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To simplify the timeline I removed some of the following things about the inability of Translink to come to a decision. I don't think it is really relevant any more now that the project has been approved. However, I will leave it here for the entertainment of our readers:
I added a link to canadaline I assumed it was a website built by the Fed/Prov. Gov't I hope this is correct.
Is it time to move this article to Canada Line? Ground Zero | t 15:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I like the map on the front page but thought I'd note here that the 'False Creek South' station is missing and the 'Davie' Station is called 'Yaletown' apparently. -- Phillipe83 7:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a source for the assertion that serious consideration was given to calling it the ‘Olympic Line’ (since TransLink have been so careful to stress that this is not an Olympic project), let alone that there was ever any intention to use the name ‘RAV’ when it went into service? David Arthur 16:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Something doesn't add up here... "There have been recent complaints about the location of the Broadway-City Hall station. Critics say that it is not close enough to Broadway and it is too far _north_ on Cambie St. Officials have taken this complaint seriously and they are debating whether or not to move the station _north_ 50 metres, so it will be closer to Broadway"... If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that the proposed site is too far _south_ judging by this document http://www.canadaline.ca/files/uploads/docs/doc65.pdf 24.80.100.72 05:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I've posted online a collection of Creative Commons licensed photograph of the construction of the Canada Line at http://canadalinephotos.blogspot.com/ that may be of interest for this article. -- Tafyrn ( talk) 06:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Several trains are apparently now sitting in plain view in the yard at Bridgeport station — can anyone get a good photograph of one of them to replace the artist’s image that appears in the article at the moment? David Arthur ( talk) 19:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
An IP has changed 2011 into year 2014. Is there any reason for this? -- Klaus with K ( talk) 15:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone read anything about why the name was changed from RAV to Canada Line. To me, RAV or Olympic Line make the most sense! -- Phillipe83 7:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
A recent edit added the following:
The Canada Line, formerly known as the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver Line ("RAV Line"), is a new rapid transit line of the Greater Vancouver Transportation Authority (TransLink) currently under construction. The line will be the third in Greater Vancouver, Canada and will be added to the existing rapid transit system but will not use linear induction motor technology. Thus it will not be branded "SkyTrain" and the system will simply be branded the Canada Line.
Is there any documentary evidence of this? It's fully possible, of course. But Bombardier's branding for the technology behind the existing SkyTrain system is actually " Bombardier Advanced Rapid Transit"; SkyTrain is Translink's branding for its rapid transit. In theory, there's nothing stopping Translink from branding all its rapid transit lines as "SkyTrain" (and even using the same branding for the light rail Evergreen Line). I have no idea one way or the other, but unless Translink has issued some definitive edict on the subject, I don't think we should make this claim. -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
An update: though we can't be certain until launch, it's starting to look like this will indeed be officially a SkyTrain line. TransLink's official web site is now referring to that Canada Line as 'SkyTrain's newest line', and comparing its rolling stock to 'other SkyTrain cars'. David Arthur ( talk) 16:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the Canada Line official mark belongs to TransLink (SCBCTA) and the SkyTrain official mark belongs to BC Transit (which operated the public transit in Vancouver at the time of SkyTrain's launch). Of course, BC Transit & TransLink may have entered into agreements that limit their use of these; anyone know anything about that? rakslice ( talk) 22:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
According to the Canada Line Office the line is 18.428 kilometers long excluding the OMC. According to my best measurements and calculations Waterfront to Bridgeport is 11.1 kilometers. The track splits at Bridgeport station, with one track going to YVR being 3.9 kilometers and the track going to Richmond Center being 3.4 kilometers. This puts the total non-OMC track length at 18.4 kilometers. Since these numbers are not from published sources (ie.original research) I will just leave them in the discussion page. The length of the two "lines" is:
or, if you prefer, the length of the main line is
and the length of the spur line is
Whatever2009 ( talk) 20:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
There has been some discussion regarding the meaning of the word "line". The most basic geometric definition of a line is a just that: a line, such as a straight line, or a curved line. A line is formed by drawing a pencil accross a piece of paper without lifting the pencil. If you lift the pencil and draw another line, well, then you have two lines. In some countries the definition of a line is strictly adhered to such as for tramlines in Belgium. In England, however, subway track systems are called lines. For example, the Picadilly Line is similar to the Canada Line. The Line in Canada Line or RAV Line also refers to a track system. Such usage is regrettable as it undermines the usefulness of the word line to mean a single route from point A to point B. The term Canada Line now has little meaning other han a brand as dicussed above. It must now be supplemented by the statement Airport or Richmond. However, in their presence, the Canada Line term become unnecessary; it no longer carries any useful information. It may make more sense to just number lines 1,2,3 and state their destination, such as 2, to Airport via Bridgeport. The number is a convenient way to address the line. Such as take the No.2, or take Line 2. The misuse of the term line complicated the description of the Canada Line in the article, such as when describing its length. The length of the track system is only relevant to reveal the scale of the construction project but does little to convey the contribution it makes to the transportation network.
ps.As far as branding is concerned as discussed above why don't people just call the system the Vancouver Metro Light Rail Network, line 1, Line 2, etc. Unlike the term Skytrain this can easily include surface LRT. Even more general: the Intercity Rapid Transit Network including the above light rail network, as well as any Rapid Bus and Express Bus services, connecting the regional town centers.
