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What is the Swedish name for this? Badagnani ( talk) 05:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Wow, it's quite famous in the States. Perhaps it has declined in popularity in the original country after having been imported by the Scandinavian settlers to North America? Or perhaps it's really a Finnish cuisine item (i.e., Pulla), which Swedes also bake from time to time? I believe an article is merited, as it is a distinct type of bread/cake that is well known and widely prepared (as, for example, the Cinnamon roll). Badagnani ( talk) 17:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
First of all, you may be using the wrong Swedish name. Secondly, things Swedish (in Sweden) may have changed in 100 years since the settlers came to North America. For example, dancing the polka is not popular in Poland, but remains hugely popular for Polish Americans. Badagnani ( talk) 17:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I notice that you've removed all mention of Scandinavia or any Scandinavian nations or culture. Please reverse this very poor choice of edit, as the sources do state, massively, that this is a culinary item of Scandinavian origin (either Swedish or Finnish). Badagnani ( talk) 17:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The sources state that it's spelled bullar, bullah, or bulla in Swedish (at least by Swedes in North America). Badagnani ( talk) 17:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
This search result does not seem to show that this is not a Swedish form of bread. Badagnani ( talk) 17:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
See this result as well. Badagnani ( talk) 17:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh, you speak Svenska? Excellent. We really need someone to evaluate those online sources, so that's really appreciated. Hope you can help get to the bottom of this. Here in the U.S., we always say that cardamom-type breads are Scandinavian/Nordic in origin. Perhaps Google Books could help. Badagnani ( talk) 17:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The question is, what do the sources actually say? In North America, we believe that cardamom bread is a signally important dish in Scandinavian food, perhaps second only to lutefisk (or smorgasbord) in notoriety as an indicator of Scandinavian culinary identity; clearly we don't know many Scandinavian dishes, but these are the ones known from the immigrants who brought them. Perhaps it's possible that it's an "Old World" recipe popular in the 19th century, which became less popular in Europe and remained very popular among Scandinavian immigrants to North America. Whatever the case, I'm sure there's no lack of sources about this cuisine item, which has been written about quite a bit. The thing is, you have skills in Swedish and we're eager to see what the Swedish sources (not just Internet, but actual Swedish-language cookbooks and other books about cuisine, dating back to the early 19th century) say about these sweet or semi-sweet cardamom breads. Badagnani ( talk) 18:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
If it turns out that this is a fairly obscure and not-very-popular Scandinavian recipe (which I'm still not convinced of, especially as it's very likely that the Scandinavian kind does not use Bundt pans, frosting, or nuts, but still exists as some form of cardamom-flavored bread/cake), but is a very popular Scandinavian-American dish, then it would certainly not make sense to remove this article and redirect it to "Cardamom." That wouldn't make sense, if it's a prominent dish--and I believe it to be such--among Scandinavian-American cuisine. It is surely a well known regional/subcultural cuisine item here in North America, and shows up in innumerable "country cookbooks," straight up to the present, almost always with the modifier "Swedish" or "Scandinavian" in the title. Badagnani ( talk) 17:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Searching this way, one finds that a great many of the recipes mention Sweden or Scandinavia as the origin; you can also add "Swedish" or "Scandinavian" to the search. Badagnani ( talk) 22:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Various cardamom breads (usually presented as "Swedish" or "Scandinavian" are in innumerable country cookbooks published in the U.S. I guess some could be found here, here, and here. Most of them talk about the dish's "Scandinavian roots," etc. Badagnani ( talk) 21:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I didn't tag it, but I support it.--
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missing German Portuguese compare https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulla — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.160.157 ( talk) 09:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I can see I'm like eight years late on the topic of the "Pulla" article being merged here, but I have to offer my strong disagreement. If anything, the merge should have gone the other way - merging this article to "Pulla." As an American-Finn, I was baffled to have searched for "Pulla" only to be redirected here! I would note that the article itself uses pulla as its default term, not cardamom bread, and if you Google "Finland cardamom bread," the lead results use the term pulla instead. I also note that in the merge proposal and the subsequent merge, no rationales were offered for the merge, which I find problematic. It seems to me that pulla is the common, natural-language name and this should accordingly be used as the article's title. Thoughts? Disagreements? Mbinebri talk ← 20:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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What is the Swedish name for this? Badagnani ( talk) 05:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Wow, it's quite famous in the States. Perhaps it has declined in popularity in the original country after having been imported by the Scandinavian settlers to North America? Or perhaps it's really a Finnish cuisine item (i.e., Pulla), which Swedes also bake from time to time? I believe an article is merited, as it is a distinct type of bread/cake that is well known and widely prepared (as, for example, the Cinnamon roll). Badagnani ( talk) 17:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
