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... that Callaghan MacCarty left his life as a
Catholic monk in France and converted to
Protestantism to become the third
Earl of Clancarty? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ...", Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 9: "... he d. 'out of the communion of the Church of England.'"
ALT1:... that Callaghan MacCarty converted from
Catholicism to
Protestantism in order to become
Earl of Clancarty, but died a Catholic? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ...", Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 9: "... he d. 'out of the communion of the Church of England.'"
ALT2:... that Callaghan MacCarty left his life as a
Catholic monk in France to become the third
Earl of Clancarty? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ..."
Reviewed: As I have less than 5 DYK's, I am opting not to review.
Although this was converted into a redirect the day before nom, has 3673 b of prose, and there are hooks interesting, the hooks barely fail
WP:POSA and, most importantly, article has sourcing gaps and I'm not sure if the timeline is encyclopedic. Can somebody help
CaptainEek and
Johannes Schade fix them?
ミラP18:04, 16 January 2020 (UTC)reply
??? You mean from a redirect, surely. What
WP:POSA issues do you see? The (hidden) timeline looks fine to me, & isn't really a DYK issue. Sourcing seems ok for DYK.
Johnbod (
talk)
20:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Johnbod: Sorry, forgot to respond. Original hook looks fine. But everything in timeline needs sources or you can remove the timeline altogether.
ミラP14:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not doing anything - just drive-by comments. But these don't sound like DYK issues to me. After 6 weeks I think a new reviewer might be a good idea.
Johnbod (
talk)
14:58, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I unfortunately do not have time to do a full review right now, but I think the original hook sounds interesting and does provide some astonishment. It's not that common for Catholic monks to convert to another religion right?
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew23:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Miraclepine is currently indefinitely blocked from editing, and as no one else has picked up reviewing this since then, I'll be continuing their review. I am noting their size and creation check. Earwigs is slow so I can't check for close paraphrasing. The wording of the article also sounds a bit strange to me, but I'm not sure if this is just an ENGVAR issue. There are also certain words in the article that don't seem encyclopedic, such as "sadly". In the paragraph which has the sentence By this advancement the title of viscount..., does the footnote at the start reference the whole paragraph? If that were the case, I would suggest moving the footnote to the end. No QPQ needed.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew10:31, 21 March 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Narutolovehinata5:, Thanks for taking a look! I have gone through and given the article a copyedit, hopefully that clears up most issues. I have also put that footnote in the right place. Let me know if there are further issues, I know the wording is a bit odd in places, I think that's because some of it is from some archaic sources which use...stranger versions of English than we now do.
CaptainEekEdits Ho Cap'n!⚓19:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I was disappointed to see that the article has still not been added to the GOCE Requests page, so I did so myself. Unfortunately, the backlog has grown quite a bit, so it will probably take three to four weeks before someone gets to it.
BlueMoonset (
talk)
02:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
New enough (as a converted redirect), long enough, hooks cited, main, alt1 and alt2 all acceptable, nocopyvio detected, nom has 3 DYK credits so QPQ not required.
On the previous comments, the prose looks ok to me, imo we should only reject if for DYK if it is so bad that it would be an embarrasment to put it on the front page. I'm not too bothered that the family tree is uncited; most of it is cited in the body of the article or the articles of the subject's parents. However, there is no cite for two of his siblings, Dennis and Honora, and it is not obvious where that information came from. Also, the claim that his wife was a Protestant is uncited.
SpinningSpark13:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Spinningspark, Johannes and I have cleaned things up a bit, removing the extra sibling and the claim of his wife's religion (it would certainly have been protestant, since there were not mixed religious marriages in that time, but that also means that its not really a necessary encyclopedic fact).
CaptainEekEdits Ho Cap'n!⚓21:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)reply
A fact from Callaghan MacCarty, 3rd Earl of Clancarty appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 April 2020 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that Callaghan MacCarty left his life as a
Catholic monk in France and converted to
Protestantism to become the third
Earl of Clancarty? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ...", Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 9: "... he d. 'out of the communion of the Church of England.'"
ALT1:... that Callaghan MacCarty converted from
Catholicism to
Protestantism in order to become
Earl of Clancarty, but died a Catholic? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ...", Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 9: "... he d. 'out of the communion of the Church of England.'"
ALT2:... that Callaghan MacCarty left his life as a
Catholic monk in France to become the third
Earl of Clancarty? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ..."
Reviewed: As I have less than 5 DYK's, I am opting not to review.
Although this was converted into a redirect the day before nom, has 3673 b of prose, and there are hooks interesting, the hooks barely fail
WP:POSA and, most importantly, article has sourcing gaps and I'm not sure if the timeline is encyclopedic. Can somebody help
CaptainEek and
Johannes Schade fix them?
ミラP18:04, 16 January 2020 (UTC)reply
??? You mean from a redirect, surely. What
WP:POSA issues do you see? The (hidden) timeline looks fine to me, & isn't really a DYK issue. Sourcing seems ok for DYK.
Johnbod (
talk)
20:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Johnbod: Sorry, forgot to respond. Original hook looks fine. But everything in timeline needs sources or you can remove the timeline altogether.
ミラP14:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not doing anything - just drive-by comments. But these don't sound like DYK issues to me. After 6 weeks I think a new reviewer might be a good idea.
Johnbod (
talk)
14:58, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I unfortunately do not have time to do a full review right now, but I think the original hook sounds interesting and does provide some astonishment. It's not that common for Catholic monks to convert to another religion right?
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew23:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Miraclepine is currently indefinitely blocked from editing, and as no one else has picked up reviewing this since then, I'll be continuing their review. I am noting their size and creation check. Earwigs is slow so I can't check for close paraphrasing. The wording of the article also sounds a bit strange to me, but I'm not sure if this is just an ENGVAR issue. There are also certain words in the article that don't seem encyclopedic, such as "sadly". In the paragraph which has the sentence By this advancement the title of viscount..., does the footnote at the start reference the whole paragraph? If that were the case, I would suggest moving the footnote to the end. No QPQ needed.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew10:31, 21 March 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Narutolovehinata5:, Thanks for taking a look! I have gone through and given the article a copyedit, hopefully that clears up most issues. I have also put that footnote in the right place. Let me know if there are further issues, I know the wording is a bit odd in places, I think that's because some of it is from some archaic sources which use...stranger versions of English than we now do.
CaptainEekEdits Ho Cap'n!⚓19:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I was disappointed to see that the article has still not been added to the GOCE Requests page, so I did so myself. Unfortunately, the backlog has grown quite a bit, so it will probably take three to four weeks before someone gets to it.
BlueMoonset (
talk)
02:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
New enough (as a converted redirect), long enough, hooks cited, main, alt1 and alt2 all acceptable, nocopyvio detected, nom has 3 DYK credits so QPQ not required.
On the previous comments, the prose looks ok to me, imo we should only reject if for DYK if it is so bad that it would be an embarrasment to put it on the front page. I'm not too bothered that the family tree is uncited; most of it is cited in the body of the article or the articles of the subject's parents. However, there is no cite for two of his siblings, Dennis and Honora, and it is not obvious where that information came from. Also, the claim that his wife was a Protestant is uncited.
SpinningSpark13:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Spinningspark, Johannes and I have cleaned things up a bit, removing the extra sibling and the claim of his wife's religion (it would certainly have been protestant, since there were not mixed religious marriages in that time, but that also means that its not really a necessary encyclopedic fact).
CaptainEekEdits Ho Cap'n!⚓21:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)reply