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Some of the phrasing in this needs to reflect a balanced view. "Mexican authorities felt compelled to provide protection"; "with accompaniment by human rights defenders for protection from police abuse"; "a cross-border coalition of social justice activists, community organizers, faith-based groups, and human rights advocates known as Pueblo Sin Fronteras" - it sounds like this was written by someone close to the organization. - ProhibitOnions (T) 06:21, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Caravans described as an “annual pilgrimage” dating back to 2010. Four citations are given, three of which are secondary sources published from late 2017 to early 2018. The only primary source, Pueblo Sin Fronteras’ website, has a list of previous caravans but the earliest entry is from 2017. Citation [6] and [8] claim caravans since 2010, but [5] says they’ve been doing it for 15 years. Please fix.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.186.235 ( talk • contribs) 00:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
The article states that the migrant caravans are organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras. While they were the ones who organized the first 2018 caravan, the talk page of the Spanish Wikipedia's article about the second 2018 caravan states that they didn't organize the second 2018 caravan. I found an article in Spanish that seems to supports this statement, in which PSF states that while they support another caravan, they do not recommend one at the moment of this writing. I think that it would be important to make the clarification then that PSF organized the first one but is not behind the second one.-- EdgarCabreraFariña ( talk) 11:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Dear All,
Is there an easy way to tranform
this table into an illustration, e.g. a
Minard map?
Thank you in advance!
Yours,
Ciciban (
talk)
12:56, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 12:34, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I’m surprised at how detailed the section on the ongoing caravan is, and I don’t think that level of detail would be fit for this Wikipedia page. I’m wondering if someone could make a separate article for that caravan in particular. Jnlt215 ( talk) 21:53, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
At Chiapas they were made "promises" (of jobs [1]) if they did not go north, later they were offered free bus rides at Veracruz. So they went over the mountains to the Atlantic Coast. The free bus rides ( [2]) were not delivered. Thus they continued to Mexico City and may hitchhike on trains to US border, but through the northern desert. The map from Coronado, Gary (23 December 2016). "Traversing the Rio Suchiate: Between Africa and the U.S., an illicit river crossing in Latin America". Los Angeles Times., implies that the tested route was north along the Pacific Coast, past Acapulco and Mazatlán. This is in the references I cited and the references in Central American migrant caravans by others.
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 16:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 17:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Maybe Guatemala should also be mentioned in the categories - e.g. politics of Guatemala, Guatemala - United States relations, and so on, as this migrant crisis also affects the Central American state in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.91.212.222 ( talk) 08:14, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
The opening needs re-writing due to the recent caravan which dominates the article and yet the opening reads as if it hadn't happened yet. I'll change it shortly. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 13:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
https://it.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulates/rome/sections-offices/dhs/uscis/refugeesasylum/
usembassy.gov states asylum can only be granted within US borders. Politifact elaborates that US embassies do not count as within US borders. Should this be mentioned as a possible influence on the migrant caravans? —97.120.87.4 December 30, 2018
The "border actions" section, that talks about one caravan's attempted entry into the US that was rebuffed at the time, feels incomplete. Does anybody know how the rest of that played out? Did the migrants attempt to rush the border again? Did USA end up processing most of them as refugees? Did they give up and settle in Mexico? Did they return to Central America? If known, we should consider editing that information in. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 06:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I removed this that seemed suspicious and was not particularly about the caravan. Its source was also unreliable. — Paleo Neonate – 07:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
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Some of the phrasing in this needs to reflect a balanced view. "Mexican authorities felt compelled to provide protection"; "with accompaniment by human rights defenders for protection from police abuse"; "a cross-border coalition of social justice activists, community organizers, faith-based groups, and human rights advocates known as Pueblo Sin Fronteras" - it sounds like this was written by someone close to the organization. - ProhibitOnions (T) 06:21, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Caravans described as an “annual pilgrimage” dating back to 2010. Four citations are given, three of which are secondary sources published from late 2017 to early 2018. The only primary source, Pueblo Sin Fronteras’ website, has a list of previous caravans but the earliest entry is from 2017. Citation [6] and [8] claim caravans since 2010, but [5] says they’ve been doing it for 15 years. Please fix.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.186.235 ( talk • contribs) 00:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
The article states that the migrant caravans are organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras. While they were the ones who organized the first 2018 caravan, the talk page of the Spanish Wikipedia's article about the second 2018 caravan states that they didn't organize the second 2018 caravan. I found an article in Spanish that seems to supports this statement, in which PSF states that while they support another caravan, they do not recommend one at the moment of this writing. I think that it would be important to make the clarification then that PSF organized the first one but is not behind the second one.-- EdgarCabreraFariña ( talk) 11:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Dear All,
Is there an easy way to tranform
this table into an illustration, e.g. a
Minard map?
Thank you in advance!
Yours,
Ciciban (
talk)
12:56, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 12:34, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I’m surprised at how detailed the section on the ongoing caravan is, and I don’t think that level of detail would be fit for this Wikipedia page. I’m wondering if someone could make a separate article for that caravan in particular. Jnlt215 ( talk) 21:53, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
At Chiapas they were made "promises" (of jobs [1]) if they did not go north, later they were offered free bus rides at Veracruz. So they went over the mountains to the Atlantic Coast. The free bus rides ( [2]) were not delivered. Thus they continued to Mexico City and may hitchhike on trains to US border, but through the northern desert. The map from Coronado, Gary (23 December 2016). "Traversing the Rio Suchiate: Between Africa and the U.S., an illicit river crossing in Latin America". Los Angeles Times., implies that the tested route was north along the Pacific Coast, past Acapulco and Mazatlán. This is in the references I cited and the references in Central American migrant caravans by others.
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 16:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 17:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Maybe Guatemala should also be mentioned in the categories - e.g. politics of Guatemala, Guatemala - United States relations, and so on, as this migrant crisis also affects the Central American state in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.91.212.222 ( talk) 08:14, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
The opening needs re-writing due to the recent caravan which dominates the article and yet the opening reads as if it hadn't happened yet. I'll change it shortly. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 13:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
https://it.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulates/rome/sections-offices/dhs/uscis/refugeesasylum/
usembassy.gov states asylum can only be granted within US borders. Politifact elaborates that US embassies do not count as within US borders. Should this be mentioned as a possible influence on the migrant caravans? —97.120.87.4 December 30, 2018
The "border actions" section, that talks about one caravan's attempted entry into the US that was rebuffed at the time, feels incomplete. Does anybody know how the rest of that played out? Did the migrants attempt to rush the border again? Did USA end up processing most of them as refugees? Did they give up and settle in Mexico? Did they return to Central America? If known, we should consider editing that information in. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 06:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I removed this that seemed suspicious and was not particularly about the caravan. Its source was also unreliable. — Paleo Neonate – 07:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)