Whatever2009 ( talk) 06:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that on several occasions, references to Capstan Way Station have been removed. Although the nearby development project was canceled, and therefore the station won't be built according to the original timeline, it doesn't mean it won't be built in the future. I've seen recent (July 2009) videos of tours of Canada Line, and on one of them, the guide mentioned that Capstan Way is one of the locations for a future station. Even if Capstan Way is completely canceled, it doesn't mean all reference to it should be removed; a paragraph of explanation would be more helpful. I'm re-adding Capstan Way Station as proposed. If anyone believes it has been completely canceled, please add information to that effect (with references), rather than removing information. Thanks! Klparrot ( talk) 19:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
The map on Canada Line's website still says future though. Canada Line Map —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.234.106 ( talk) 04:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Some parts of Cambie (south of King Ed) were built by boring, weren't they? I do not recall any cut & cover from King Ed to 33rd - even when only one side of median was open, the road on the east side was the original, as I recall -- JimWae ( talk) 06:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
There's no mention of boring being used there on the Canada Line construction site.
The cut-and-cover construction will be used: Along Granville Street from north of Pender Street to Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, and along Cambie Street from 2nd Avenue to 64th Avenue (Tunnel Portal area). [1]
Vortigern ( talk) 09:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
All that maks sense - but how did they keep so much of the old blacktop intact - on both sides of the street - from King Ed to 29th? -- JimWae ( talk) 18:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I drove Cambie often. The pavement from KingEd south for about 2 blocks was intact on both sides. On the east side, they stored equipment atop the old pavement. Traffic flowed on the west side. You can see the pavement in the photo you indicated. -- JimWae ( talk) 01:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The System Map places Vancouver City Center, North of granville station, when in reality it is south of it. While the map is topologically correct, I believe that it is heavily misleading since some geographical accuracy is implied. SJrX10 ( talk) 23:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
This article has a guy saying that the stations are too short and will be hard to upgrade (he also says that it is "single track" for a portion, I guess he's talking about the stacked part). Is this legitimate criticism? Will 100,000 people a day be reasonable, and what happens if ridership grows beyond that? Should this be in the criticism section? TastyCakes ( talk) 14:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The seating figure in the train specs doesn't mention the actual number of seats. Anyone have this? rakslice ( talk) 06:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
It looks to me like a 15 – 20 kilometer extension south could take the Canada Line to the ferry terminal at Tsawwassen. Has there been any suggestion that this might be done some day, any study of the feasability?
I ended up changing the electrical components listed from Bombardier to Mitsubishi Electric. The reason is that there is no solid information available anywhere from Bombardier themselves and also have not been able to find any information from an independent site stating this. As for Mitsubishi Electric, I had found a profile of a project manager who was responsible for testing and installation of electrical components, including propulsion and HVAC systems. The rationale for updating to Mitsubishi is that there at least is some documentation that can be verified, even if it is a LinkedIn profile for a project manager. After all, a project manager for Mitsubishi would not be installing Bombardier systems when Bombardier was not permitted to bid on the Canada Line itself. If the article were to revert back to listing Bombardier MITRAC, there needs to be solid evidence presented with weblinks. Prior to my update and revert, there was nothing listed that can be viewed. Babyox4420 ( talk) 18:42, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
There are new ridership numbers in the info boxes for most stations now. Thank you to the anonymous contributor. The facts are not currently cited, but instructions to verify have been offered by the contributor. Discussion is here: Verification/calculation procedure for transit ridership numbers. I hope these facts can remain, but we have to come up with a way to cite them so future readers can verify the facts. Note that the instructions are not easy (I have been unable to verify), but I don't know if this really matters. Another editor noted that the figures may be from a Primary Source and, thus, not as good as if the information was reported by a reliable Secondary Source. Anyways, the discussion is probably best centralized over here, rather than here or in individual station article talk pages. -- Ds13 ( talk) 21:43, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
To simplify the timeline I removed some of the following things about the inability of Translink to come to a decision. I don't think it is really relevant any more now that the project has been approved. However, I will leave it here for the entertainment of our readers:
I added a link to canadaline I assumed it was a website built by the Fed/Prov. Gov't I hope this is correct.
