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I will begin merging Cavendish into Dwarf Cavendish soon. They are synonymous as evidenced by its accepted name.
Other types of AAA group bananas, should also get their own articles, not share this one. That includes Giant Cavendish. There is no specific cultivar called 'Cavendish', it is a generic term used in western nations to refer to AAA group cultivars (including Gros Michel bananas) and even the AA group cultivar Lacatan.-- OBSIDIAN† SOUL 13:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Guys, the stages are not mentioned anywhere, but there is a sudden reference that the bananas are sold around stages 3-4?? — Preceding
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There should be a banana article by cultivar subgrouping. bananas are most similar to each other by this grouping. that way any cultivar of the the popular true plantains can be distinguished from any banana of the cavendish group. These two are the most popular classifications available in most markets. This article is about Dwarf Cavendish bananas and the title should also reflect that. Cavendish occupies cultivars under it.
The distinctions between banana types has been complicated and dividing the groupings by cultivar subgroups is the easiest and clearest way to define them. Sidelight 12 Talk 00:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
I oppose the split. I was the previous merger under my old username. And I initiated it because the old article erroneously treated "Cavendish" as a distinct cultivar from 'Dwarf Cavendish'. Which is what this article is doing again after splitting, regardless of the fact that all of the descriptions here actually pertain to 'Dwarf Cavendish' (the height of 6 – 8 ft should be enough clue). And that is simply wrong.
"Cavendish" is the colloquial name for the fruit of what is formally known as the 'Dwarf Cavendish' cultivar (all other members of the subgroup are usually known by more specific/market names, e.g. 'Grand Nain' is known as "Chiquita bananas"). Because no, there are no 'Regular-size Cavendish' cultivars. The 'Dwarf Cavendish' IS the original source and the namesake of the Cavendish bananas. It was the original cultivar named after Lord Cavendish, and is the first of the subgroup to be described (as Musa cavendishii).
While I agree that it is often used to refer to other members of the Cavendish subgroup (usually as "Cavendish bananas", "Cavendish cultivars", or "Cavendish type"), the subgroup itself derived its name from the 'Dwarf Cavendish' cultivar. Not the other way around. It's a common enough practice for cultivar subgroups to be named after the most popular cultivar under them. The previous version of the article dealt with this by stating that 'Cavendish' was also used as a name for the larger subgroup.
Also regarding a list of cultivar subgroups, there is. And it's far more complex than simply distinguishing "true plantains" from Cavendish bananas. See List of banana cultivars. I propose that instead of further confusing the names: anything which in context refers to the subgroup (including Cavendish subgroup) be redirected to List of banana cultivars#AAA Group; this page should be returned to its previous state or else moved in its entirety to the Dwarf Cavendish title if necessary. Hatnotes or disambiguation pages would take care of the rest.-- OBSIDIAN† SOUL 13:40, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
This page was recently restored from a redirect to Cavendish banana subgroup and tagged with a merge. Given discussions above, maybe it would be best to turn this into a disambiguation page for the subgroup and Dwarf Cavendish banana? Plantdrew ( talk) 02:37, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
The small florets of the banana, like the bananas themselves, point up rather than down toward the ground. The photo is upside down, but I do not know how to change it. Wikineer ( talk) 02:52, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 08:15, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Cavendish bananas →
Cavendish banana – Per
WP:SINGULAR. It is not uncommon to encounter a single Cavendish banana. They grow in bunches, but so does the
Grape. There may be multiple cultivars within the Cavendish subgroup, but there are also multiple types of
Grape. The opening sentence can say
"A Cavendish banana is the fruit of a
banana
cultivar belonging to the Cavendish subgroup of the
AAA cultivar group." —
BarrelProof (
talk) 00:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
A report on BBC News claims that the Cavendish Banana was developed from a specimen which originated in Mauritius. This would seem to be an important point for this article. If anyone has any corroboration or reasons to doubt, please post. Otherwise I will add the information. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35131751?post_id=1391329307862200_1540380699623726#_=_ Surfingus ([[User talk:Surfingus|talk) 19:30, 24 January 2016
"Because cultivated bananas are propagated by conventional vegetative reproduction rather than through sexual reproduction, each of the Cavendish clones are genetically identical and cannot evolve disease resistance." That is just plain wrong biology. Somatic mutation by single-nucleotide polymorphisms occur all the time, that is how we have sub-cultivars of the Cavendish banana. In botany the part of the plant with the morphological mutation is called a sport. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 18:17, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
"As there is currently no effective fungicide against Panama disease, some have speculated who? about a future where Cavendish cultivars are not usable for farming. In such a scenario, a separate cultivar may be developed as a replacement (as happened with the Gros Michel)."
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is possible using root and shoot tissius (embryonic tissue). See https://scitechdaily.com/new-grafting-technique-could-combat-panama-disease-threatening-bananas-across-the-world/
Worth to mention in the article? -- Ernsts ( talk) 11:42, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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I will begin merging Cavendish into Dwarf Cavendish soon. They are synonymous as evidenced by its accepted name.
