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This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. From Call Letters to call sign. Call Letters was obviously wrong. If we need to decide between call sign and callsign, we can propose another move and then discuss between those two apparently equally correct options. –Hajor 19:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
See #Requested move below.
In the American exceptions section isn't WOWT Omaha reaching also Lincoln further west then the San Antonio station? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.49.209.18 ( talk) 15:45, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
In U.S. dictionaries, the term is two words: call sign. Furthermore, the preferred term in dictionaries is call letters. I propose this article be moved to Call letters, and that Callsign and Call sign be redirected to Call letters. Kingturtle 18:37 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Or is this article about ham radio licenses? Kingturtle 18:38 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Call sign was an unnecessary disambig page. I merged it with Callsign (radio) which had the bulk of the content. I think the main article should be at Call sign. (If someone strongly prefers Callsign, I won't argue much.) -- agr 21:50, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Looks like an old copy/paste move from callsign to callsign (radio). Page histories need to be merged but they both use block-compression. Listed on WP:RM. violet/riga (t) 00:28, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
OK, I have done a permanent fix. This was somewhat complicated by the fact that since then, someone had done yet another cut and past move on the article. So, in a personal first, I merged three different histories into one! Sigh, now I discover that there were three separate talk pages, too. OK, I already merged one in, guess it's time to fold in the last one. Noel (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I have noted on the moves page that the proper title of this article should be Call sign, not Call letters (couldn't make the move myself -- got caught up in a tangle of redirects I didn't know how to deal with). The reasoning is that "call letters" are a special case of a general "call sign", mostly as applied to broadcast radio and TV stations in North America. In any case, there are other uses of the term "call sign" mentioned in this article that have nothing to do with letters, making the title of the article misleading. Haikupoet 04:20, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
moved from WP:RM:
richard english is so whitty —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.165.168 ( talk) 21:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Can i ask where the information about "VL" being part of radio call letters in AU came from? 210.49.196.232 11:42, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Yes, I'd like to know this too. It has the ring of authenticity to it, but I've spent a fair amount of effort milking google to find some evidence for it, without any result so far. Bill 19:42, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
VL is one of the international callsign prefixes assigned to Australia, and the one which the government assigned to broadcast stations. (VK is still used for amateur radio licences.) The history of Radio Adelaide, which began with callsign VL5UV (now just 5UV), can be found by searching Google for "VL5UV". Apparently, since Australia has no neighbouring countries, the ABA ( Australian Broadcasting Authority) has allowed stations to drop the VL since then. – radiojon 00:33, 2003 Oct 24 (UTC)
Does anyone know of any reason why Television call sign diverts here? Australia has a very different Television call sign format than radio call sign. -- Chuq 01:40, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The description of Australian television callsigns doesn't match what my older references show. When did the system change? (My old references, like the '94 WRTH, show callsigns in the "FM radio" format, so that the TEN station in Perth might by 6TEN, etc.) 18.26.0.18 07:26, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Can someone please explain the rules for broadcast television callsigns in this "Callsign" article? For example, some television stations in the US have multiple numbers, while some have none. Again, for example, KHOU in Houston has no numbers, while W63AU has two numbers. -- 64.128.27.82 ( talk) 19:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't ships have callsigns, too? Scriberius 18:19, 2005 May 6 (UTC)
This article doesn't seem to answer my question: why do U.S. stations have these ugly names when we get on fine without them in the UK? What is the point? Who made the decisions that led to this state of affairs and why? They aren't exactly snappy marketing tools. Please explain in the ariticle. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.35.34.11 ( talk • contribs) 02:15, 28 July 2005.
Hope that helps. ColdRedRain ( talk) 20:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Why did and do transmitters for long-range navigation systems (LORAN, DECCA, Alpha, Omega) not require callsigns? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.74.40.27 ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 9 August 2005.
