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There is a much more extensive entry for this in Spanish Wikipedia ( https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_Real_de_Tierra_Adentro). A quick, simple translation of it would improve this entry's quality significantly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.81.82 ( talk) 17:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Asiaticus, i just noticed your linking to the Camino Real in New Mexico article which i developed somewhat, and, hmm, you seem to be editing there now. I am glad you are developing this stuff.
Here in this overall article about the whole thing, it certainly would be good to have U.S. historic sites that are sections of the trail recognized, including explicitly in the map which currently only shows dots within Mexico. I like that map, and I see that behind the scenes it is just constructed within the "Location" section by lines like {{location map~ |Mexico |position= left|lat=20.0985|long=-99.827222}}. Which should be easy to continue up through Texas and New Mexico. Which should include San Juan Pueblo, New Mexico, apparently the actual terminus just a bit past Santa Fe, and various points along the way.
FYI, the exact locations (coordinates) of the 14 U.S. NRHP-listed trail sections are unfortunately not yet easily known, because they were "address-restricted". I think these are all sections which have historic integrity and evoke the past trail, such as untouched original roadway pieces which happened to go up a steep slope, so that later modern roadways were all routed differently. These are certainly interesting sections to include specifically as dots, if/when their locations can be disclosed, which I think should be done. I meant to press the New Mexico department of historic preservation about whether some or all of these could be disclosed. But also there are dot locations where the exact route of the trail is knwon and is now a city street, say, which could also be dots on that map.
Also I presume this is like the Natchez Trace and the Chisholm Trail and other trails where there were, historically, variations and splits and rejoinings and so on, so the dots won't all line up in one path. The Mexico dots look like they do not define just one path.
Do you agree? Comments? -- Doncram ( talk) 00:25, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Doncram Somewhat belatedly, it is true there were several paths that the road took over time or more often by travelers using horses and mules (faster) vs those with herds or wagons (slower). For a time from the 1650s, the El Paso, area had missions established and a Presidio. The area was the lower part of Nuevo Mexico, the commander of the Presidio being the Lt. Governor. Following the Revolt the area south of the Jornada del Muerto was the only remaining part of the province. It became the base for the recovery of the north. The Piro refugees, (skilled agriculturists) and their pueblos became the foundation of successful settlement and base for the reconquista of the north. Some time after that the lower region became part of the Chihuahua province, in the early 18th century I think. Torok's book has a lot of history of the whole road and its settlements from northern Chihuahua to its apex, lots of references to everything talked about. I have been reading "The Presidio and Militia on the Northern Frontier of New Spain 1570 - 1700, Vol.One by T. H. Naylor and C. W. Polzer that tells a lot about the early history Mexican sections of the road. Regarding the Map(s) I think one extending from Mexico to northern New Mexico. It should be larger so there is adequate room for labels. Also separate maps for New Mexico and West Texas/Northern Chihuahua.
Asiaticus ( talk) 01:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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There is a much more extensive entry for this in Spanish Wikipedia ( https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_Real_de_Tierra_Adentro). A quick, simple translation of it would improve this entry's quality significantly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.81.82 ( talk) 17:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Asiaticus, i just noticed your linking to the Camino Real in New Mexico article which i developed somewhat, and, hmm, you seem to be editing there now. I am glad you are developing this stuff.
Here in this overall article about the whole thing, it certainly would be good to have U.S. historic sites that are sections of the trail recognized, including explicitly in the map which currently only shows dots within Mexico. I like that map, and I see that behind the scenes it is just constructed within the "Location" section by lines like {{location map~ |Mexico |position= left|lat=20.0985|long=-99.827222}}. Which should be easy to continue up through Texas and New Mexico. Which should include San Juan Pueblo, New Mexico, apparently the actual terminus just a bit past Santa Fe, and various points along the way.
FYI, the exact locations (coordinates) of the 14 U.S. NRHP-listed trail sections are unfortunately not yet easily known, because they were "address-restricted". I think these are all sections which have historic integrity and evoke the past trail, such as untouched original roadway pieces which happened to go up a steep slope, so that later modern roadways were all routed differently. These are certainly interesting sections to include specifically as dots, if/when their locations can be disclosed, which I think should be done. I meant to press the New Mexico department of historic preservation about whether some or all of these could be disclosed. But also there are dot locations where the exact route of the trail is knwon and is now a city street, say, which could also be dots on that map.
Also I presume this is like the Natchez Trace and the Chisholm Trail and other trails where there were, historically, variations and splits and rejoinings and so on, so the dots won't all line up in one path. The Mexico dots look like they do not define just one path.
Do you agree? Comments? -- Doncram ( talk) 00:25, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Doncram Somewhat belatedly, it is true there were several paths that the road took over time or more often by travelers using horses and mules (faster) vs those with herds or wagons (slower). For a time from the 1650s, the El Paso, area had missions established and a Presidio. The area was the lower part of Nuevo Mexico, the commander of the Presidio being the Lt. Governor. Following the Revolt the area south of the Jornada del Muerto was the only remaining part of the province. It became the base for the recovery of the north. The Piro refugees, (skilled agriculturists) and their pueblos became the foundation of successful settlement and base for the reconquista of the north. Some time after that the lower region became part of the Chihuahua province, in the early 18th century I think. Torok's book has a lot of history of the whole road and its settlements from northern Chihuahua to its apex, lots of references to everything talked about. I have been reading "The Presidio and Militia on the Northern Frontier of New Spain 1570 - 1700, Vol.One by T. H. Naylor and C. W. Polzer that tells a lot about the early history Mexican sections of the road. Regarding the Map(s) I think one extending from Mexico to northern New Mexico. It should be larger so there is adequate room for labels. Also separate maps for New Mexico and West Texas/Northern Chihuahua.
Asiaticus ( talk) 01:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)