For the record (no pun intended), RIAA really does use "2× Multi-platinum"; while I can't directly link to RIAA search results, I would suggest looking up Carrie at http://www.riaa.com ; a search there would indicate that they do indeed use such phrasing, redundant as it may be. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells• Otter chirps) 22:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm planning to promote this article to FA status within these few months. Anyone would like to help me please do. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 07:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
As you can see from before, I've made some heavy changes to the article. Here is a summary of what I've done:
Now, I think this article can satisfy the WP:FLC criteria. I have nominated now. If there is any queries, leave a message below. Also, if you are unhappy with the changes, instead of reverting it, please voice your opinions on the talk page. Many thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 11:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Where is the source that Bless the Broken Road was an actual single? σмgнgσмg (talk) 22:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Another summary of changes by me. Basically, these changes are based on the advice made by Wikipedia editors here.
Before any reverts, please discuss it first. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 23:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Year | Album |
---|---|
2005 |
Some Hearts
|
Carrie Underwood has release two studio albums. They are in both CD and digital download forms. For more information, please see their respective articles.
Year | Album | Peak chart positions | Certifications | Record Lable | ||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US 200 | CAN Albums | CAN Country | AUS Country | World | US | Canada | |||
2005 |
Some Hearts
|
1 | 2 | 11 | 1 | 12 | 2 | 7× multi-platinum | 3× platinum | Arista Records |
2007 |
Carnival Ride
|
1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 1 | 2× multi-platinum |
-- Langdon ( talk) 05:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
I've just done the following things:
And the certifications of singles are a mess. Should we separate them or what? -- Langdon ( talk) 01:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
Further drastic changes to the layout of the article and the format of it will need to be discussed beforehand. This is because we can't keep on changing the format to suit what you think looks good as the article is currently going under a WP:FLC review. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 04:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Miscellaneous appearances is where she collaborated with other artists or featured in other songs. Note, this does not mean that these songs charted. So why are we combining it with the other charted songs table? σмgнgσмg (talk) 04:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
the song "some hearts" only released in pop and AC format (it said like this in Some Hearts). so don't put lines back in country colomns. -- Langdon ( talk) 06:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
I've talk about label issue before, and someone likes it. why change it back? like I said, if carrie release 20 albums in her career, we will repeat the label so many times. I suggest again that we create a new column or move it to the top. I will do it beforehand.-- Langdon ( talk) 23:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
I really appreciate Omghgomg who work very hard on this discography. But I ought to point out the things I don't like.
Previous
Year | Album | Chart Positions | Certifications | ||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US 200 | CAN | CAN Country | AUS Country | World | US | Canada | ||
2005 | Some Hearts | 1 | 2 | 11 | 1 | 12 | 2 | 6× Multi-platinum | 3× Multi-platinum |
2007 | Carnival Ride | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 1 | 2× Multi-platinum |
Current
Year | Album | Peak chart positions [1] [2] [3] | Certifications | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US 200 | CAN | CAN Country | AUS Country | World | |||
2005 |
Some Hearts
|
1 | 2 | 11 | 1 | 12 | 2 |
US: 7× Multi-Platinum Canada: 3× Platinum |
2007 |
Carnival Ride
|
1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 1 | US: 2× Multi-Platinum |
compare these 2. in the second one the notes make every row spacious. that is not a good thing. so I suggest several ways to avoid this, but Omghgomg did not listen.
if over 90% of discographies are edited like that way, I won't argue again. I know some featured discographies did that way, but that is not a rule. we don't have to skick to other pages. if we can save some space, why don't we? and a my point is to factorthe same things out, and don't repeat the same thing so many times.
I like the note system very much. it works much better. one day I will make a change in all country discography.
one thing I want to point out is the horizontal lines. the note says, ""—" denotes releases that did not chart." what do you mean? is it release to all formats but fail to chart some of the formats or release to that format but fail to chart? Like "Some Hearts", the song release to pop and AC format only. hot 100 contains any format of music, so I don't know if the song fails to chart. but it didn't release to country radio, the song don't have to chart. it is the same thing in other charted songs. the songs there didn't even RELEASE. the lines there should be deleted.
