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I propose renaming this article to carbon allowance.
The existing name carbon credit seems ambiguous because some sources say a carbon credit is a carbon offset and some say it is a carbon allowance.
As I understand it
voluntary carbon credit = carbon offset
compliance carbon credit = carbon allowance
Whereas everyone seems to agree what a carbon allowance is. See for example https://www.4air.aero/whitepapers/allowances-vs-offsets Chidgk1 ( talk) 18:14, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
As part of the project “Improving communication of climate change knowledge through Wikipedia”, I would like to propose that this article and the carbon offset article be combined into one article, perhaps titled “Carbon offsets and credits”. Am posting this proposal to both this page and the carbon offset talk page.
I’m suggesting this because:
Carbon credit | Carbon offset |
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Carbon Credit TOC
Key Points in Lead 3rd paragraph – drive to lower emission processes (credits and offsets), and discussion of trading partners (more relevant to credits). 4th paragraph- carbon offsets in voluntary markets & credits in Kyoto CDM and EU-ETS (covers both offsets and credits). 1-Definitions – three different definitions given (all are relevant to both credits and offsets, and in fact the term “offset” is used as part of the second definition). 2-Types – VERs and CERS (distinction between credits and offsets here is muddled, VER description uses both offset and credit in same sentence) 3-Background 3.1-Emission allowances (credits), 3.2-Kyoto's 'Flexible mechanisms' (credits) – 3.3-Emission markets (mostly credits discussed here, but markets cover both credits and offsets) -3.4-Setting a market price for carbon – (ideas cover both credits and offsets). 4-How buying carbon credits propose to reduce emissions – (unclear if it relates to credits of offsets - Maintenance template for lack of citations, and much of this seems off topic – I would propose to eliminate most of this section). 5-Creating carbon credits – intro discusses both credit and offset programs; 5.1-Additionality and its importance (applies to both credits and offsets – there is also a template for no citations); 5.2-Criticisms (generally covers credit type issues – maintenance template for out of date information). 6-Fraud allegation – (Although it appears credit related, not sure how this text contributes to the article – suggest deleting it or moving under the criticism section). 7-See also – (mixture of credit related and offset related links). |
Carbon Offset TOC
Key Points in Lead 1st paragraph - definition – compensating for emissions elsewhere (could be offsets or credits, though citation is referring to offsets); one ton of CO2e (both credits/offsets); neutralizing discrepancies on price of carbon (unclear if offset or credit); 3rd and 4th paragraphs - types of projects and need for due diligence to identify “good quality” offsets (applies to both credits/offsets). 1-Features -gases covered, vintage, project type, co-benefits (generally applies to both credits and offsets), certification regime (covers both credit and offset mechanisms). 2-Markets – (Text describes both carbon credit markets (Global, UK) and voluntary (offset) markets). 3-Types of offset projects – (types of projects described in sections 3.1 to 3.6 are common for both carbon offsets and carbon credits). 3.7–Links with emission trading schemes (relates more to carbon credits). 3.8- Carbon retirement (covers similar issue for credits and offsets, though there are some differences). 3.9-Small-scale schemes, and 3.10-Other (don’t seem particularly relevant, and could probably be deleted). 4-Accounting for and verifying reductions –(the issues and concepts described here apply to both offsets and credits, though there are some minor regulatory aspects that are specific to credits). 5-Quality assurance schemes – (this section appears outdated, and most of the citations do not appear to go to active links. Suggest it be deleted). 6Controversies – (Nearly all of the issues described in this section, which has a template on it for potential NPOV issues, apply to both offsets and credits. This section as a whole needs to be rewritten to address the maintenance template). 7-See also – (most of these links are applicable for both offsets and credits). |
Dtetta ( talk) 20:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I have revised the offset article, and moved the portions of this article that seemed appropriate over to the offset article. Ready to close the discussion and determine consensus per section 2.4 of Wikipedia:Merging. Would be interested in feedback on whether there is any material in this article that does not appear in the offset article, but should. So far it appears that EMsmile and Joyous! support the merger proposal, as do I. Dtetta ( talk) 02:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Philotrio, MrOllie and Mitch Ames - you all have recently contributed to the article, so I would be interested in any feedback you have. Dtetta ( talk) 02:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Regarding carbon credits and carbon offsets, one needs to enquire with the UNFCCC about nomenclature and definitions. Philotrio ( talk) 12:46, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia these are the portions of the this article that I have copied, modified, and inserted into the Carbon offset article.
