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To whom it may concern. This article contains numerous inaccuracies. In the first line it states The Battle of Texel. This was a naval battle one hundred years earlier in 1673. Thanks
This article needs a *major* overhaul. The event it describes never actually happened, this is just a legend based on the surrender of the Dutch fleet - the fleet wasn't actually "captured" by a cavalry unit. For comparison, the Dutch and German wikipedias describe the event correctly. (I don't think my English is good enough for me to do this myself.) - 195.37.166.248 ( talk) 10:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The article at http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/c_jonge.html, which is based on the work of J.C. de Jonge, looks pretty good to me. It suggests that the sources for the cavalry charge story are all later exaggerations/inventions, and that the only contemporary account (the log of the "Dolfijn", one of the Dutch ships) indicates that a small detachment of French hussars rode out across the ice to talk to the Dutch commander - and that there was no fighting at all. Piers Fletcher ( talk) 19:46, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
The Geschiedenis van het Nederlandse zeewezen by J.C. de Jonge, one of the given sources and the only academic one, tells a completely different story than this article does. All other sources cannot be peer-reviewed (unpublished sources? Really?) or seem to be very editorialised and do not give any sources themselves, and thus not credible. And no, the Napoleon fan site conflicts the very source it claims to use.
As the Dutch version of the article says, which is based on aforementioned publication by De Jonge, the Capture of the Dutch fleet at Den Helder is an exaggerated myth. The German version even starts off by saying that it is nothing but a myth. I found no academic publications claiming anything else than that the French cavalry arrived at Den Helder to make sure the Dutch surrender, which had already taken place, was officially enforced by the Dutch commander-in-chief and upon the Dutch Navy. -- SabasNL ( talk) 01:59, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
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To whom it may concern. This article contains numerous inaccuracies. In the first line it states The Battle of Texel. This was a naval battle one hundred years earlier in 1673. Thanks
This article needs a *major* overhaul. The event it describes never actually happened, this is just a legend based on the surrender of the Dutch fleet - the fleet wasn't actually "captured" by a cavalry unit. For comparison, the Dutch and German wikipedias describe the event correctly. (I don't think my English is good enough for me to do this myself.) - 195.37.166.248 ( talk) 10:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The article at http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/c_jonge.html, which is based on the work of J.C. de Jonge, looks pretty good to me. It suggests that the sources for the cavalry charge story are all later exaggerations/inventions, and that the only contemporary account (the log of the "Dolfijn", one of the Dutch ships) indicates that a small detachment of French hussars rode out across the ice to talk to the Dutch commander - and that there was no fighting at all. Piers Fletcher ( talk) 19:46, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
The Geschiedenis van het Nederlandse zeewezen by J.C. de Jonge, one of the given sources and the only academic one, tells a completely different story than this article does. All other sources cannot be peer-reviewed (unpublished sources? Really?) or seem to be very editorialised and do not give any sources themselves, and thus not credible. And no, the Napoleon fan site conflicts the very source it claims to use.
As the Dutch version of the article says, which is based on aforementioned publication by De Jonge, the Capture of the Dutch fleet at Den Helder is an exaggerated myth. The German version even starts off by saying that it is nothing but a myth. I found no academic publications claiming anything else than that the French cavalry arrived at Den Helder to make sure the Dutch surrender, which had already taken place, was officially enforced by the Dutch commander-in-chief and upon the Dutch Navy. -- SabasNL ( talk) 01:59, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
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