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Can someone please quantify the viscosity of this product? As one who was once forced to take it, the "vomiting" mentioned in this article may refer to the uncontrollable gag reflex induced by swallowing what cannot be described as a liquid in the usual sense. It is somewhere between warm Vaseline and mucus in consistency, in that it only goes down in a nauseating wad. In New England at least, a teaspoon was long considered part of spring cleaning, probably the source of so many cartoons in the U.S. It is vile enough to be considered a form of torture long before the diarrhea begins, and a rather creative one on the part of Italy's fascists. 24.7.123.231 ( talk) 21:38, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Castoroil101, you obviously feel very strongly about this topic. Please don't take the following comments as attacks on you or the article, they are meant to improve the encyclopediac quality of the article. Changes in the article show up verbatim on http://www.kristinasoil.com in response to comments or changes made in Wikipedia. This leads me to suspect that you are closely involved with Kristina's Oil, a commercial venture selling castor oil and castor beans. Labeling anything negative about castor oil as "propaganda" shows bias. Wikipedia:Manual of Style and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view are useful guides. Silverchemist 05:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
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I have added three references to the section about the castor oil in Fascist Italy. Please remove the tag asking for references. Silverchemist 05:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The Silverchemist stated above “changes in the article show up verbatim on http://www.kristinasoil.com in response to comments or changes made in Wikipedia. This leads me to suspect that you are closely involved with Kristina’s Oil, a commercial venture selling castor oil and castor seeds.” It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look at the top of this page to see that “The content of this article has been derived in whole or part from http://www.kristinasoil.com/fyi/html.“
Is the word propaganda taboo on Wikipedia? I have read many articles about Castor oil online and many of them simply contain false or misinformation (propaganda) on Castor oil. If I didn’t contribute something to the Wikipedia Castor Oil topic, it would still contain more propaganda than facts. At least the Castor oil facts I reference have verifiable and reliable scientific research or Government References to back them. The Silverchemist needs to remove the tag on “Industrial Castor Oil.”
In my opinion, Wikipedia should stand for factual information on “some topic.” Whether its “Pro or Anti-some topic” is irrelevant when it comes to facts, just verifiable and reliable facts are relevant -- no propaganda allowed!
The Silverchemist seems hypocritical, because the Silverchemist pretends to be neutral on this subject, and then manipulates the “Wikipedia: Manual of Style” as though it were a shield from hypocrisy for some agenda. The Silverchemist challenges, twists, and disregards pro-castor oil facts with prior words. Yet, by the Silverchemists own words in the last sentence above, “I have added three references to the section about the castor oil in Fascist Italy. Please remove the tag asking for references”, the Silverchemist clearly shows a lack of neutrality by supporting this section.
I invite any Wikipedian with any sense of neutrality to read that section (Castor oil as a tool of political terror -- that the Silverchemist edits), and not view it as pure anti-castor oil propaganda?
If any statement, from any source, of verifiable and reliable fact creates a conflict of interest for Wikipedia, then Wikipedia is destined to become an encyclopedia of propaganda – not reliable information. Castoroil101 18:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC).
If you think “Time magazine and someone’s biography” are verifiable and reliable factual references, then you have no business writing on Wikipedia.
You are WRONG about Castor oil. You will never have a clue what it is with your attitude and you will never be an authority on Castor oil, unless you back your data with verifiable and reliable references. You, Silverchemist, use “tools” to to justify propaganda for your agenda and you can stop trying to deny it because it's obvious. Now you intimidate me with the “Wikipedia: Requests for comment”. What will become of Wikipedia when all Wikipedians think like you? Now, that’s something to be concerned about – The Encyclopedia of Propaganda. Castoroil101 17:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC).
Also, your detective work Silverchemist/Sherlock made this article personal; so don’t try to shift the cause.
Again, the data I input on Wkipedia is based on hard facts that you choose to disregard and those hard facts are based on verifiable and reliable scientific research and government references.
