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Is it not redundant to say "It is performed very frequently, and many recordings exist." and then later on "...regular performances and good recordings of this piece are relatively easy to seek out."? Hapless Hero
I am making quite some changes in this article:
I changed the approx. times to 13/10/11=35, based on the 1937 Casals/Szell recording, which is "something of a 'gold standard' as far as approaches to tempo are concerned". -Dvořák Cello Concerto by Jan Smaczny, Cambridge 1999. DevastatorIIC 11:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I need to look up an appropriate reference for this, but the story I've heard several times is that Dvorak apparently was so impressed when he heard Victor Herbert's 2nd cello concerto when he was in New York (something about the cello cutting through the sound of trombones/low brass without sounding forced) that he was inspired to write his own cello concerto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.245.148 ( talk • contribs)
...find a better use for this source? <ref>{{cite book |title=Dvořák: romantic music's most versatile genius |last=Smaczny |first= Jan |year=2005 |publisher=Hal Leonard Corporation |location=New York | isbn=9781574671070 |page=62 }}. "Few works dominate their genre the way Dvořák's Cello Concerto does. No other concerto for the instrument even comes close in size, expressive depth, melodic richness, and formal perfection. For most cellists it represents Mecca, the Wailing Wall, and the Vatican all rolled into one. Taken along with the Bach Cello Suites, it defines the career of the modern virtuoso. Indeed, it can be said to have played a large role in actually giving legitimacy to the very idea of a solo cellist as a modern virtuoso with a repertoire all his or her own."</ref> I found it irrelevant to where it was used before, and also kind of POVish. Thanks, Ansh666 ( talk) 05:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
This is to acknowledge I made a mistake. The quote was from David Hurwitz, not Jan Smaczny. Still, David Hurwitz' credentials should be more than enough for a general knowledge reference (like Wikipedia) even if they fall short for the Grove dictionary. Willi Gers07 ( talk) 15:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Cello Concerto (Dvořák) is a misleading title. It suggests that Dvořák wrote only one cello concerto, but we know this is not the case (see Cello Concerto in A major (Dvořák)).
It's in the same class as talking about "Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto" or "Bruch's Violin Concerto".
I propose it be moved to Cello Concerto in B minor (Dvořák). -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 00:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move per Septentrionalis, this is clearly the primary meaning, a move would give WP:UNDUEWEIGHT to the unpublished work Salix ( talk): 20:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Cello Concerto (Dvořák) → Cello Concerto in B minor (Dvořák) —
Cello Concerto (Dvořák) is a misleading title. It suggests that Dvořák wrote only one cello concerto, but we know this is not the case (see Cello Concerto in A major (Dvořák)). It's in the same class as talking about "Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto" or "Bruch's Violin Concerto". -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 21:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't normally do this, but I still see a problem. It’s a problem in places like List of compositions for cello and orchestra, where we list both the Dvořák concertos. The issue is that the concertos are never numbered as No. 1 and No. 2, and Wikipedia isn’t the place to arbitrarily assign such numbers to them (even though it could be argued that’s exactly what they are; it could also be argued that the B minor shouldn’t take any number because it was the only one Dvořák finished – which leaves open the question of just how to refer to the one in A major).
