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This article was created to consolidate independent sections on the same facts from Charles Sumner, Preston Brooks, and Bleeding Kansas.
I recall someone mentioning that what really aggravated Brooks was that Butler was at that time suffering from a stroke, and that Sumner used his condition for that speech, that is, a personal slur for which Butler had no control over. Has anyone found any sources to confirm? maclilus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.41.79 ( talk) 18:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I've cut a (poorly written) sentence that accuses Sumner of having besmirched South Carolina's honour, etc., because it wasn't supported by the cited source and quoted something about blotting out South Carolina's history that is not, as far as I can see, in the "Crime against Kansas" speech. The nearest I can come is this allusion to the "avenging pen of history":
“ | The fury of the propagandists of slavery, and the calm determination of their opponents, are now diffused from the distant Territory over wide-spread communities, and the whole country, in all its extent—marshalling hostile divisions, and foreshadowing a strife, which, unless happily averted by the triumph of Freedom, will become war—fratricidal, parricidal war—with an accumulated wickedness beyond the wickedness of any war in human annals; justly provoking the avenging judgment of Providence and the avenging pen of history, and constituting a strife, in the language of the ancient writer, more than foreign, more than social, more than civil... | ” |
But this of course means the opposite of blotting out pro-slavery forces from history—it means exposing (what Sumner considered) their infamy. If anybody can find the source—or otherwise elaborate on what Brooks thought about Sumner's speech—then let's have at it. Q·L· 1968 ☿ 22:09, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Abbreviations which are not defined on first use are useless. But the editor User:Ad Orientem seems to believe that people around the world know all the US state abbreviations, and the abbreviations of US political parties. They do not. The user should read MOS:FIRSTOCC and WP:BIAS. 46.208.152.88 ( talk) 22:57, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Timrollpickering: I'm not going to die on the hill of Brooks' relationship to Butler or which sources are most reliable. But if you insist on the change here, then please make the same change to the Brooks, Butler, and Sumner articles so they're all consistent.
Billmckern ( talk) 19:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Several online sources of varying repute claim some combination of the following went down during the Crime Against Kansas speech:
But none of them source it directly to period documents, letters, etc. I just wonder where it's coming from, or if anybody has seen these quotes from any peer-reviewed historians, or anything like that. These are decent sources for inclusion in most articles, but well-documented history articles sometimes have higher standards, so it's up to the history buffs who see this I guess. SamuelRiv ( talk) 01:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
I think we need a source about Brown nailing people to barn doors, as this is the first time I've heard of this detail. Also, while the caning happened before John Brown massacred the proslavers, news had not gotten to Kansas yet, and Brown just used the caning as justification after the fact. 165.201.162.178 ( talk) 14:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Add a section saying what laws were broken, and if there was any prosecution. Jidanni ( talk) 18:05, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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This article was created to consolidate independent sections on the same facts from Charles Sumner, Preston Brooks, and Bleeding Kansas.
I recall someone mentioning that what really aggravated Brooks was that Butler was at that time suffering from a stroke, and that Sumner used his condition for that speech, that is, a personal slur for which Butler had no control over. Has anyone found any sources to confirm? maclilus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.41.79 ( talk) 18:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I've cut a (poorly written) sentence that accuses Sumner of having besmirched South Carolina's honour, etc., because it wasn't supported by the cited source and quoted something about blotting out South Carolina's history that is not, as far as I can see, in the "Crime against Kansas" speech. The nearest I can come is this allusion to the "avenging pen of history":
“ | The fury of the propagandists of slavery, and the calm determination of their opponents, are now diffused from the distant Territory over wide-spread communities, and the whole country, in all its extent—marshalling hostile divisions, and foreshadowing a strife, which, unless happily averted by the triumph of Freedom, will become war—fratricidal, parricidal war—with an accumulated wickedness beyond the wickedness of any war in human annals; justly provoking the avenging judgment of Providence and the avenging pen of history, and constituting a strife, in the language of the ancient writer, more than foreign, more than social, more than civil... | ” |
But this of course means the opposite of blotting out pro-slavery forces from history—it means exposing (what Sumner considered) their infamy. If anybody can find the source—or otherwise elaborate on what Brooks thought about Sumner's speech—then let's have at it. Q·L· 1968 ☿ 22:09, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Abbreviations which are not defined on first use are useless. But the editor User:Ad Orientem seems to believe that people around the world know all the US state abbreviations, and the abbreviations of US political parties. They do not. The user should read MOS:FIRSTOCC and WP:BIAS. 46.208.152.88 ( talk) 22:57, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Timrollpickering: I'm not going to die on the hill of Brooks' relationship to Butler or which sources are most reliable. But if you insist on the change here, then please make the same change to the Brooks, Butler, and Sumner articles so they're all consistent.
Billmckern ( talk) 19:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Several online sources of varying repute claim some combination of the following went down during the Crime Against Kansas speech:
But none of them source it directly to period documents, letters, etc. I just wonder where it's coming from, or if anybody has seen these quotes from any peer-reviewed historians, or anything like that. These are decent sources for inclusion in most articles, but well-documented history articles sometimes have higher standards, so it's up to the history buffs who see this I guess. SamuelRiv ( talk) 01:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
I think we need a source about Brown nailing people to barn doors, as this is the first time I've heard of this detail. Also, while the caning happened before John Brown massacred the proslavers, news had not gotten to Kansas yet, and Brown just used the caning as justification after the fact. 165.201.162.178 ( talk) 14:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Add a section saying what laws were broken, and if there was any prosecution. Jidanni ( talk) 18:05, 9 October 2023 (UTC)