Now, if you really were a so-called “chemist for over thirty years” (which I doubt), you would know the difference between hard facts and fiction [E. B., Time, and Biographies (a press prints what they’re told to print)]. Then again, perhaps you were one of those who spent years on the job and as the saying goes, “years on the job does not prove experience.”
With regard to bias, you have shown you cannot write without it. The data you input contains misinformation (propaganda), and no hard facts. The real reason for your bias is unknown, at this time: however, it may surface with your Diatribe. Castoroil101 18:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC).
I've tagged the page as a copyright problem because significant portions of the text are verbatum copies from the page cited in the tag. It is entirely possible that the site listed copied them from a source we can copy from, but the article cites the pilfered site as the source. At the very least, we need a better source than some site pitching castor oil as the cure for all of the ills of the world. Mdbrownmsw 18:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
You say it's a copyright violation, were you violated? Your entry above shows you don't like Castor oil. If you don't like a topic, then why even bother to be a Wikipedia critic on it? What's your motivation and what do you have against Castor oil? You could never be an expert on the topic because you don't like it. "Encyclopedia content must be verifiable" and most of the sources come from the U. S. Federal Government. Is there a better source for facts than the Federal Government? FYI, the Castor oil plant was put on this earth for a reason, to help people, just like all the other plants on this earth and humans need plants more than plants need humans. Sooner or later you will come to realize that plants are special simply because they help people and should be respected, not ridiculed. Until then, you can disregard and negate facts about beneficial plants all your life. But one thing is undeniable: plants are part of the natural world just like all living matter including the supreme human beings and all living matter will eventually return to the natural world because nature rules in the end. Castoroil101 09:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Your argument makes no sense, Castoroil101. Even if Mdbrownmsw has an agenda such as better sourcing, the fact remains that the information was copied verbatim in significant portions. It does not matter if Mdbrownmsw was violated; it appears that someone else's copyright has been. Shadowin 16:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Shadowin for your input and you do make sense based on the information available to you. Copyright permission was granted today. It seems fair in the future to give copyright violation warnings prior to a page being tagged as a copyright violation. Also, can I have my deleted user page Castoroil101 back so we can communicate in another arena. Good Day Castoroil101 19:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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I'm suggesting removing the section "Castor oil as a tool of political terror" inserted on 1/19/2007 by the administrator User:Infrogmation. The section does not provide credible references according to Taxman (above) and Castoroil101. The section does not merit mention according to Timothy Chen Allen (above) and according to Castoroil101 the section is utter non-sense as any encyclopedic product page could have a section "used as a tool of political terror," including water. Does an encyclopedia really need every product page to have a "used as a tool of political terror?" For example; shall I go to the gasoline page and insert a section that states gasoline was used by Hitler as a tool of political terror? Is this useful information for an encylopedia? Not at all, so this section must be removed. Castoroil101 23:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
Would you mind if I remove the "old talk" garbage on this page. Castoroil101 00:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
According to the dictionary, castor oil isn't a proper noun, so it should only be capitalized at the beginning of sentences or when used as a subject heading. A really fun project is going to be going through and changing all of those capitals in sentences. If we do it one section at a time, it shouldn't be too bad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jwit ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
The writter wrote that caster oil is an eye irritant but, I put Cold Pressed and Cold Processed Caster Oil in my eyes all the time. It's an old Ayurvedic remedy for dry eyes. "The simplest and best remedy for iritated eyes. Put a single drop of pure, genuine caster oil (without preservatives) into your eyes at bedtime."("The complete Book of Ayurvedic Home Remedies".Vasant D. Lad, B.A.M.S., M.A.Sc..Copyright 1998 by Vasant Lad, M.A.Sc.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DaBOB ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
This section needs some references other than http://www.kristinasoil.com/fyi.html. If you look for the references to the "over a thousand patents", you get a link to a link to a link to a presentation which has one line (out of 27 pages) in it about patents. Claiming that castor oil provides superior lubrication compared to petroleum-based materials needs several authoritative references since this claim is so sweeping. Silverchemist 17:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
While the use described is clearly one of torture and coercion, terrorism is something of a blanket term which should, in general, be replaced by possible with something more specific. "Use in fascist Italy" seems a more instructive title. 71.193.188.203 23:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I am Italian and I disagree with the opinion expressed in the article that even nowadays expressions such as "usare l'olio di ricino" or "usare il manganello" may be tricky. They certainly remind of the fascist era, but have no negative connotations.-- Ithunn ( talk) 10:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I reverted an edit that altered the sentence: Today, the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recognizes castor oil as generally recognized as safe and effective (GRASE) for over-the-counter use as a laxative to: Today, castor oil is generally recognized as safe and effective (GRASE) as a laxative by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)...
