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I am not a fan of the way this is set up. A search for " Captain Phillips" should land here on the film page, which should have the disambiguation link at the the top. The disambiguation page should be named Captain Phillips (disambiguation). Krychek ( talk) 15:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
The paragraph in the Rose George book I added to the "Controversies" section states:
"Marius [captain of Maersk Kendall] keeps quiet. Before he transferred to Kendal, he was on a smaller ship doing the run from Salalah down to Mombasa, Kenya. It was a sister ship to Maersk Alabama, which was captured by pirates in 2009 and whose captain was taken hostage and dramatically rescued by U.S. Navy SEAL snipers who killed three pirates in darkness through the doorway of a closed lifeboat. Murderous, but impressive. The sister ship did the same route and was the same size and flag, but its captain was different and so were its tactics. Marius's ship stayed six hundred miles offshore for as much of its journey as possible, as company guidelines dictated. Alabama didn't and was known for sailing only three hundred miles off Somalia's shoreline. When Marius left the ship, he was sure he would see Alabama in the news. He was right. Alabama is still in the news: its crew is suing Captain Richard Phillips, although he became a national hero, for ignoring company policy. Page 116, Chapter 6, "High-Risk Area". 50.200.41.134 ( talk) 20:44, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I'll put this question out there for others...
Should this section have so much detailed info on the controversies surrounding both Phillips and the Hijacking?
Or, should;
- controversy surrounding Phillips be directed to the
article on Phillips,
- controversy surrounding the hijacking be directed to the
article on the hijacking,
- and only controversy surrounding the film, be added this article, about the film?
Thoughts anyone? - thewolfchild 03:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm — I thought I would refer back to the OP,
Thewolfchild, as s/he put the idea forward, only to have my post there removed without any reason or comment as seen
here
On examining the Talk page you will notice some other impolite behaviour.
This speaks volumes
too— |
Gareth Griffith-Jones |
The Welsh
Buzzard| —
12:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I have BOLDly made changes to the Controversies section. I have removed comments that are not related to the film. Comments about the real-life Phillips should be posted to his BLP (if appropriate). Comments about the actual hi-jacking, and subsequent lawsuit, should be posted to the article about that incident (again, if appropriate). I have left the additions, with the AMA interviews with Phillips and Greengrass, although I am not sure how reliable a source Reddit is. - thewolfchild 13:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Comment I think Thewolfchild made a reasonable edit. The material he removed wasn't directly addressing the film, but simply relaying another version of events that is only tangentially related. As for Reddit, I have reservations about the source since it is unclear how thorough the verification process is. Betty Logan ( talk) 04:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:MOSIM, I've moved the images of the two principal actors to the cast and development sections, respectively, where each is discussed. The image template also overran the section it was placed in [1]. Additionally, I fixed one overlink. Middayexpress ( talk) 18:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I am proposing the following changes to the "Dispute over film accuracy" section; Though the story is recent, this film is based on an historical event and it appears that for such films, it is common to have a section titled "Historical Accuracy" (examples: Gladiator, Gangs of New York, 300 & Zero Dark Thirty) I don't see why this film should be any different. I also stand by the point that we should remove content that is not directly related to the film to avoid repetition, undue weight, lack of neutrality, etc. I also propose that items with questionable sources be removed, until the reliability of those sources is confirmed. With all that said, I propose the current section be rewritten as follows;
Historical Accuracy
In a New York Post article, some of the crew members of the Maersk Alabama accused the film of being inaccurate in facts and the portrayal of Phillips. [1]
In a CNN interview, Mike Perry, the Chief Engineer of the Maersk Alabama, claimed that the film does not tell the true story. [2]
Despite complaints of inaccuracy with how the film portrays the events surrounding the hijacking, the film's director, Paul Greengrass has publicly stated that he "stands behind the authenticity of Captain Phillips". He went on to write "At the end of the day, it is easy to make anonymous accusations against a film. But the facts are clear. Captain Phillips’ ship was attacked, and the ship and the crew and its cargo made it safely to port with no injuries or loss of life. That’s the story we told, and it’s an accurate one" [3]