The contents of the Carbon credit page were merged into Talk:Carbon offset on 02 April 2023. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
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I propose renaming this article to carbon allowance.
The existing name carbon credit seems ambiguous because some sources say a carbon credit is a carbon offset and some say it is a carbon allowance.
As I understand it
voluntary carbon credit = carbon offset
compliance carbon credit = carbon allowance
Whereas everyone seems to agree what a carbon allowance is. See for example https://www.4air.aero/whitepapers/allowances-vs-offsets Chidgk1 ( talk) 18:14, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
As part of the project “Improving communication of climate change knowledge through Wikipedia”, I would like to propose that this article and the carbon offset article be combined into one article, perhaps titled “Carbon offsets and credits”. Am posting this proposal to both this page and the carbon offset talk page.
I’m suggesting this because:
Carbon credit | Carbon offset |
---|---|
Carbon Credit TOC
Key Points in Lead 3rd paragraph – drive to lower emission processes (credits and offsets), and discussion of trading partners (more relevant to credits). 4th paragraph- carbon offsets in voluntary markets & credits in Kyoto CDM and EU-ETS (covers both offsets and credits). 1-Definitions – three different definitions given (all are relevant to both credits and offsets, and in fact the term “offset” is used as part of the second definition). 2-Types – VERs and CERS (distinction between credits and offsets here is muddled, VER description uses both offset and credit in same sentence) 3-Background 3.1-Emission allowances (credits), 3.2-Kyoto's 'Flexible mechanisms' (credits) – 3.3-Emission markets (mostly credits discussed here, but markets cover both credits and offsets) -3.4-Setting a market price for carbon – (ideas cover both credits and offsets). 4-How buying carbon credits propose to reduce emissions – (unclear if it relates to credits of offsets - Maintenance template for lack of citations, and much of this seems off topic – I would propose to eliminate most of this section). 5-Creating carbon credits – intro discusses both credit and offset programs; 5.1-Additionality and its importance (applies to both credits and offsets – there is also a template for no citations); 5.2-Criticisms (generally covers credit type issues – maintenance template for out of date information). 6-Fraud allegation – (Although it appears credit related, not sure how this text contributes to the article – suggest deleting it or moving under the criticism section). 7-See also – (mixture of credit related and offset related links). |
Carbon Offset TOC
Key Points in Lead 1st paragraph - definition – compensating for emissions elsewhere (could be offsets or credits, though citation is referring to offsets); one ton of CO2e (both credits/offsets); neutralizing discrepancies on price of carbon (unclear if offset or credit); 3rd and 4th paragraphs - types of projects and need for due diligence to identify “good quality” offsets (applies to both credits/offsets). 1-Features -gases covered, vintage, project type, co-benefits (generally applies to both credits and offsets), certification regime (covers both credit and offset mechanisms). 2-Markets – (Text describes both carbon credit markets (Global, UK) and voluntary (offset) markets). 3-Types of offset projects – (types of projects described in sections 3.1 to 3.6 are common for both carbon offsets and carbon credits). 3.7–Links with emission trading schemes (relates more to carbon credits). 3.8- Carbon retirement (covers similar issue for credits and offsets, though there are some differences). 3.9-Small-scale schemes, and 3.10-Other (don’t seem particularly relevant, and could probably be deleted). 4-Accounting for and verifying reductions –(the issues and concepts described here apply to both offsets and credits, though there are some minor regulatory aspects that are specific to credits). 5-Quality assurance schemes – (this section appears outdated, and most of the citations do not appear to go to active links. Suggest it be deleted). 6Controversies – (Nearly all of the issues described in this section, which has a template on it for potential NPOV issues, apply to both offsets and credits. This section as a whole needs to be rewritten to address the maintenance template). 7-See also – (most of these links are applicable for both offsets and credits). |
Dtetta ( talk) 20:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I have revised the offset article, and moved the portions of this article that seemed appropriate over to the offset article. Ready to close the discussion and determine consensus per section 2.4 of Wikipedia:Merging. Would be interested in feedback on whether there is any material in this article that does not appear in the offset article, but should. So far it appears that EMsmile and Joyous! support the merger proposal, as do I. Dtetta ( talk) 02:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Philotrio, MrOllie and Mitch Ames - you all have recently contributed to the article, so I would be interested in any feedback you have. Dtetta ( talk) 02:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Regarding carbon credits and carbon offsets, one needs to enquire with the UNFCCC about nomenclature and definitions. Philotrio ( talk) 12:46, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia these are the portions of the this article that I have copied, modified, and inserted into the Carbon offset article.