"generally recognized as safe and effective" is an FDA categorization as indicated by the acronym GRASE, which is used in many FDA publications. I agree that the proposed wording would read better if "generally recognized as safe and effective" was an ordinary phrase. But it has special meaning at the FDA and should not be broken up. Any rewording should keep it as a unitary phrase.
I might take a stab at rewording it myself. I agree it's fairly ugly as it stands. -- Terry Carroll 15:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I started cleaning up that "GRASE" sentence and got carried away and ended up copy-editing that entire section. It would be great if someone with deep expertise would review this and clean up the things I couldn't. I've indicated a few that stood out to me in <!--comments-->. -- Terry Carroll 16:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm deleting the reference to the Agricultural Materials Act of 1984. It's incorrect. The cite relied on for this -- http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-380.html -- reads as follows:
The author cited probably meant the "Critical Agricultural Materials Act," Pub. L. 98-284, May 16, 1984. I have a copy of this statute in front of me. It's only five pages long, and there is no mention whatsoever of castor oil. -- Terry Carroll 00:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there room for a section Castor oil in popular culture? My kids were watching Mary Poppins (film), and the children sing, among the requirements for a new babysitter, that she should not give them Castor oil :-)))))) Albmont 18:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Castor Oil is also referenced in many cartoons of the 40's to 50's - mainly as a form of punishment. Some mention should be made here, yes? --
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It should be here, I agree. It is used as a form of punishment in the media, but when my mom was younger it was the equivalent of stool softener. Angie Y. ( talk) 23:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
This should definitely be discussed in the article. Watching Walt Disney cartoons from the 30s-50s, one gets the sense that at that period, it was common to give children a spoon of Castor Oil every day, and that children hated it. It doesn't look like a form of punishment, but rather something which was supposed to be important, just like brushing your teeth. Was this indeed true (outside of films)? If so, what was its supposed health benefits of Castor Oil to children? Is there any truth is these benefits, or were they later refuted? (children today don't normally take Castor Oil). Why were these benefits attributed to castor oil, and not other types of oils? Nyh ( talk) 20:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
This thread is good, I totally agree it should be added, and it's been waiting since 2007!!! Need a couple of good sources... hilariously, the first result of my search query for "castro oil in popular culture" was this very talk page. How's that for public discourse in appropriate location?! Good stuff... some links:
Any references in perhaps the folklore or popular culture literature? Mattsenate ( talk) 17:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Was the point in returning the citations about the HIT lesions treated with a topical product in order to have an online link, in order to show that it was efficaious, or something else entirely that I shouldn't assume? If we need an online link an article with the results of a clinical trial, rather than a case study might make its use sound more conclusive. Also the product information from the manufacturerer is helpful in clearly stating that castor oil is an active ingredient and the use and could replace both citations. ( http://www.healthpoint.com/divisions/tm/prodXenaderm.cfm) -- Jwit 19:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
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The article says that the molecular weight of castor oil is 298 daltons. This is the weight of ricinoleic acid, not the triglyceride, which weighs about three times that, plus the weight of the glycerin molecule. So in reality it averages around 986 daltons. I'm gonna edit the article, since there shouldn't be any debate about this. 71.192.191.207 ( talk) 20:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I didn't find a ref to the molecular mass in the article at all 28MAR2013. It references it being 'low' but doesn't say what it is. Thanks for the info above -- should be in the article. Palyne ( talk) 20:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC) palyne