Is it time to move this article to Canada Line? Ground Zero | t 15:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I like the map on the front page but thought I'd note here that the 'False Creek South' station is missing and the 'Davie' Station is called 'Yaletown' apparently. -- Phillipe83 7:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a source for the assertion that serious consideration was given to calling it the ‘Olympic Line’ (since TransLink have been so careful to stress that this is not an Olympic project), let alone that there was ever any intention to use the name ‘RAV’ when it went into service? David Arthur 16:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Something doesn't add up here... "There have been recent complaints about the location of the Broadway-City Hall station. Critics say that it is not close enough to Broadway and it is too far _north_ on Cambie St. Officials have taken this complaint seriously and they are debating whether or not to move the station _north_ 50 metres, so it will be closer to Broadway"... If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that the proposed site is too far _south_ judging by this document http://www.canadaline.ca/files/uploads/docs/doc65.pdf 24.80.100.72 05:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I've posted online a collection of Creative Commons licensed photograph of the construction of the Canada Line at http://canadalinephotos.blogspot.com/ that may be of interest for this article. -- Tafyrn ( talk) 06:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Several trains are apparently now sitting in plain view in the yard at Bridgeport station — can anyone get a good photograph of one of them to replace the artist’s image that appears in the article at the moment? David Arthur ( talk) 19:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
An IP has changed 2011 into year 2014. Is there any reason for this? -- Klaus with K ( talk) 15:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone read anything about why the name was changed from RAV to Canada Line. To me, RAV or Olympic Line make the most sense! -- Phillipe83 7:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
A recent edit added the following:
The Canada Line, formerly known as the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver Line ("RAV Line"), is a new rapid transit line of the Greater Vancouver Transportation Authority (TransLink) currently under construction. The line will be the third in Greater Vancouver, Canada and will be added to the existing rapid transit system but will not use linear induction motor technology. Thus it will not be branded "SkyTrain" and the system will simply be branded the Canada Line.
Is there any documentary evidence of this? It's fully possible, of course. But Bombardier's branding for the technology behind the existing SkyTrain system is actually " Bombardier Advanced Rapid Transit"; SkyTrain is Translink's branding for its rapid transit. In theory, there's nothing stopping Translink from branding all its rapid transit lines as "SkyTrain" (and even using the same branding for the light rail Evergreen Line). I have no idea one way or the other, but unless Translink has issued some definitive edict on the subject, I don't think we should make this claim. -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
An update: though we can't be certain until launch, it's starting to look like this will indeed be officially a SkyTrain line. TransLink's official web site is now referring to that Canada Line as 'SkyTrain's newest line', and comparing its rolling stock to 'other SkyTrain cars'. David Arthur ( talk) 16:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the Canada Line official mark belongs to TransLink (SCBCTA) and the SkyTrain official mark belongs to BC Transit (which operated the public transit in Vancouver at the time of SkyTrain's launch). Of course, BC Transit & TransLink may have entered into agreements that limit their use of these; anyone know anything about that? rakslice ( talk) 22:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
According to the Canada Line Office the line is 18.428 kilometers long excluding the OMC. According to my best measurements and calculations Waterfront to Bridgeport is 11.1 kilometers. The track splits at Bridgeport station, with one track going to YVR being 3.9 kilometers and the track going to Richmond Center being 3.4 kilometers. This puts the total non-OMC track length at 18.4 kilometers. Since these numbers are not from published sources (ie.original research) I will just leave them in the discussion page. The length of the two "lines" is:
or, if you prefer, the length of the main line is
and the length of the spur line is
Whatever2009 ( talk) 20:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
There has been some discussion regarding the meaning of the word "line". The most basic geometric definition of a line is a just that: a line, such as a straight line, or a curved line. A line is formed by drawing a pencil accross a piece of paper without lifting the pencil. If you lift the pencil and draw another line, well, then you have two lines. In some countries the definition of a line is strictly adhered to such as for tramlines in Belgium. In England, however, subway track systems are called lines. For example, the Picadilly Line is similar to the Canada Line. The Line in Canada Line or RAV Line also refers to a track system. Such usage is regrettable as it undermines the usefulness of the word line to mean a single route from point A to point B. The term Canada Line now has little meaning other han a brand as dicussed above. It must now be supplemented by the statement Airport or Richmond. However, in their presence, the Canada Line term become unnecessary; it no longer carries any useful information. It may make more sense to just number lines 1,2,3 and state their destination, such as 2, to Airport via Bridgeport. The number is a convenient way to address the line. Such as take the No.2, or take Line 2. The misuse of the term line complicated the description of the Canada Line in the article, such as when describing its length. The length of the track system is only relevant to reveal the scale of the construction project but does little to convey the contribution it makes to the transportation network.
ps.As far as branding is concerned as discussed above why don't people just call the system the Vancouver Metro Light Rail Network, line 1, Line 2, etc. Unlike the term Skytrain this can easily include surface LRT. Even more general: the Intercity Rapid Transit Network including the above light rail network, as well as any Rapid Bus and Express Bus services, connecting the regional town centers.
