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described the great jealousy with which the Muslims guard the sanctuary
Please change "guard" to "guarded", because this is speaking of events 160 years ago. Obviously the control situation described here was long ago replaced by what's described in the "Israeli control" section. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 05:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
situated 30 kilometres (19 mi) south of Jerusalem in the heart of the Old City of Hebron in the West Bank
Is there some particular significance to the precise sequence of words here? In general, we put a broader country location earlier in the introduction sentence, and while NPOV and the political issue makes it harder with this topic, we could still do better.
situated in the heart of the Old City of Hebron in the West Bank, 30 kilometres (19 mi) south of Jerusalem
Wouldn't this be better? The primary reason for mentioning Jerusalem is to give a vague sense of its location to readers who are poorly aware of the region's geography, but it's not critical. The critical bit — where it's located, both specifically (Hebron) and regionally (West Bank) — ought to go before the vague-sense bit. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 05:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Last sentence in first paragraph makes a note regarding the historicity of the patriarchal narratives. Similar comments are made in other related entries. Concern is with the word "most". The language leads the reader to believe that a comprehensive survey of Historians was performed and the conclusion is that at least 51% of them hold this opinion.
Propose changing this word to "many," where the citations are some of those historians who support this view.
Even better would be a brief section (or link) to a survey of academic views regarding the historicity of the patriarchs and the patriarchal narratives. Trawls-nit ( talk) 17:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a spelling mistake in the mention of the "pilgrim of Bordeaux". Bordeaux is wrongly spelled "Bordaux". 1899Vic ( talk) 16:37, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, it references most historians dismiss as mythology. But the statement is subjectively untrue. The word most should be changed to some as this would be more accurate. Digimes ( talk) 16:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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17:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Including a sentence that alludes to the fact that most historians believe Abraham, Isaac and Jacob being mythological seems unnecessary, given that adherents of the Abrahamic faiths believe them not to be historical. 87.208.30.220 ( talk) 11:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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I am requesting that the statement made,”most historians believe the story of Abraham, Isaac, and and Jacob is mythological,” be remove from this page. The statement is inaccurate conjecture based on someone’s opinion and personal religious beliefs. I hold a Masters in Divinity from Liberty University and have never heard a credible scholar argue the historical authenticity of the patriarchal accounts. 2601:582:8500:2370:59EB:AAA6:2680:1119 ( talk) 09:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Are there any actual historical documents that show that the Cave was forbidden to Jews for 700 years and that was actually enforced? I've seen other examples of purported rules that are contradicted by historical sources, and this one seems to be supported only by popular tales. Mcdruid ( talk) 00:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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In this phrase:
described the great jealousy with which the Muslims guard the sanctuary
Please change "guard" to "guarded", because this is speaking of events 160 years ago. Obviously the control situation described here was long ago replaced by what's described in the "Israeli control" section. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 05:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
situated 30 kilometres (19 mi) south of Jerusalem in the heart of the Old City of Hebron in the West Bank
Is there some particular significance to the precise sequence of words here? In general, we put a broader country location earlier in the introduction sentence, and while NPOV and the political issue makes it harder with this topic, we could still do better.
situated in the heart of the Old City of Hebron in the West Bank, 30 kilometres (19 mi) south of Jerusalem
Wouldn't this be better? The primary reason for mentioning Jerusalem is to give a vague sense of its location to readers who are poorly aware of the region's geography, but it's not critical. The critical bit — where it's located, both specifically (Hebron) and regionally (West Bank) — ought to go before the vague-sense bit. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 05:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Last sentence in first paragraph makes a note regarding the historicity of the patriarchal narratives. Similar comments are made in other related entries. Concern is with the word "most". The language leads the reader to believe that a comprehensive survey of Historians was performed and the conclusion is that at least 51% of them hold this opinion.
Propose changing this word to "many," where the citations are some of those historians who support this view.
Even better would be a brief section (or link) to a survey of academic views regarding the historicity of the patriarchs and the patriarchal narratives. Trawls-nit ( talk) 17:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a spelling mistake in the mention of the "pilgrim of Bordeaux". Bordeaux is wrongly spelled "Bordaux". 1899Vic ( talk) 16:37, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, it references most historians dismiss as mythology. But the statement is subjectively untrue. The word most should be changed to some as this would be more accurate. Digimes ( talk) 16:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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M.Bitton (
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17:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Including a sentence that alludes to the fact that most historians believe Abraham, Isaac and Jacob being mythological seems unnecessary, given that adherents of the Abrahamic faiths believe them not to be historical. 87.208.30.220 ( talk) 11:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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I am requesting that the statement made,”most historians believe the story of Abraham, Isaac, and and Jacob is mythological,” be remove from this page. The statement is inaccurate conjecture based on someone’s opinion and personal religious beliefs. I hold a Masters in Divinity from Liberty University and have never heard a credible scholar argue the historical authenticity of the patriarchal accounts. 2601:582:8500:2370:59EB:AAA6:2680:1119 ( talk) 09:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Are there any actual historical documents that show that the Cave was forbidden to Jews for 700 years and that was actually enforced? I've seen other examples of purported rules that are contradicted by historical sources, and this one seems to be supported only by popular tales. Mcdruid ( talk) 00:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)