In the List article, the early one is probably best called Cello Concerto in A major; and the well-known one can be called Cello Concerto in B minor. That requires a piped link. Easy enough to do, but the question of principle remains. If we accept that the one in A major was a cello concerto by Dvořák (however incomplete he may have left it), then how can it be simultaneously argued that the one in B minor should be named as if it were the only one he wrote? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 04:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
What is the reader to make of the following apparent contradiction?:
~ Alcmaeonid ( talk) 15:32, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
The article at the moment lists 5 "theories." For the first three no references are given but for the third I plan to supply one (Clapham, 1979) that rather clearly supports it. For the fourth and fifth references are given but they seem to be dead links. Marlindale ( talk) 20:27, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
It seems fine to me to delete those numbers. Many recordings of Dvořák pieces are by Czech ensembles, which also is not worth enumerating. Marlindale ( talk) 01:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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Is it not redundant to say "It is performed very frequently, and many recordings exist." and then later on "...regular performances and good recordings of this piece are relatively easy to seek out."? Hapless Hero
I am making quite some changes in this article:
I changed the approx. times to 13/10/11=35, based on the 1937 Casals/Szell recording, which is "something of a 'gold standard' as far as approaches to tempo are concerned". -Dvořák Cello Concerto by Jan Smaczny, Cambridge 1999. DevastatorIIC 11:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I need to look up an appropriate reference for this, but the story I've heard several times is that Dvorak apparently was so impressed when he heard Victor Herbert's 2nd cello concerto when he was in New York (something about the cello cutting through the sound of trombones/low brass without sounding forced) that he was inspired to write his own cello concerto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.245.148 ( talk • contribs)
...find a better use for this source? <ref>{{cite book |title=Dvořák: romantic music's most versatile genius |last=Smaczny |first= Jan |year=2005 |publisher=Hal Leonard Corporation |location=New York | isbn=9781574671070 |page=62 }}. "Few works dominate their genre the way Dvořák's Cello Concerto does. No other concerto for the instrument even comes close in size, expressive depth, melodic richness, and formal perfection. For most cellists it represents Mecca, the Wailing Wall, and the Vatican all rolled into one. Taken along with the Bach Cello Suites, it defines the career of the modern virtuoso. Indeed, it can be said to have played a large role in actually giving legitimacy to the very idea of a solo cellist as a modern virtuoso with a repertoire all his or her own."</ref> I found it irrelevant to where it was used before, and also kind of POVish. Thanks, Ansh666 ( talk) 05:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
This is to acknowledge I made a mistake. The quote was from David Hurwitz, not Jan Smaczny. Still, David Hurwitz' credentials should be more than enough for a general knowledge reference (like Wikipedia) even if they fall short for the Grove dictionary. Willi Gers07 ( talk) 15:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Cello Concerto (Dvořák) is a misleading title. It suggests that Dvořák wrote only one cello concerto, but we know this is not the case (see Cello Concerto in A major (Dvořák)).
It's in the same class as talking about "Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto" or "Bruch's Violin Concerto".
I propose it be moved to Cello Concerto in B minor (Dvořák). -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 00:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move per Septentrionalis, this is clearly the primary meaning, a move would give WP:UNDUEWEIGHT to the unpublished work Salix ( talk): 20:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Cello Concerto (Dvořák) → Cello Concerto in B minor (Dvořák) —
Cello Concerto (Dvořák) is a misleading title. It suggests that Dvořák wrote only one cello concerto, but we know this is not the case (see Cello Concerto in A major (Dvořák)). It's in the same class as talking about "Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto" or "Bruch's Violin Concerto". -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 21:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't normally do this, but I still see a problem. It’s a problem in places like List of compositions for cello and orchestra, where we list both the Dvořák concertos. The issue is that the concertos are never numbered as No. 1 and No. 2, and Wikipedia isn’t the place to arbitrarily assign such numbers to them (even though it could be argued that’s exactly what they are; it could also be argued that the B minor shouldn’t take any number because it was the only one Dvořák finished – which leaves open the question of just how to refer to the one in A major).
In the List article, the early one is probably best called Cello Concerto in A major; and the well-known one can be called Cello Concerto in B minor. That requires a piped link. Easy enough to do, but the question of principle remains. If we accept that the one in A major was a cello concerto by Dvořák (however incomplete he may have left it), then how can it be simultaneously argued that the one in B minor should be named as if it were the only one he wrote? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 04:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
What is the reader to make of the following apparent contradiction?:
~ Alcmaeonid ( talk) 15:32, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
The article at the moment lists 5 "theories." For the first three no references are given but for the third I plan to supply one (Clapham, 1979) that rather clearly supports it. For the fourth and fifth references are given but they seem to be dead links. Marlindale ( talk) 20:27, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
It seems fine to me to delete those numbers. Many recordings of Dvořák pieces are by Czech ensembles, which also is not worth enumerating. Marlindale ( talk) 01:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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