First of all, you may be using the wrong Swedish name. Secondly, things Swedish (in Sweden) may have changed in 100 years since the settlers came to North America. For example, dancing the polka is not popular in Poland, but remains hugely popular for Polish Americans. Badagnani ( talk) 17:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I notice that you've removed all mention of Scandinavia or any Scandinavian nations or culture. Please reverse this very poor choice of edit, as the sources do state, massively, that this is a culinary item of Scandinavian origin (either Swedish or Finnish). Badagnani ( talk) 17:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The sources state that it's spelled bullar, bullah, or bulla in Swedish (at least by Swedes in North America). Badagnani ( talk) 17:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
This search result does not seem to show that this is not a Swedish form of bread. Badagnani ( talk) 17:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
See this result as well. Badagnani ( talk) 17:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh, you speak Svenska? Excellent. We really need someone to evaluate those online sources, so that's really appreciated. Hope you can help get to the bottom of this. Here in the U.S., we always say that cardamom-type breads are Scandinavian/Nordic in origin. Perhaps Google Books could help. Badagnani ( talk) 17:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The question is, what do the sources actually say? In North America, we believe that cardamom bread is a signally important dish in Scandinavian food, perhaps second only to lutefisk (or smorgasbord) in notoriety as an indicator of Scandinavian culinary identity; clearly we don't know many Scandinavian dishes, but these are the ones known from the immigrants who brought them. Perhaps it's possible that it's an "Old World" recipe popular in the 19th century, which became less popular in Europe and remained very popular among Scandinavian immigrants to North America. Whatever the case, I'm sure there's no lack of sources about this cuisine item, which has been written about quite a bit. The thing is, you have skills in Swedish and we're eager to see what the Swedish sources (not just Internet, but actual Swedish-language cookbooks and other books about cuisine, dating back to the early 19th century) say about these sweet or semi-sweet cardamom breads. Badagnani ( talk) 18:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
If it turns out that this is a fairly obscure and not-very-popular Scandinavian recipe (which I'm still not convinced of, especially as it's very likely that the Scandinavian kind does not use Bundt pans, frosting, or nuts, but still exists as some form of cardamom-flavored bread/cake), but is a very popular Scandinavian-American dish, then it would certainly not make sense to remove this article and redirect it to "Cardamom." That wouldn't make sense, if it's a prominent dish--and I believe it to be such--among Scandinavian-American cuisine. It is surely a well known regional/subcultural cuisine item here in North America, and shows up in innumerable "country cookbooks," straight up to the present, almost always with the modifier "Swedish" or "Scandinavian" in the title. Badagnani ( talk) 17:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Searching this way, one finds that a great many of the recipes mention Sweden or Scandinavia as the origin; you can also add "Swedish" or "Scandinavian" to the search. Badagnani ( talk) 22:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Various cardamom breads (usually presented as "Swedish" or "Scandinavian" are in innumerable country cookbooks published in the U.S. I guess some could be found here, here, and here. Most of them talk about the dish's "Scandinavian roots," etc. Badagnani ( talk) 21:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I didn't tag it, but I support it.--
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Done
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missing German Portuguese compare https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulla — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.160.157 ( talk) 09:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I can see I'm like eight years late on the topic of the "Pulla" article being merged here, but I have to offer my strong disagreement. If anything, the merge should have gone the other way - merging this article to "Pulla." As an American-Finn, I was baffled to have searched for "Pulla" only to be redirected here! I would note that the article itself uses pulla as its default term, not cardamom bread, and if you Google "Finland cardamom bread," the lead results use the term pulla instead. I also note that in the merge proposal and the subsequent merge, no rationales were offered for the merge, which I find problematic. It seems to me that pulla is the common, natural-language name and this should accordingly be used as the article's title. Thoughts? Disagreements? Mbinebri talk ← 20:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)