I think the chart positions of "Do You Hear What I Hear" and others should be move to this section, either merge or create a new box. they are the same, but separated into 2 different sections. it is weird.
it is an irony here. Omghgomg created another column to denote directors but didn't allow me to put label in a new column. what reason is that?????
I strongly disagree with Caldorwads4 decision not to allow Mediabase #1 footnotes. For one thing, Mediabase is a very respected charting publication. Virtually all of the country countdown radio shows (Jeff Foxworthy, Bob Kingsley, Crook & Chase, etc) use Mediabase.
But more importantly, failure to allow Mediabase #1 footnotes will confuse readers who come to this page. As of this writing, if you count up all of Carrie's country #1 singles, she has seven #1 country hits. However, up in the right hand corner, under Carrie discography...it says "No. 1 singles (overall): 9." People are not going to understand where the other two #1 singles are coming from. A simple Mediabase #1 footnote will explain to readers why she's listed as having 9 #1 singles overall. Either way, there should be some consistency here. There should either be a footnote to show how we arrive at 9 #1 singles. Or the box should say she has 7 #1 singles. Leaving it the way it stands right now (9 of one, 7 of the other) will just confuse the readers. 65.112.214.98 ( talk) 12:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
since Omghgomg have come, making changes become more difficult. I've suggest a way to change this: "change first, then leave a message, and we can discuss keep it or kick it." I think it is better than "discuss first, change later," in that case we might never change a thing because no one answer to it at all. we should also copy the messages to the featured list discussion, so everyone can see them.
there are too few poeple to response to making changes, and because of the old way, we can never change a thing. compare to these 2 pages,
2006 in country music and
2008 in country music, you can see that the 2008 one is not worse than 2006 one. and please don't say "no other pages do that". it is ridiculous.
by
Langdon (
talk)
02:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
As the inactive FLC has been archived in Featured list candidates/Carrie Underwood discography/archive1, the issues have been posted on Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard#Carrie Underwood discography, and several editors have been participating in the continuing discussion below, I've removed a third opinion request which was posted five days ago. — Athaenara ✉ 15:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't like some of the format edited by Omghgomg. I'm going to hold a vote. the catigories include: notes under albums, certifications, dashes, the position of albums in single and song table. I need everybody's opinions.
1.
|
2.
| ||||||||||
3.
|
4.
|
Please vote for one of them.
|
|
Please vote for one of them.
Year | Single | Peak chart positions | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US Hot 100 | US Pop 100 | US AC | US Digital | ||
2005 | " Bless the Broken Road" | 50 | — | — | — | — |
"—" denotes releases that did not chart.
Year | Single | Peak chart positions | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US Hot 100 | US Pop 100 | US AC | US Digital | ||
2005 | " Bless the Broken Road" | 50 |
"blank" denotes releases that did not chart.
Please vote for one of them.
Year | Single | Album |
---|---|---|
2007 | "Just a Dream" | Carnival Ride |
" Do You Hear What I Hear" | Hear Something Country Christmas 2007 |
Year | Single | Album |
---|---|---|
2007 | "Just a Dream" | Carnival Ride |
" Do You Hear What I Hear" | Hear Something Country Christmas 2007 |
Please vote for one of them.
The voting, as Drewcifer said, was a pointless method. So, I've left a request at WPP:MUSIC discussion board in hopes that they would provide scope on this article. This article is in need of a third opinion from outside the Carrie Underwood fans. σмgнgσмg (talk) 03:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Since there is really no objections to the article or any disputes, I'm thinking of nominating this article for FAL again. If you have any objections, now would be the time to voice them before I nominate this article. σмgнgσмg (talk) 10:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I must say, the voting is quite successful. (it is held by me.)