In the the article natron it is said that egyptian artists mixed natron and castor oil to provide a lamp without smoke. Should that be mentioned here too? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. ( talk) 15:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the density is given in kilograms times cubic millimeters (kg * m−3)? I am altering it to read the conventional, much more intuitively described unit, kilograms per cubic meter (kg/m3). -- Zen Swashbuckler -- ( talk) 21:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
it seems to have been quite neglected really whats this? "In south Egypt, women use a dose of full large spoon of castor oil to prevent pregnancy for one year." well? does it work? why is their no citation or even a [citation needed] for that matter? and thats just one example but its 2:25 am here and i am going on to bed i would try to fix it myself but i don't quite understand html and i would probably mess up the page somehow i dont even know if i am doing this correctly i hope i got it right -- 96.15.15.132 ( talk) 08:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
How was it used? By ingestion, one spoonful a day? Please provide reference!-- Ithunn ( talk) 10:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
It is stated that it is sulphonated castor oil (true as far as I know) then that it is made from pure Jatropha oil which is another vegetable oil. Although this may be a working alternative the formulation is very strange. No specific details on the use and function of Turkish red oil is given. As I have understood it the Turkish is used for making mordant bind to cellulose fibres like cotton so that they can be dyed with dyes forming lakes, typically the red madder dyes. Often the cloth was pattern-printed with the oil to makes calicots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.227.15.253 ( talk) 09:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states, 'Castor oil (CAS number 8001-79-4) is a colorless to very pale yellow liquid with mild or no odor or taste.' This is so contrary to general experience as to require correction. Castor oil is famously foul-tasting, and the smell is nauseating to many. A physician I know recommends preparing a glass of lime or lemon juice to be taken immediately after the oil, with the nose being held throughout the process. See this link for an example of reputation:
http://www.thrillmer.com/comics/profkindly360621.jpg
Spicemix ( talk) 12:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
If it was used for torture and intimidation in fascist Italy, then it must taste horrible. I agree with the person who posted this comment. Castor Oil is famous for its taste, so to claim it has none, with no further explanation about why people in the 30's and 40's were scared to death of drinking it, is pretty anti-informative. 24.190.213.174 ( talk) 17:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
There few website that seems to do spammy activities on wikipedia. What is the way to check that website links are spammy and how can I help wiki in blocking those? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hairreview ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I've moved these here so they don't disrupt the flow of the page's top. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:34, 28 October 2013 (UTC) There is a dangerous statement "Also, by applying castor oil, the food becomes easy to digest". Will the creator of this article pl remove that line in section As food grain preservative Kalpak ( talk) 13:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)kalpak
The first line in the article mentions extraction from a beaver's groin.. The bad english, lack of supporting facts, and the fact that it doesn't connect at all with the rest of the entry implies to me that this page was vandalized. If it is a correct entry, then it needs to be updated.
Also, one addition if someone could do the research -- supposedly castor oil can be used to remove Skin Tags. Perhaps a mention, plus any research you find.
G. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.179.180.71 ( talk) 11:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I found the wording of this section of the article confusing:
"In lesser quantities, castor oil was also used as an instrument of intimidation, for example, to discourage civilians or soldiers who would call in sick either in the factory or in the military. Since its healing properties were widely exaggerated, abuse could be easily masked under pretense of a doctor's prescription."
How did the intimidation occur? Is this to say that workers who called in sick were somehow forced to obtain a prescription to castor oil and prove to their employers that they had consumed it? That seems pretty implausible.
Just hoping to clarify that section so others aren't as stumped as I am. I would try to reword it myself, but I don't know enough about the facts to get it right.
