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It seems that current title ("Carpathian Ruthenia") and current scope of this article are at odds with each other. Content of this article is focused on Ruthenian territories on the inner side of Carpathians, or more precisely, the focus is on Ruthenian regions that are approximately corresponding to the territory of modern Zakarpattia Oblast. And there lies the problem: the term "Carpathian Ruthenia" has much wider meaning, since it also covers Ruthenian territories on the outer side of Carpathians. In other words, we should make some choices. If we want to keep the current title, then we should widen the scope of this article, by including additional content related to Ruthenian territories on both sides of Carpathians, thus covering the entire territory of Carpathian Ruthenia. On the other hand, if we want to keep the current focus of this article on Ruthenian territories on the inner side of Carpathian Mountains, then we should adjust the title in accordance with the real scope of this article's content. In that case, the title could be changed, but there comes the question, into what? First choices that come to mind are terms like " Subcarpathian Ruthenia" and " Transcarpathian Ruthenia" but both of those terms are relative in nature, since they are used as descriptive designations for Ruthenian territories on inner or outer sides of the Carpathians, depending on a point of observation and local customary uses, that differ significantly. There is another, neutral solution, based on geographical terminology. Since this article is focused on Ruthenian territories on the inner side of Carpathians, its title could be changed into " Inner Carpathian Ruthenia" or something like that. Such title would reflect the real scope of this article, and it would be based on geographical terminology, thus avoiding the use of relative terms that are coined with ambiguous (sub-/trans-) prefixes. My choice would be to keep the current title, but widen the scope of this article, by including additional content related to all territories of Carpathian Ruthenia. Sorabino ( talk) 15:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
The page generally lacks sources at almost every topic, resulting in the information being very one-sided. Objectivity can also be questioned, as anything Hungary-related is considered "contested", while paragraphs based on Czechoslovak/Soviet/Ukrainian opinions are mentioned as they were facts. Zsovar24 ( talk) 10:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Blindlynx I understand why you removed the additional languages from the passage below to reduce clutter. However, it's my opinion that they should still be included considering the history of diversity of the area.
Carpathian Ruthenia, or Zakarpattia [a] ( Rusyn: Карпатьска Русь, Karpat'ska Rus'; Ukrainian: Закарпаття, romanized: Zakarpattia or Карпатська Русь; Slovak and Czech: Podkarpatská Rus; Polish: Zakarpacie, Hungarian: Kárpátalja; Romanian: Transcarpatia; Russian: Карпатская Русь, romanized: Karpatskaya Rus'; German: Karpatenukraine) is a historic region on the border between Central and Eastern Europe ...
One idea is to cut it down to the following, emphasizing the bordering countries, while also cutting it down a bit...
Carpathian Ruthenia [b] ( Rusyn: Карпатьска Русь Karpat'ska Rus'; Ukrainian: Закарпаття Zakarpattia; Slovak and Czech: Podkarpatská Rus; Polish: Zakarpacie; Romanian: Transcarpatia) [c] is a historic region on the border between Central and Eastern Europe ...
I'm personally not a fan of using {{ efn}} in this context...maybe a separate section on nomenclature or similar would be better. Let me know if you have a better idea. -- 💬 KaerbaqianRen 04:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
As best I can tell, the cost of arms used by the Oblast is slightly different from the one used by the Republic, notably the bear's head is different. Is this true or am I imagining things? Kelvinnkat ( talk) 21:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Moved with two supports. There ain't any oppose since a suggestion was made and can be done later. For the time being, per nominator and consensus. ( non-admin closure) Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 04:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Carpathian Ruthenia → Transcarpathia – Each time I want to get to this article I first get to the Transcarpathia disambiguation page and later think why is this article titled this way. "Transcarpathia" is overwhelmingly the most WP:COMMONNAME for this region. I simply do not see it in use today outside of Wikipedia.
