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Its irrelevant to claim Turkish descent just because his father carries Turkish passport. He is a Circassian and tells this without hesitation. If this doesnt mean anything, then brand singer Shakira as a Turkish descent(from Lebanon), brand all the Armenian, Greek diaspora same way. I would like to see face of Elia Kazan if smb told him this(although he probably had some Turkic ancestors). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.236.49.247 ( talk) 15:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, this definitly made my day!!! Just too funny! -- 88.73.18.90 ( talk)
I am not so sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.228.39.56 ( talk) 21:20, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Why is there a need to label someone a Muslim or Islam , seriously who gives a shit if David Beckhams a christian or not?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/11/28/the_fp_top_100_global_thinkers?page=0,45#thinker77 excerpt ...
Reading list: The Prague Cemetery, by Umberto Eco; The Marriage Plot, by Jeffrey Eugenides; The Third Industrial Revolution, by Jeremy Rifkin. "Best idea": A political union toward the United States of Europe. "Worst idea": Throwing Greeks out of the eurozone or getting back the deutsche mark for Germany.
"Polls this fall showed that one in five voters supports the Greens, making it the country's main opposition party." 99.181.130.83 ( talk) 09:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
In 2010, Renate Künast, Cécile Duflot, Monica Frassoni, and Marina Silva were named to the Foreign Policy list<ref>http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/11/29/the_fp_top_100_global_thinkers?page=0,30</ref> for taking [[Green politics|Green]] mainstream.
141.218.36.41 ( talk) 23:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure what a "secular Muslim" is supposed to be. This may be one of the cases where the adjective negates the noun, just like an "abdicated king" or a "retired boxer", or an "unsuccessful candidate", means that the individual is not a king, or boxer, or candidate, any longer but sort of retains certain characteristics of king, or boxer, or candidate, because he spent time being one. Except that "secular Muslim" may mean that he never was a Muslim to begin with, just that his ancestors were and he feels vaguely loyal towards them. Surely this insn't enough to justify the category "German Muslims"? -- dab (𒁳) 11:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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The article has listed [[Islam and secularism|Secular Islam]] for quite a while. It links to Islam and secularism. I understand that some Muslims do not believe in non-practising or secular versions of their faith, but Wikipedia is not a political or religious document. We rely on verifiable information from reliable source and we have a reference that clearly states, "Özdemir is a self-described secular Muslim" ( http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/letter-from-berlin-a-turk-at-the-top-a-584300.html) so I'm not sure what the issue is. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 14:13, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
As you can see above, there is no such religion as "secular Islam" yet the subject has labelled himself as one. The main opposition is that by definition, Islam is a theocracy and the idea that there could be such a thing as "secular Islam" is offensive to many of that faith. My question is, should the infobox display
I believe the sources support option 3 and it was a different editor who added that but several editors don't like that option. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 02:01, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
If I read the summary correctly, it seems that including the word "secular" is not against the source or the incorrect use. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 12:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
User:Frank W. Matisse has replaced the previous photo for the third time ( [1], [2], [3]) without responding to my attempt to contact him and raise a discussion ( [4]). I think, the photo introduced by him shows the subject in a very disadvantageous way (dark shadows under nose and elsewhere, emphasized nose line, viewpoint from below) compared to the previously used portait photo ( [5]). Since a better photo is available (in the older one) and this article is about a living person, we have to take extra care with the contents used here per WP:BLP. Since Frank also replaced the photos in many other articles and did not respond to my comment, I don't know what he is up to. In either case, from a photographer's point of view, I find his photo unsuitable for the article. The previous photo isn't perfect, but at least it does not show the subject in an unfavourable way. -- Matthiaspaul ( talk) 19:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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Its irrelevant to claim Turkish descent just because his father carries Turkish passport. He is a Circassian and tells this without hesitation. If this doesnt mean anything, then brand singer Shakira as a Turkish descent(from Lebanon), brand all the Armenian, Greek diaspora same way. I would like to see face of Elia Kazan if smb told him this(although he probably had some Turkic ancestors). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.236.49.247 ( talk) 15:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, this definitly made my day!!! Just too funny! -- 88.73.18.90 ( talk)
I am not so sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.228.39.56 ( talk) 21:20, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Why is there a need to label someone a Muslim or Islam , seriously who gives a shit if David Beckhams a christian or not?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/11/28/the_fp_top_100_global_thinkers?page=0,45#thinker77 excerpt ...
Reading list: The Prague Cemetery, by Umberto Eco; The Marriage Plot, by Jeffrey Eugenides; The Third Industrial Revolution, by Jeremy Rifkin. "Best idea": A political union toward the United States of Europe. "Worst idea": Throwing Greeks out of the eurozone or getting back the deutsche mark for Germany.
"Polls this fall showed that one in five voters supports the Greens, making it the country's main opposition party." 99.181.130.83 ( talk) 09:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
In 2010, Renate Künast, Cécile Duflot, Monica Frassoni, and Marina Silva were named to the Foreign Policy list<ref>http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/11/29/the_fp_top_100_global_thinkers?page=0,30</ref> for taking [[Green politics|Green]] mainstream.
141.218.36.41 ( talk) 23:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure what a "secular Muslim" is supposed to be. This may be one of the cases where the adjective negates the noun, just like an "abdicated king" or a "retired boxer", or an "unsuccessful candidate", means that the individual is not a king, or boxer, or candidate, any longer but sort of retains certain characteristics of king, or boxer, or candidate, because he spent time being one. Except that "secular Muslim" may mean that he never was a Muslim to begin with, just that his ancestors were and he feels vaguely loyal towards them. Surely this insn't enough to justify the category "German Muslims"? -- dab (𒁳) 11:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The article has listed [[Islam and secularism|Secular Islam]] for quite a while. It links to Islam and secularism. I understand that some Muslims do not believe in non-practising or secular versions of their faith, but Wikipedia is not a political or religious document. We rely on verifiable information from reliable source and we have a reference that clearly states, "Özdemir is a self-described secular Muslim" ( http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/letter-from-berlin-a-turk-at-the-top-a-584300.html) so I'm not sure what the issue is. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 14:13, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
As you can see above, there is no such religion as "secular Islam" yet the subject has labelled himself as one. The main opposition is that by definition, Islam is a theocracy and the idea that there could be such a thing as "secular Islam" is offensive to many of that faith. My question is, should the infobox display
I believe the sources support option 3 and it was a different editor who added that but several editors don't like that option. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 02:01, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
If I read the summary correctly, it seems that including the word "secular" is not against the source or the incorrect use. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 12:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
User:Frank W. Matisse has replaced the previous photo for the third time ( [1], [2], [3]) without responding to my attempt to contact him and raise a discussion ( [4]). I think, the photo introduced by him shows the subject in a very disadvantageous way (dark shadows under nose and elsewhere, emphasized nose line, viewpoint from below) compared to the previously used portait photo ( [5]). Since a better photo is available (in the older one) and this article is about a living person, we have to take extra care with the contents used here per WP:BLP. Since Frank also replaced the photos in many other articles and did not respond to my comment, I don't know what he is up to. In either case, from a photographer's point of view, I find his photo unsuitable for the article. The previous photo isn't perfect, but at least it does not show the subject in an unfavourable way. -- Matthiaspaul ( talk) 19:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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