Those format examples are not wrong, but we need consensus on the format. Also, It tells us what other editors prefer. when I make changes, I always receive this excuse: "other editors are satisfied with that, so don't change." or something similar to that. how do you know others think that way? of course they are satisfied with that (because they don't talk), but after voting, we can see they do prefer other ways.
so, we have to use the result temporarily. the voting law did allow us to do that. so the certifications and album positions problems are temporarily solved. for notes and dashes, we will wait for more opinions. Langdon ( talk) 04:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)i7114080
For the record (no pun intended), RIAA really does use "2× Multi-platinum"; while I can't directly link to RIAA search results, I would suggest looking up Carrie at http://www.riaa.com ; a search there would indicate that they do indeed use such phrasing, redundant as it may be. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells• Otter chirps) 22:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm planning to promote this article to FA status within these few months. Anyone would like to help me please do. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 07:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
As you can see from before, I've made some heavy changes to the article. Here is a summary of what I've done:
Now, I think this article can satisfy the WP:FLC criteria. I have nominated now. If there is any queries, leave a message below. Also, if you are unhappy with the changes, instead of reverting it, please voice your opinions on the talk page. Many thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 11:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Where is the source that Bless the Broken Road was an actual single? σмgнgσмg (talk) 22:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Another summary of changes by me. Basically, these changes are based on the advice made by Wikipedia editors here.
Before any reverts, please discuss it first. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 23:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Year | Album |
---|---|
2005 |
Some Hearts
|
Carrie Underwood has release two studio albums. They are in both CD and digital download forms. For more information, please see their respective articles.
Year | Album | Peak chart positions | Certifications | Record Lable | ||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US 200 | CAN Albums | CAN Country | AUS Country | World | US | Canada | |||
2005 |
Some Hearts
|
1 | 2 | 11 | 1 | 12 | 2 | 7× multi-platinum | 3× platinum | Arista Records |
2007 |
Carnival Ride
|
1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 1 | 2× multi-platinum |
-- Langdon ( talk) 05:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
I've just done the following things:
And the certifications of singles are a mess. Should we separate them or what? -- Langdon ( talk) 01:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
Further drastic changes to the layout of the article and the format of it will need to be discussed beforehand. This is because we can't keep on changing the format to suit what you think looks good as the article is currently going under a WP:FLC review. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 04:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Miscellaneous appearances is where she collaborated with other artists or featured in other songs. Note, this does not mean that these songs charted. So why are we combining it with the other charted songs table? σмgнgσмg (talk) 04:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
the song "some hearts" only released in pop and AC format (it said like this in Some Hearts). so don't put lines back in country colomns. -- Langdon ( talk) 06:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
I've talk about label issue before, and someone likes it. why change it back? like I said, if carrie release 20 albums in her career, we will repeat the label so many times. I suggest again that we create a new column or move it to the top. I will do it beforehand.-- Langdon ( talk) 23:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
I really appreciate Omghgomg who work very hard on this discography. But I ought to point out the things I don't like.
Previous
Year | Album | Chart Positions | Certifications | ||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US 200 | CAN | CAN Country | AUS Country | World | US | Canada | ||
2005 | Some Hearts | 1 | 2 | 11 | 1 | 12 | 2 | 6× Multi-platinum | 3× Multi-platinum |
2007 | Carnival Ride | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 1 | 2× Multi-platinum |
Current
Year | Album | Peak chart positions [1] [2] [3] | Certifications | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US 200 | CAN | CAN Country | AUS Country | World | |||
2005 |
Some Hearts
|
1 | 2 | 11 | 1 | 12 | 2 |
US: 7× Multi-Platinum Canada: 3× Platinum |
2007 |
Carnival Ride
|
1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 1 | US: 2× Multi-Platinum |
compare these 2. in the second one the notes make every row spacious. that is not a good thing. so I suggest several ways to avoid this, but Omghgomg did not listen.
if over 90% of discographies are edited like that way, I won't argue again. I know some featured discographies did that way, but that is not a rule. we don't have to skick to other pages. if we can save some space, why don't we? and a my point is to factorthe same things out, and don't repeat the same thing so many times.
I like the note system very much. it works much better. one day I will make a change in all country discography.
one thing I want to point out is the horizontal lines. the note says, ""—" denotes releases that did not chart." what do you mean? is it release to all formats but fail to chart some of the formats or release to that format but fail to chart? Like "Some Hearts", the song release to pop and AC format only. hot 100 contains any format of music, so I don't know if the song fails to chart. but it didn't release to country radio, the song don't have to chart. it is the same thing in other charted songs. the songs there didn't even RELEASE. the lines there should be deleted.
