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This article is much more interesting to read after recent additions, but many statements are referenced to some file in the archives of a college, "O'Brien, Susan. Research Files on Camilla Hall, 1967-1976. CAMC Collection 30. Gustavus Adolphus Archives, St. Peter, Minnesota.
http://gustavus.edu/academics/library/archives/CAMC0030.php. In particular, my concern is with "Biographical Notes from Hall Family. Papers Concerning Camilla Hall and George F. and Lorena Hall, 1938-1995." This sounds like a primary source, and Wikipedia looks for
reliable secondary sources. Does that archive have some fact checking process, so we can be assured that the statements are correct? O'Brien is stated to be a high school friend of Hall. Text in this article should be cited in every case to a particular document in that archive, some of which are apparently press clippings, thus probably considered reliable sources, and others seem to be original letters from Hall or other family statements, which might not be considered primary sources and less appropriate as references in Wikipedia. If it came from reliable secondary sources they should be identified, such as a news clipping. If it is primary source, such as O'Brien's personal knowledge, or a reminiscence by George of Lorena Hall, or a letter from Camilla to them, that should be made clear. Wikipedia is not generally an appropriate place for the first publication of such primary sources. A book or magazine article would be a better venue. Some of the recent additions may not satisfy the need for
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Camilla Hall's notability comes only with her connection with the Symbionese Liberation Army and the LA shootout. Her significance in the organization and this event is not substantiated and is likely minimal. Urging deletion under WP:BIO1E.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kphawkins ( talk • contribs)
(Sorry if I'm using the Talk page incorrectly here, it's not something I've used often.)
The word "native" to refer to coloured people in colonies is, I think universally a racist usage; I'm familiar with it from the Victorian books I read in childhood, and it tended to be accompanied by terms such as "fuzzy-wuzzies" and the like. Perhaps this is no longer so; in that case a good test would be to refer to English people as "the natives" in a discussion with Nigel Farage and see what response you get.
It's a word one should be very cautious indeed in including in a statement about a European person's relationship with Africans.
Google's Ngram Viewer shows a steady decline in the use of the term from 1800, possibly because of this unpleasant connotation. Pageturners ( talk) 07:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
How is it that nowhere in this article is the word "terror" used, nor is this woman correctly identified as a "terrorist"? It reads like it was written by one of her parents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C401:72D0:10E5:D11F:34F3:3400 ( talk) 21:39, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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This article is much more interesting to read after recent additions, but many statements are referenced to some file in the archives of a college, "O'Brien, Susan. Research Files on Camilla Hall, 1967-1976. CAMC Collection 30. Gustavus Adolphus Archives, St. Peter, Minnesota.
http://gustavus.edu/academics/library/archives/CAMC0030.php. In particular, my concern is with "Biographical Notes from Hall Family. Papers Concerning Camilla Hall and George F. and Lorena Hall, 1938-1995." This sounds like a primary source, and Wikipedia looks for
reliable secondary sources. Does that archive have some fact checking process, so we can be assured that the statements are correct? O'Brien is stated to be a high school friend of Hall. Text in this article should be cited in every case to a particular document in that archive, some of which are apparently press clippings, thus probably considered reliable sources, and others seem to be original letters from Hall or other family statements, which might not be considered primary sources and less appropriate as references in Wikipedia. If it came from reliable secondary sources they should be identified, such as a news clipping. If it is primary source, such as O'Brien's personal knowledge, or a reminiscence by George of Lorena Hall, or a letter from Camilla to them, that should be made clear. Wikipedia is not generally an appropriate place for the first publication of such primary sources. A book or magazine article would be a better venue. Some of the recent additions may not satisfy the need for
verifiability or
reliaable sources, even though added in good faith to improve the article.
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Camilla Hall's notability comes only with her connection with the Symbionese Liberation Army and the LA shootout. Her significance in the organization and this event is not substantiated and is likely minimal. Urging deletion under WP:BIO1E.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kphawkins ( talk • contribs)
(Sorry if I'm using the Talk page incorrectly here, it's not something I've used often.)
The word "native" to refer to coloured people in colonies is, I think universally a racist usage; I'm familiar with it from the Victorian books I read in childhood, and it tended to be accompanied by terms such as "fuzzy-wuzzies" and the like. Perhaps this is no longer so; in that case a good test would be to refer to English people as "the natives" in a discussion with Nigel Farage and see what response you get.
It's a word one should be very cautious indeed in including in a statement about a European person's relationship with Africans.
Google's Ngram Viewer shows a steady decline in the use of the term from 1800, possibly because of this unpleasant connotation. Pageturners ( talk) 07:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
How is it that nowhere in this article is the word "terror" used, nor is this woman correctly identified as a "terrorist"? It reads like it was written by one of her parents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C401:72D0:10E5:D11F:34F3:3400 ( talk) 21:39, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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