d Wilbert (Jan) Heeringa, Chapter 9: Measuring Dutch dialect distances, of the doctor's thesis: Measuring Dialect Pronunciation Differences using Levenshtein Distance, 2004 ( thesis, chapter 9 (PDF))
Pages aren't provided (in fact, originally not even author, title, year were given but only a URL). What's in the source (Heeringa's thesis, ch. 9):
So:
--09:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.40.167 ( talk)
How should they be characterized? To give an example: There is Southwest Limburg on the list, for example. However, can it be rendered as West Limburgish? Sarcelles ( talk) 10:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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From the article:
--07:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
From the article:
To add:
who?
where?
That's possibly:
So without further information, this seems to be redundant to Cornelissen and his map/classification. --08:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Which source states that South Gelderish or Kleverlandish is part of Central Dutch?
Heeringa's thesis, chap. 9, p. 231 has the area around Venlo and north of it – which is part of Goossens' Kleverlandish (which extents into western Germany) – as Limburg and not as part of Central Dutch varieties.
Jo Daan is mentioned at
[5]; it has among others "Südholländisch" (as part of the "nördlich-zentralen Dialekte") and "Südgelderländisch" (as part of the "südlich-zentralen Dialekte"). Part of the area of Daan's Südgelderländisch is part of Heeringa's area of Central Dutch varieties. But that doesn't mean that Südgelderländisch is part of Central Dutch:
Hence, Kleverlandish seems similar off-topic like the following sentence from the article:
That's correct, but as stated they aren't Low Franconian, and: they aren't part of Central Dutch. --08:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
From the article:
Stadsfries is wrongly seen as Hollandic. Frisian mixed varieties has Stadsfries together with Amelands, Bildts and Midslands. [1] These dialects have similarities with Frisian. [1] The other dialects in this group in that study are Stellingwerfs. [1] Stellingwerfs is not very close to them. The question cannot be answered whether Stellingwerfs varieties are more related to Frisian or to Low Saxon. [1] Eupen dialect is similarly different from Luxembourgish as from Hollandic. Wenker's original Rhenish fan outside the Netherlands largely has been reduced to regiolects and formal Luxembourgish.
^ a b c d Wilbert (Jan) Heeringa, Chapter 9: Measuring Dutch dialect distances, of the doctor's thesis: Measuring Dialect Pronunciation Differences using Levenshtein Distance, 2004 ( thesis, chapter 9 (PDF))
Pages aren't provided (in fact, originally not even author, title, year were given but only a URL). What's in the source (Heeringa's thesis, ch. 9):
So:
--09:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.40.167 ( talk)
How should they be characterized? To give an example: There is Southwest Limburg on the list, for example. However, can it be rendered as West Limburgish? Sarcelles ( talk) 10:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)