-- 134.134.137.71 ( talk) 20:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
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Earlier discussion moved to:
This archive has been moved to Talk:Castor oil/Archive 1 and is now listed on the archive box. - - MrBill3 ( talk) 14:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The second half of this sentence needs fixing: "The average functionality (number of hydroxyl groups per triglyceride molecule) of castor oil is 2.7, so it is widely used as rigid polyol and coating." - Dough34 ( talk) 18:29, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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Can someone please quantify the viscosity of this product? As one who was once forced to take it, the "vomiting" mentioned in this article may refer to the uncontrollable gag reflex induced by swallowing what cannot be described as a liquid in the usual sense. It is somewhere between warm Vaseline and mucus in consistency, in that it only goes down in a nauseating wad. In New England at least, a teaspoon was long considered part of spring cleaning, probably the source of so many cartoons in the U.S. It is vile enough to be considered a form of torture long before the diarrhea begins, and a rather creative one on the part of Italy's fascists. 24.7.123.231 ( talk) 21:38, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Castoroil101, you obviously feel very strongly about this topic. Please don't take the following comments as attacks on you or the article, they are meant to improve the encyclopediac quality of the article. Changes in the article show up verbatim on http://www.kristinasoil.com in response to comments or changes made in Wikipedia. This leads me to suspect that you are closely involved with Kristina's Oil, a commercial venture selling castor oil and castor beans. Labeling anything negative about castor oil as "propaganda" shows bias. Wikipedia:Manual of Style and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view are useful guides. Silverchemist 05:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
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I have added three references to the section about the castor oil in Fascist Italy. Please remove the tag asking for references. Silverchemist 05:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The Silverchemist stated above “changes in the article show up verbatim on http://www.kristinasoil.com in response to comments or changes made in Wikipedia. This leads me to suspect that you are closely involved with Kristina’s Oil, a commercial venture selling castor oil and castor seeds.” It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look at the top of this page to see that “The content of this article has been derived in whole or part from http://www.kristinasoil.com/fyi/html.“
Is the word propaganda taboo on Wikipedia? I have read many articles about Castor oil online and many of them simply contain false or misinformation (propaganda) on Castor oil. If I didn’t contribute something to the Wikipedia Castor Oil topic, it would still contain more propaganda than facts. At least the Castor oil facts I reference have verifiable and reliable scientific research or Government References to back them. The Silverchemist needs to remove the tag on “Industrial Castor Oil.”
In my opinion, Wikipedia should stand for factual information on “some topic.” Whether its “Pro or Anti-some topic” is irrelevant when it comes to facts, just verifiable and reliable facts are relevant -- no propaganda allowed!
The Silverchemist seems hypocritical, because the Silverchemist pretends to be neutral on this subject, and then manipulates the “Wikipedia: Manual of Style” as though it were a shield from hypocrisy for some agenda. The Silverchemist challenges, twists, and disregards pro-castor oil facts with prior words. Yet, by the Silverchemists own words in the last sentence above, “I have added three references to the section about the castor oil in Fascist Italy. Please remove the tag asking for references”, the Silverchemist clearly shows a lack of neutrality by supporting this section.
I invite any Wikipedian with any sense of neutrality to read that section (Castor oil as a tool of political terror -- that the Silverchemist edits), and not view it as pure anti-castor oil propaganda?
If any statement, from any source, of verifiable and reliable fact creates a conflict of interest for Wikipedia, then Wikipedia is destined to become an encyclopedia of propaganda – not reliable information. Castoroil101 18:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC).
If you think “Time magazine and someone’s biography” are verifiable and reliable factual references, then you have no business writing on Wikipedia.
You are WRONG about Castor oil. You will never have a clue what it is with your attitude and you will never be an authority on Castor oil, unless you back your data with verifiable and reliable references. You, Silverchemist, use “tools” to to justify propaganda for your agenda and you can stop trying to deny it because it's obvious. Now you intimidate me with the “Wikipedia: Requests for comment”. What will become of Wikipedia when all Wikipedians think like you? Now, that’s something to be concerned about – The Encyclopedia of Propaganda. Castoroil101 17:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC).
Also, your detective work Silverchemist/Sherlock made this article personal; so don’t try to shift the cause.
Again, the data I input on Wkipedia is based on hard facts that you choose to disregard and those hard facts are based on verifiable and reliable scientific research and government references.