This proposal is based on the content of this section as it is currently written, and does not preclude any additional, appropriate entries. Thanks. - thewolfchild 19:16, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey Betty, I read your comments about Reddit. If you notice, I went with the idea of using a better source, and we still get Greengrass's comments in there in defence of the film. The section size is now scaled back somewhat, but we still have the idea that the accuracy of the film has been both challenged and defended. I don't think this issue should overshadow the entire article. I'll wait another 24 hours, if no one objects, then I'd like to put this proposed edit in, and hopefully be done with it. - thewolfchild 02:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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I don't agree with this movie being labeled an action thriller. While there are some action scenes in the movie, there are very few. I did a Google search, and while some sources do describe it as an action thriller, majority of them either consider a drama or a thriller. While I won't argue it being in the action thriller category, I do feel that the lead should be changed to either thriller or drama because that is what it is most often called. Personally, I prefer thriller. JDDJS ( talk) 21:23, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Is it really sensible to quote box office figures to the nearest dollar when the amount is well above $100 million? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erriene ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
In the box office section, it says:
"Captain Phillips grossed $107.1 million in North America and $111.7 million in other countries for a worldwide total of $218.8 million, against its budget of $55 million"
I like this. I mean you could just say the film sold 218 million dollars worldwide but breaking down the total into regional sales is fine too and more informative. But the ending of this statement, where it says "against its budget of $55 million", sounds a bit braggy or you know biased in favour of the movie and the sales it made, or at the very least, it doesn't sound as neutral as something like "it cost 55 million dollars to make the movie" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.88.181 ( talk) 09:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
The budget figure is included not to be "braggy" but to give context, this is standard in film articles. Grossing over a hundred million is not impressive if a film cost even more than that to make. Then there are the added complexities of Hollywood accounting and even if it might seem like a film is profitable, studios might still claim it was loss making. -- 109.77.193.6 ( talk) 23:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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The film could not be screened in China because its content would not /was not acceptable to the government there ( https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Directed%20by%20Hollywood%20Edited%20by%20China.pdf). Is this worthy of mention in the article? 37.99.49.197 ( talk) 11:21, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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I am not a fan of the way this is set up. A search for " Captain Phillips" should land here on the film page, which should have the disambiguation link at the the top. The disambiguation page should be named Captain Phillips (disambiguation). Krychek ( talk) 15:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
The paragraph in the Rose George book I added to the "Controversies" section states:
"Marius [captain of Maersk Kendall] keeps quiet. Before he transferred to Kendal, he was on a smaller ship doing the run from Salalah down to Mombasa, Kenya. It was a sister ship to Maersk Alabama, which was captured by pirates in 2009 and whose captain was taken hostage and dramatically rescued by U.S. Navy SEAL snipers who killed three pirates in darkness through the doorway of a closed lifeboat. Murderous, but impressive. The sister ship did the same route and was the same size and flag, but its captain was different and so were its tactics. Marius's ship stayed six hundred miles offshore for as much of its journey as possible, as company guidelines dictated. Alabama didn't and was known for sailing only three hundred miles off Somalia's shoreline. When Marius left the ship, he was sure he would see Alabama in the news. He was right. Alabama is still in the news: its crew is suing Captain Richard Phillips, although he became a national hero, for ignoring company policy. Page 116, Chapter 6, "High-Risk Area". 50.200.41.134 ( talk) 20:44, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I'll put this question out there for others...
Should this section have so much detailed info on the controversies surrounding both Phillips and the Hijacking?
Or, should;
- controversy surrounding Phillips be directed to the
article on Phillips,
- controversy surrounding the hijacking be directed to the
article on the hijacking,
- and only controversy surrounding the film, be added this article, about the film?
Thoughts anyone? - thewolfchild 03:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm — I thought I would refer back to the OP,
Thewolfchild, as s/he put the idea forward, only to have my post there removed without any reason or comment as seen
here
On examining the Talk page you will notice some other impolite behaviour.