Whatever2009 ( talk) 06:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that on several occasions, references to Capstan Way Station have been removed. Although the nearby development project was canceled, and therefore the station won't be built according to the original timeline, it doesn't mean it won't be built in the future. I've seen recent (July 2009) videos of tours of Canada Line, and on one of them, the guide mentioned that Capstan Way is one of the locations for a future station. Even if Capstan Way is completely canceled, it doesn't mean all reference to it should be removed; a paragraph of explanation would be more helpful. I'm re-adding Capstan Way Station as proposed. If anyone believes it has been completely canceled, please add information to that effect (with references), rather than removing information. Thanks! Klparrot ( talk) 19:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
The map on Canada Line's website still says future though. Canada Line Map —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.234.106 ( talk) 04:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Some parts of Cambie (south of King Ed) were built by boring, weren't they? I do not recall any cut & cover from King Ed to 33rd - even when only one side of median was open, the road on the east side was the original, as I recall -- JimWae ( talk) 06:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
There's no mention of boring being used there on the Canada Line construction site.
The cut-and-cover construction will be used: Along Granville Street from north of Pender Street to Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, and along Cambie Street from 2nd Avenue to 64th Avenue (Tunnel Portal area). [1]
Vortigern ( talk) 09:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
All that maks sense - but how did they keep so much of the old blacktop intact - on both sides of the street - from King Ed to 29th? -- JimWae ( talk) 18:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I drove Cambie often. The pavement from KingEd south for about 2 blocks was intact on both sides. On the east side, they stored equipment atop the old pavement. Traffic flowed on the west side. You can see the pavement in the photo you indicated. -- JimWae ( talk) 01:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The System Map places Vancouver City Center, North of granville station, when in reality it is south of it. While the map is topologically correct, I believe that it is heavily misleading since some geographical accuracy is implied. SJrX10 ( talk) 23:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
This article has a guy saying that the stations are too short and will be hard to upgrade (he also says that it is "single track" for a portion, I guess he's talking about the stacked part). Is this legitimate criticism? Will 100,000 people a day be reasonable, and what happens if ridership grows beyond that? Should this be in the criticism section? TastyCakes ( talk) 14:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The seating figure in the train specs doesn't mention the actual number of seats. Anyone have this? rakslice ( talk) 06:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
It looks to me like a 15 – 20 kilometer extension south could take the Canada Line to the ferry terminal at Tsawwassen. Has there been any suggestion that this might be done some day, any study of the feasability?
I ended up changing the electrical components listed from Bombardier to Mitsubishi Electric. The reason is that there is no solid information available anywhere from Bombardier themselves and also have not been able to find any information from an independent site stating this. As for Mitsubishi Electric, I had found a profile of a project manager who was responsible for testing and installation of electrical components, including propulsion and HVAC systems. The rationale for updating to Mitsubishi is that there at least is some documentation that can be verified, even if it is a LinkedIn profile for a project manager. After all, a project manager for Mitsubishi would not be installing Bombardier systems when Bombardier was not permitted to bid on the Canada Line itself. If the article were to revert back to listing Bombardier MITRAC, there needs to be solid evidence presented with weblinks. Prior to my update and revert, there was nothing listed that can be viewed. Babyox4420 ( talk) 18:42, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
There are new ridership numbers in the info boxes for most stations now. Thank you to the anonymous contributor. The facts are not currently cited, but instructions to verify have been offered by the contributor. Discussion is here: Verification/calculation procedure for transit ridership numbers. I hope these facts can remain, but we have to come up with a way to cite them so future readers can verify the facts. Note that the instructions are not easy (I have been unable to verify), but I don't know if this really matters. Another editor noted that the figures may be from a Primary Source and, thus, not as good as if the information was reported by a reliable Secondary Source. Anyways, the discussion is probably best centralized over here, rather than here or in individual station article talk pages. -- Ds13 ( talk) 21:43, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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Does anyone know if the new vehicles will be compatible with the existing SkyTrain lines? Will a new vehicle yard need to be built for them? -- Jfruh 16:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I posted a fairly large amount of information about an incident that happened at Olympic Village Station on August 13, 2015 and a majority got deleted. The majority was comments from reddit speculating as to what happened and I clearly marked it as from social media to let people know that it was from social media, namely reddit. Here is a link to the old revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Olympic_Village_Station&oldid=677466992 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cganuelas ( talk • contribs) 01:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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