Now, if you really were a so-called “chemist for over thirty years” (which I doubt), you would know the difference between hard facts and fiction [E. B., Time, and Biographies (a press prints what they’re told to print)]. Then again, perhaps you were one of those who spent years on the job and as the saying goes, “years on the job does not prove experience.”
With regard to bias, you have shown you cannot write without it. The data you input contains misinformation (propaganda), and no hard facts. The real reason for your bias is unknown, at this time: however, it may surface with your Diatribe. Castoroil101 18:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC).
I've tagged the page as a copyright problem because significant portions of the text are verbatum copies from the page cited in the tag. It is entirely possible that the site listed copied them from a source we can copy from, but the article cites the pilfered site as the source. At the very least, we need a better source than some site pitching castor oil as the cure for all of the ills of the world. Mdbrownmsw 18:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
You say it's a copyright violation, were you violated? Your entry above shows you don't like Castor oil. If you don't like a topic, then why even bother to be a Wikipedia critic on it? What's your motivation and what do you have against Castor oil? You could never be an expert on the topic because you don't like it. "Encyclopedia content must be verifiable" and most of the sources come from the U. S. Federal Government. Is there a better source for facts than the Federal Government? FYI, the Castor oil plant was put on this earth for a reason, to help people, just like all the other plants on this earth and humans need plants more than plants need humans. Sooner or later you will come to realize that plants are special simply because they help people and should be respected, not ridiculed. Until then, you can disregard and negate facts about beneficial plants all your life. But one thing is undeniable: plants are part of the natural world just like all living matter including the supreme human beings and all living matter will eventually return to the natural world because nature rules in the end. Castoroil101 09:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Your argument makes no sense, Castoroil101. Even if Mdbrownmsw has an agenda such as better sourcing, the fact remains that the information was copied verbatim in significant portions. It does not matter if Mdbrownmsw was violated; it appears that someone else's copyright has been. Shadowin 16:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Shadowin for your input and you do make sense based on the information available to you. Copyright permission was granted today. It seems fair in the future to give copyright violation warnings prior to a page being tagged as a copyright violation. Also, can I have my deleted user page Castoroil101 back so we can communicate in another arena. Good Day Castoroil101 19:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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I'm suggesting removing the section "Castor oil as a tool of political terror" inserted on 1/19/2007 by the administrator User:Infrogmation. The section does not provide credible references according to Taxman (above) and Castoroil101. The section does not merit mention according to Timothy Chen Allen (above) and according to Castoroil101 the section is utter non-sense as any encyclopedic product page could have a section "used as a tool of political terror," including water. Does an encyclopedia really need every product page to have a "used as a tool of political terror?" For example; shall I go to the gasoline page and insert a section that states gasoline was used by Hitler as a tool of political terror? Is this useful information for an encylopedia? Not at all, so this section must be removed. Castoroil101 23:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
Would you mind if I remove the "old talk" garbage on this page. Castoroil101 00:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
According to the dictionary, castor oil isn't a proper noun, so it should only be capitalized at the beginning of sentences or when used as a subject heading. A really fun project is going to be going through and changing all of those capitals in sentences. If we do it one section at a time, it shouldn't be too bad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jwit ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
The writter wrote that caster oil is an eye irritant but, I put Cold Pressed and Cold Processed Caster Oil in my eyes all the time. It's an old Ayurvedic remedy for dry eyes. "The simplest and best remedy for iritated eyes. Put a single drop of pure, genuine caster oil (without preservatives) into your eyes at bedtime."("The complete Book of Ayurvedic Home Remedies".Vasant D. Lad, B.A.M.S., M.A.Sc..Copyright 1998 by Vasant Lad, M.A.Sc.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DaBOB ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
This section needs some references other than http://www.kristinasoil.com/fyi.html. If you look for the references to the "over a thousand patents", you get a link to a link to a link to a presentation which has one line (out of 27 pages) in it about patents. Claiming that castor oil provides superior lubrication compared to petroleum-based materials needs several authoritative references since this claim is so sweeping. Silverchemist 17:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
While the use described is clearly one of torture and coercion, terrorism is something of a blanket term which should, in general, be replaced by possible with something more specific. "Use in fascist Italy" seems a more instructive title. 71.193.188.203 23:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I am Italian and I disagree with the opinion expressed in the article that even nowadays expressions such as "usare l'olio di ricino" or "usare il manganello" may be tricky. They certainly remind of the fascist era, but have no negative connotations.-- Ithunn ( talk) 10:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I reverted an edit that altered the sentence: Today, the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recognizes castor oil as generally recognized as safe and effective (GRASE) for over-the-counter use as a laxative to: Today, castor oil is generally recognized as safe and effective (GRASE) as a laxative by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)...