This speaks volumes
too— |
Gareth Griffith-Jones |
The Welsh
Buzzard| —
12:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I have BOLDly made changes to the Controversies section. I have removed comments that are not related to the film. Comments about the real-life Phillips should be posted to his BLP (if appropriate). Comments about the actual hi-jacking, and subsequent lawsuit, should be posted to the article about that incident (again, if appropriate). I have left the additions, with the AMA interviews with Phillips and Greengrass, although I am not sure how reliable a source Reddit is. - thewolfchild 13:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Comment I think Thewolfchild made a reasonable edit. The material he removed wasn't directly addressing the film, but simply relaying another version of events that is only tangentially related. As for Reddit, I have reservations about the source since it is unclear how thorough the verification process is. Betty Logan ( talk) 04:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:MOSIM, I've moved the images of the two principal actors to the cast and development sections, respectively, where each is discussed. The image template also overran the section it was placed in [1]. Additionally, I fixed one overlink. Middayexpress ( talk) 18:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I am proposing the following changes to the "Dispute over film accuracy" section; Though the story is recent, this film is based on an historical event and it appears that for such films, it is common to have a section titled "Historical Accuracy" (examples: Gladiator, Gangs of New York, 300 & Zero Dark Thirty) I don't see why this film should be any different. I also stand by the point that we should remove content that is not directly related to the film to avoid repetition, undue weight, lack of neutrality, etc. I also propose that items with questionable sources be removed, until the reliability of those sources is confirmed. With all that said, I propose the current section be rewritten as follows;
Historical Accuracy
In a New York Post article, some of the crew members of the Maersk Alabama accused the film of being inaccurate in facts and the portrayal of Phillips. [1]
In a CNN interview, Mike Perry, the Chief Engineer of the Maersk Alabama, claimed that the film does not tell the true story. [2]
Despite complaints of inaccuracy with how the film portrays the events surrounding the hijacking, the film's director, Paul Greengrass has publicly stated that he "stands behind the authenticity of Captain Phillips". He went on to write "At the end of the day, it is easy to make anonymous accusations against a film. But the facts are clear. Captain Phillips’ ship was attacked, and the ship and the crew and its cargo made it safely to port with no injuries or loss of life. That’s the story we told, and it’s an accurate one" [3]
This proposal is based on the content of this section as it is currently written, and does not preclude any additional, appropriate entries. Thanks. - thewolfchild 19:16, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey Betty, I read your comments about Reddit. If you notice, I went with the idea of using a better source, and we still get Greengrass's comments in there in defence of the film. The section size is now scaled back somewhat, but we still have the idea that the accuracy of the film has been both challenged and defended. I don't think this issue should overshadow the entire article. I'll wait another 24 hours, if no one objects, then I'd like to put this proposed edit in, and hopefully be done with it. - thewolfchild 02:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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I don't agree with this movie being labeled an action thriller. While there are some action scenes in the movie, there are very few. I did a Google search, and while some sources do describe it as an action thriller, majority of them either consider a drama or a thriller. While I won't argue it being in the action thriller category, I do feel that the lead should be changed to either thriller or drama because that is what it is most often called. Personally, I prefer thriller. JDDJS ( talk) 21:23, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Is it really sensible to quote box office figures to the nearest dollar when the amount is well above $100 million? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erriene ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
In the box office section, it says:
"Captain Phillips grossed $107.1 million in North America and $111.7 million in other countries for a worldwide total of $218.8 million, against its budget of $55 million"
I like this. I mean you could just say the film sold 218 million dollars worldwide but breaking down the total into regional sales is fine too and more informative. But the ending of this statement, where it says "against its budget of $55 million", sounds a bit braggy or you know biased in favour of the movie and the sales it made, or at the very least, it doesn't sound as neutral as something like "it cost 55 million dollars to make the movie" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.88.181 ( talk) 09:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
The budget figure is included not to be "braggy" but to give context, this is standard in film articles. Grossing over a hundred million is not impressive if a film cost even more than that to make. Then there are the added complexities of Hollywood accounting and even if it might seem like a film is profitable, studios might still claim it was loss making. -- 109.77.193.6 ( talk) 23:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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The film could not be screened in China because its content would not /was not acceptable to the government there ( https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Directed%20by%20Hollywood%20Edited%20by%20China.pdf). Is this worthy of mention in the article? 37.99.49.197 ( talk) 11:21, 24 May 2019 (UTC)