Other types of AAA group bananas, should also get their own articles, not share this one. That includes Giant Cavendish. There is no specific cultivar called 'Cavendish', it is a generic term used in western nations to refer to AAA group cultivars (including Gros Michel bananas) and even the AA group cultivar Lacatan.-- OBSIDIAN† SOUL 13:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Guys, the stages are not mentioned anywhere, but there is a sudden reference that the bananas are sold around stages 3-4?? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
117.192.18.109 (
talk) 18:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
There should be a banana article by cultivar subgrouping. bananas are most similar to each other by this grouping. that way any cultivar of the the popular true plantains can be distinguished from any banana of the cavendish group. These two are the most popular classifications available in most markets. This article is about Dwarf Cavendish bananas and the title should also reflect that. Cavendish occupies cultivars under it.
The distinctions between banana types has been complicated and dividing the groupings by cultivar subgroups is the easiest and clearest way to define them. Sidelight 12 Talk 00:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
I oppose the split. I was the previous merger under my old username. And I initiated it because the old article erroneously treated "Cavendish" as a distinct cultivar from 'Dwarf Cavendish'. Which is what this article is doing again after splitting, regardless of the fact that all of the descriptions here actually pertain to 'Dwarf Cavendish' (the height of 6 – 8 ft should be enough clue). And that is simply wrong.
"Cavendish" is the colloquial name for the fruit of what is formally known as the 'Dwarf Cavendish' cultivar (all other members of the subgroup are usually known by more specific/market names, e.g. 'Grand Nain' is known as "Chiquita bananas"). Because no, there are no 'Regular-size Cavendish' cultivars. The 'Dwarf Cavendish' IS the original source and the namesake of the Cavendish bananas. It was the original cultivar named after Lord Cavendish, and is the first of the subgroup to be described (as Musa cavendishii).
While I agree that it is often used to refer to other members of the Cavendish subgroup (usually as "Cavendish bananas", "Cavendish cultivars", or "Cavendish type"), the subgroup itself derived its name from the 'Dwarf Cavendish' cultivar. Not the other way around. It's a common enough practice for cultivar subgroups to be named after the most popular cultivar under them. The previous version of the article dealt with this by stating that 'Cavendish' was also used as a name for the larger subgroup.
Also regarding a list of cultivar subgroups, there is. And it's far more complex than simply distinguishing "true plantains" from Cavendish bananas. See List of banana cultivars. I propose that instead of further confusing the names: anything which in context refers to the subgroup (including Cavendish subgroup) be redirected to List of banana cultivars#AAA Group; this page should be returned to its previous state or else moved in its entirety to the Dwarf Cavendish title if necessary. Hatnotes or disambiguation pages would take care of the rest.-- OBSIDIAN† SOUL 13:40, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
This page was recently restored from a redirect to Cavendish banana subgroup and tagged with a merge. Given discussions above, maybe it would be best to turn this into a disambiguation page for the subgroup and Dwarf Cavendish banana? Plantdrew ( talk) 02:37, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
The small florets of the banana, like the bananas themselves, point up rather than down toward the ground. The photo is upside down, but I do not know how to change it. Wikineer ( talk) 02:52, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 08:15, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Cavendish bananas →
Cavendish banana – Per
WP:SINGULAR. It is not uncommon to encounter a single Cavendish banana. They grow in bunches, but so does the
Grape. There may be multiple cultivars within the Cavendish subgroup, but there are also multiple types of
Grape. The opening sentence can say
"A Cavendish banana is the fruit of a
banana
cultivar belonging to the Cavendish subgroup of the
AAA cultivar group." —
BarrelProof (
talk) 00:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
A report on BBC News claims that the Cavendish Banana was developed from a specimen which originated in Mauritius. This would seem to be an important point for this article. If anyone has any corroboration or reasons to doubt, please post. Otherwise I will add the information. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35131751?post_id=1391329307862200_1540380699623726#_=_ Surfingus ([[User talk:Surfingus|talk) 19:30, 24 January 2016
"Because cultivated bananas are propagated by conventional vegetative reproduction rather than through sexual reproduction, each of the Cavendish clones are genetically identical and cannot evolve disease resistance." That is just plain wrong biology. Somatic mutation by single-nucleotide polymorphisms occur all the time, that is how we have sub-cultivars of the Cavendish banana. In botany the part of the plant with the morphological mutation is called a sport. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 18:17, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
"As there is currently no effective fungicide against Panama disease, some have speculated who? about a future where Cavendish cultivars are not usable for farming. In such a scenario, a separate cultivar may be developed as a replacement (as happened with the Gros Michel)."
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is possible using root and shoot tissius (embryonic tissue). See https://scitechdaily.com/new-grafting-technique-could-combat-panama-disease-threatening-bananas-across-the-world/
Worth to mention in the article? -- Ernsts ( talk) 11:42, 28 December 2021 (UTC)