"generally recognized as safe and effective" is an FDA categorization as indicated by the acronym GRASE, which is used in many FDA publications. I agree that the proposed wording would read better if "generally recognized as safe and effective" was an ordinary phrase. But it has special meaning at the FDA and should not be broken up. Any rewording should keep it as a unitary phrase.
I might take a stab at rewording it myself. I agree it's fairly ugly as it stands. -- Terry Carroll 15:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I started cleaning up that "GRASE" sentence and got carried away and ended up copy-editing that entire section. It would be great if someone with deep expertise would review this and clean up the things I couldn't. I've indicated a few that stood out to me in <!--comments-->. -- Terry Carroll 16:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm deleting the reference to the Agricultural Materials Act of 1984. It's incorrect. The cite relied on for this -- http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-380.html -- reads as follows:
The author cited probably meant the "Critical Agricultural Materials Act," Pub. L. 98-284, May 16, 1984. I have a copy of this statute in front of me. It's only five pages long, and there is no mention whatsoever of castor oil. -- Terry Carroll 00:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there room for a section Castor oil in popular culture? My kids were watching Mary Poppins (film), and the children sing, among the requirements for a new babysitter, that she should not give them Castor oil :-)))))) Albmont 18:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Castor Oil is also referenced in many cartoons of the 40's to 50's - mainly as a form of punishment. Some mention should be made here, yes? --
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It should be here, I agree. It is used as a form of punishment in the media, but when my mom was younger it was the equivalent of stool softener. Angie Y. ( talk) 23:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
This should definitely be discussed in the article. Watching Walt Disney cartoons from the 30s-50s, one gets the sense that at that period, it was common to give children a spoon of Castor Oil every day, and that children hated it. It doesn't look like a form of punishment, but rather something which was supposed to be important, just like brushing your teeth. Was this indeed true (outside of films)? If so, what was its supposed health benefits of Castor Oil to children? Is there any truth is these benefits, or were they later refuted? (children today don't normally take Castor Oil). Why were these benefits attributed to castor oil, and not other types of oils? Nyh ( talk) 20:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
This thread is good, I totally agree it should be added, and it's been waiting since 2007!!! Need a couple of good sources... hilariously, the first result of my search query for "castro oil in popular culture" was this very talk page. How's that for public discourse in appropriate location?! Good stuff... some links:
Any references in perhaps the folklore or popular culture literature? Mattsenate ( talk) 17:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Was the point in returning the citations about the HIT lesions treated with a topical product in order to have an online link, in order to show that it was efficaious, or something else entirely that I shouldn't assume? If we need an online link an article with the results of a clinical trial, rather than a case study might make its use sound more conclusive. Also the product information from the manufacturerer is helpful in clearly stating that castor oil is an active ingredient and the use and could replace both citations. ( http://www.healthpoint.com/divisions/tm/prodXenaderm.cfm) -- Jwit 19:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
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The article says that the molecular weight of castor oil is 298 daltons. This is the weight of ricinoleic acid, not the triglyceride, which weighs about three times that, plus the weight of the glycerin molecule. So in reality it averages around 986 daltons. I'm gonna edit the article, since there shouldn't be any debate about this. 71.192.191.207 ( talk) 20:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I didn't find a ref to the molecular mass in the article at all 28MAR2013. It references it being 'low' but doesn't say what it is. Thanks for the info above -- should be in the article. Palyne ( talk) 20:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC) palyne
In the the article natron it is said that egyptian artists mixed natron and castor oil to provide a lamp without smoke. Should that be mentioned here too? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. ( talk) 15:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the density is given in kilograms times cubic millimeters (kg * m−3)? I am altering it to read the conventional, much more intuitively described unit, kilograms per cubic meter (kg/m3). -- Zen Swashbuckler -- ( talk) 21:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