I think the chart positions of "Do You Hear What I Hear" and others should be move to this section, either merge or create a new box. they are the same, but separated into 2 different sections. it is weird.
it is an irony here. Omghgomg created another column to denote directors but didn't allow me to put label in a new column. what reason is that?????
I strongly disagree with Caldorwads4 decision not to allow Mediabase #1 footnotes. For one thing, Mediabase is a very respected charting publication. Virtually all of the country countdown radio shows (Jeff Foxworthy, Bob Kingsley, Crook & Chase, etc) use Mediabase.
But more importantly, failure to allow Mediabase #1 footnotes will confuse readers who come to this page. As of this writing, if you count up all of Carrie's country #1 singles, she has seven #1 country hits. However, up in the right hand corner, under Carrie discography...it says "No. 1 singles (overall): 9." People are not going to understand where the other two #1 singles are coming from. A simple Mediabase #1 footnote will explain to readers why she's listed as having 9 #1 singles overall. Either way, there should be some consistency here. There should either be a footnote to show how we arrive at 9 #1 singles. Or the box should say she has 7 #1 singles. Leaving it the way it stands right now (9 of one, 7 of the other) will just confuse the readers. 65.112.214.98 ( talk) 12:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
since Omghgomg have come, making changes become more difficult. I've suggest a way to change this: "change first, then leave a message, and we can discuss keep it or kick it." I think it is better than "discuss first, change later," in that case we might never change a thing because no one answer to it at all. we should also copy the messages to the featured list discussion, so everyone can see them.
there are too few poeple to response to making changes, and because of the old way, we can never change a thing. compare to these 2 pages,
2006 in country music and
2008 in country music, you can see that the 2008 one is not worse than 2006 one. and please don't say "no other pages do that". it is ridiculous.
by
Langdon (
talk)
02:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
As the inactive FLC has been archived in Featured list candidates/Carrie Underwood discography/archive1, the issues have been posted on Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard#Carrie Underwood discography, and several editors have been participating in the continuing discussion below, I've removed a third opinion request which was posted five days ago. — Athaenara ✉ 15:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't like some of the format edited by Omghgomg. I'm going to hold a vote. the catigories include: notes under albums, certifications, dashes, the position of albums in single and song table. I need everybody's opinions.
1.
|
2.
| ||||||||||
3.
|
4.
|
Please vote for one of them.
|
|
Please vote for one of them.
Year | Single | Peak chart positions | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US Hot 100 | US Pop 100 | US AC | US Digital | ||
2005 | " Bless the Broken Road" | 50 | — | — | — | — |
"—" denotes releases that did not chart.
Year | Single | Peak chart positions | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
US Country | US Hot 100 | US Pop 100 | US AC | US Digital | ||
2005 | " Bless the Broken Road" | 50 |
"blank" denotes releases that did not chart.
Please vote for one of them.
Year | Single | Album |
---|---|---|
2007 | "Just a Dream" | Carnival Ride |
" Do You Hear What I Hear" | Hear Something Country Christmas 2007 |
Year | Single | Album |
---|---|---|
2007 | "Just a Dream" | Carnival Ride |
" Do You Hear What I Hear" | Hear Something Country Christmas 2007 |
Please vote for one of them.
The voting, as Drewcifer said, was a pointless method. So, I've left a request at WPP:MUSIC discussion board in hopes that they would provide scope on this article. This article is in need of a third opinion from outside the Carrie Underwood fans. σмgнgσмg (talk) 03:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Since there is really no objections to the article or any disputes, I'm thinking of nominating this article for FAL again. If you have any objections, now would be the time to voice them before I nominate this article. σмgнgσмg (talk) 10:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I must say, the voting is quite successful. (it is held by me.)
Those format examples are not wrong, but we need consensus on the format. Also, It tells us what other editors prefer. when I make changes, I always receive this excuse: "other editors are satisfied with that, so don't change." or something similar to that. how do you know others think that way? of course they are satisfied with that (because they don't talk), but after voting, we can see they do prefer other ways.
so, we have to use the result temporarily. the voting law did allow us to do that. so the certifications and album positions problems are temporarily solved. for notes and dashes, we will wait for more opinions. Langdon ( talk) 04:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)i7114080