Transcarpathia has 16,300 Google Scholar results while Carpathian Ruthenia has 8,530. Transcarpathia is far more popular than Carpathian Ruthenia as shown by Google Ngrams [1]. Britannica has a topic for Transcarpathia [2] and no page for Carpathian Ruthenia. I can hardly find news related to the invasion of Ukraine about the region under the name of Carpathian Ruthenia. Under the name of Transcarpathia we find news from several major media outlets [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Super Ψ Dro 10:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Toadette Edit! 14:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 14:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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Transcarpathia was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||||||
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On 12 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Carpathian Ruthenia to Transcarpathia. The result of the discussion was moved. |
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This page has archives. Sections older than 730 days may be automatically archived by ClueBot III when more than 5 sections are present. |
It seems that current title ("Carpathian Ruthenia") and current scope of this article are at odds with each other. Content of this article is focused on Ruthenian territories on the inner side of Carpathians, or more precisely, the focus is on Ruthenian regions that are approximately corresponding to the territory of modern Zakarpattia Oblast. And there lies the problem: the term "Carpathian Ruthenia" has much wider meaning, since it also covers Ruthenian territories on the outer side of Carpathians. In other words, we should make some choices. If we want to keep the current title, then we should widen the scope of this article, by including additional content related to Ruthenian territories on both sides of Carpathians, thus covering the entire territory of Carpathian Ruthenia. On the other hand, if we want to keep the current focus of this article on Ruthenian territories on the inner side of Carpathian Mountains, then we should adjust the title in accordance with the real scope of this article's content. In that case, the title could be changed, but there comes the question, into what? First choices that come to mind are terms like " Subcarpathian Ruthenia" and " Transcarpathian Ruthenia" but both of those terms are relative in nature, since they are used as descriptive designations for Ruthenian territories on inner or outer sides of the Carpathians, depending on a point of observation and local customary uses, that differ significantly. There is another, neutral solution, based on geographical terminology. Since this article is focused on Ruthenian territories on the inner side of Carpathians, its title could be changed into " Inner Carpathian Ruthenia" or something like that. Such title would reflect the real scope of this article, and it would be based on geographical terminology, thus avoiding the use of relative terms that are coined with ambiguous (sub-/trans-) prefixes. My choice would be to keep the current title, but widen the scope of this article, by including additional content related to all territories of Carpathian Ruthenia. Sorabino ( talk) 15:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
The page generally lacks sources at almost every topic, resulting in the information being very one-sided. Objectivity can also be questioned, as anything Hungary-related is considered "contested", while paragraphs based on Czechoslovak/Soviet/Ukrainian opinions are mentioned as they were facts. Zsovar24 ( talk) 10:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Blindlynx I understand why you removed the additional languages from the passage below to reduce clutter. However, it's my opinion that they should still be included considering the history of diversity of the area.
Carpathian Ruthenia, or Zakarpattia [a] ( Rusyn: Карпатьска Русь, Karpat'ska Rus'; Ukrainian: Закарпаття, romanized: Zakarpattia or Карпатська Русь; Slovak and Czech: Podkarpatská Rus; Polish: Zakarpacie, Hungarian: Kárpátalja; Romanian: Transcarpatia; Russian: Карпатская Русь, romanized: Karpatskaya Rus'; German: Karpatenukraine) is a historic region on the border between Central and Eastern Europe ...
One idea is to cut it down to the following, emphasizing the bordering countries, while also cutting it down a bit...
Carpathian Ruthenia [b] ( Rusyn: Карпатьска Русь Karpat'ska Rus'; Ukrainian: Закарпаття Zakarpattia; Slovak and Czech: Podkarpatská Rus; Polish: Zakarpacie; Romanian: Transcarpatia) [c] is a historic region on the border between Central and Eastern Europe ...
I'm personally not a fan of using {{ efn}} in this context...maybe a separate section on nomenclature or similar would be better. Let me know if you have a better idea. -- 💬 KaerbaqianRen 04:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
As best I can tell, the cost of arms used by the Oblast is slightly different from the one used by the Republic, notably the bear's head is different. Is this true or am I imagining things? Kelvinnkat ( talk) 21:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Moved with two supports. There ain't any oppose since a suggestion was made and can be done later. For the time being, per nominator and consensus. ( non-admin closure) Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 04:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Carpathian Ruthenia → Transcarpathia – Each time I want to get to this article I first get to the Transcarpathia disambiguation page and later think why is this article titled this way. "Transcarpathia" is overwhelmingly the most WP:COMMONNAME for this region. I simply do not see it in use today outside of Wikipedia.
Transcarpathia has 16,300 Google Scholar results while Carpathian Ruthenia has 8,530. Transcarpathia is far more popular than Carpathian Ruthenia as shown by Google Ngrams [1]. Britannica has a topic for Transcarpathia [2] and no page for Carpathian Ruthenia. I can hardly find news related to the invasion of Ukraine about the region under the name of Carpathian Ruthenia. Under the name of Transcarpathia we find news from several major media outlets [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Super Ψ Dro 10:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Toadette Edit! 14:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 14:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref group=lower-alpha>
tags or {{efn}}
templates on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}}
template or {{notelist}}
template (see the
help page).