it seems to have been quite neglected really whats this? "In south Egypt, women use a dose of full large spoon of castor oil to prevent pregnancy for one year." well? does it work? why is their no citation or even a [citation needed] for that matter? and thats just one example but its 2:25 am here and i am going on to bed i would try to fix it myself but i don't quite understand html and i would probably mess up the page somehow i dont even know if i am doing this correctly i hope i got it right -- 96.15.15.132 ( talk) 08:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
How was it used? By ingestion, one spoonful a day? Please provide reference!-- Ithunn ( talk) 10:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
It is stated that it is sulphonated castor oil (true as far as I know) then that it is made from pure Jatropha oil which is another vegetable oil. Although this may be a working alternative the formulation is very strange. No specific details on the use and function of Turkish red oil is given. As I have understood it the Turkish is used for making mordant bind to cellulose fibres like cotton so that they can be dyed with dyes forming lakes, typically the red madder dyes. Often the cloth was pattern-printed with the oil to makes calicots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.227.15.253 ( talk) 09:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states, 'Castor oil (CAS number 8001-79-4) is a colorless to very pale yellow liquid with mild or no odor or taste.' This is so contrary to general experience as to require correction. Castor oil is famously foul-tasting, and the smell is nauseating to many. A physician I know recommends preparing a glass of lime or lemon juice to be taken immediately after the oil, with the nose being held throughout the process. See this link for an example of reputation:
http://www.thrillmer.com/comics/profkindly360621.jpg
Spicemix ( talk) 12:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
If it was used for torture and intimidation in fascist Italy, then it must taste horrible. I agree with the person who posted this comment. Castor Oil is famous for its taste, so to claim it has none, with no further explanation about why people in the 30's and 40's were scared to death of drinking it, is pretty anti-informative. 24.190.213.174 ( talk) 17:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
There few website that seems to do spammy activities on wikipedia. What is the way to check that website links are spammy and how can I help wiki in blocking those? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hairreview ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I've moved these here so they don't disrupt the flow of the page's top. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:34, 28 October 2013 (UTC) There is a dangerous statement "Also, by applying castor oil, the food becomes easy to digest". Will the creator of this article pl remove that line in section As food grain preservative Kalpak ( talk) 13:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)kalpak
The first line in the article mentions extraction from a beaver's groin.. The bad english, lack of supporting facts, and the fact that it doesn't connect at all with the rest of the entry implies to me that this page was vandalized. If it is a correct entry, then it needs to be updated.
Also, one addition if someone could do the research -- supposedly castor oil can be used to remove Skin Tags. Perhaps a mention, plus any research you find.
G. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.179.180.71 ( talk) 11:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I found the wording of this section of the article confusing:
"In lesser quantities, castor oil was also used as an instrument of intimidation, for example, to discourage civilians or soldiers who would call in sick either in the factory or in the military. Since its healing properties were widely exaggerated, abuse could be easily masked under pretense of a doctor's prescription."
How did the intimidation occur? Is this to say that workers who called in sick were somehow forced to obtain a prescription to castor oil and prove to their employers that they had consumed it? That seems pretty implausible.
Just hoping to clarify that section so others aren't as stumped as I am. I would try to reword it myself, but I don't know enough about the facts to get it right.
-- 134.134.137.71 ( talk) 20:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
References
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Earlier discussion moved to:
This archive has been moved to Talk:Castor oil/Archive 1 and is now listed on the archive box. - - MrBill3 ( talk) 14:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The second half of this sentence needs fixing: "The average functionality (number of hydroxyl groups per triglyceride molecule) of castor oil is 2.7, so it is widely used as rigid polyol and coating." - Dough34 ( talk) 18:29, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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