I haven't fixed the double redirects (both those which point here, as well as to the article) because as the page is likely to be moved, it will be a waste of time (they'll just have to be updated again then). Noel (talk) 03:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Just to document, I removed: "Excepting this and some specialized uses for VE and VF, only the codes CB, CF, CH, CI, CJ and CK are currently in use." This is because: VE and VA are commonly used by amateur radio operators, with VF and VG used for special events. Additionally, CG is a common airplane prefix. Furthermore, this information is excessive for that section of the article and, perhaps, that whole section should be drastically shortened... 13 examples is far to many! Andrewjuren 19:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
To the best of my understanding, the CBC's use of call signs starting with CB is not the result of any international agreement between the governments of Chile and Canada. Rather, Canada unilaterally started using CB... call signs for CBC stations in 1937 — citing a 1932 treaty (the General Radiocommunication Regulations of Madrid) allowing the use of any call letters provided care was taken to avoid confusion. Since Canada is far away from Chile, Canadian officials concluded that there was no realistic possibility of confusion between Canadian and Chilean stations using CB... calls, and that there was therefore no need to get permission from Chile. The only source I can cite at the moment is that I sent an inquiry letter to Industry Canada on this subject in 1995 and got a letter back saying the above; I posted the details to the rec.radio.broadcasting USENET newsgroup on June 10, 1995. Richwales 19:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
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Although this does not directly answer this question, the
CRTC website shows a history of broadcasting in Canada, including:
Another site that gives some information is CBC Radio-Canada French Radio Network history. It states:
Hope this helps lead someone in the right direction; I'd really like to know the answer to this question! Leave me a message on my User talk page if you discover anything new -> Andrewjuren 21:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know, CKO was nominally just a Montréal station and a series of repeaters (CKO-1-FM, CKO-2-FM...). I think the content was the same on all of them. It is very unusual that a station of such recent vintage would have a three-letter callsign, though. -- 66.102.80.212 ( talk) 06:01, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
There is a tendency among radio hams to refer to a radio ham in Italy with bad operating practices (it is quite common for Italian radioamateurs to tail-end or even jam transmissions from a DXpedition by constantly calling, even while the DX station is working someone) as an 'IQ zero', although the reason is obvious, I should explain that IQ0 is one of Italy's prefixes commonly allocated to radioamateurs. I bear no malice to the Italians, I just thought this piece of ham radio information might amuse some readers. CMIIW 17:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
This is actually used, in my experience, as a term to refer to any amateur radio operator whose low IQ appears to make it impossible for them to understand the rules (both written and unwritten) of their licence. Often found leaving gaps of less than 1 second between overs and not even waiting for the tone on repeaters. (added by MM6YET)
I've commented the following section out from the aviation section:
For example a Canadian aircraft initially identified as C-GRTY might then identify as romeo tango yankee but the omission must be initiated by the air traffic services agency, not the pilot. The American aircraft mentioned above might then use seven six quebec.
as it doesn't seem to agree with either the CAA Radiotelephony Manual (paragraph 1.8.2 and table 9 being the operative sections) or the [ http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap4/aim0402.html FAA Radio Communications Phraseology and Techniques] manual. Does anyone know of a manual or some other source that mentions this use, or is it a simple mistake? Oh, and if anyone knows what me at one in the morning has got wrong with that second external link, feel free to fix it. -- Scott Wilson 00:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Just made that change. FWIW, they do exist. I've worked two of them recently in fact - 3XM6JR and 3XD2Z (Serge and Alex in Guinea). Suffixes can also have one letter - N8S, BS7H and 6Y1V are just a few examples. - Ryan 20:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The section on translators...is that referring to actual translation, or repeaters? 69.243.146.164 ( talk) 02:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Titanic's call sign was MGY. Isn't there a list somewhere of other famous ships' call signs? It would be a helpful thing to link to this article. -- Ragemanchoo82 ( talk) 05:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Removed the "rarely" from the Canadian listing as XJ through XO are commonly used for non-broadcast radio systems. The Montreal PD was XJF42 and the Montreal FD was XJJ69, as but two examples. The General Radio Service (CB in most places) used XM as a prefix for years until licenses were dropped from that service. -- plaws ( talk) 19:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
The article says that the CSM's call sign is 33A - that can't be right, as surely that would be the call sign of the commander of 3 section, 3 platoon? Jellyfish dave ( talk) 18:18, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I was looking for a list of these callsign letters
Wouldn't JY5 be the shortest callsign since ..... is shorter than .----? Nickenzi ( talk) 05:56, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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In the central part of the USA, no simple rule will distinguish locations using call letters beginning with "W" from those that start with "K". For instance, the "west of the Mississippi" rule (previously cited in the article) is violated not only by WNAX (Yankton, SD) but also by WOAI (San Antonio, TX), WIBW (Topeka, KS), WHO (Des Moines, IA) and a host of others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.245.92.7 ( talk) 19:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
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"In North America, they are used for all FCC licensed transmitters.[1]"
Shouldn't this read "In the United States..."?
I don't believe that the FCC has jurisdiction outside of the US, and I see nothing in the referenced link that suggests otherwise. PartTimeEditor ( talk) 03:10, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. From Call Letters to call sign. Call Letters was obviously wrong. If we need to decide between call sign and callsign, we can propose another move and then discuss between those two apparently equally correct options. –Hajor 19:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
See #Requested move below.
In the American exceptions section isn't WOWT Omaha reaching also Lincoln further west then the San Antonio station? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.49.209.18 ( talk) 15:45, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
In U.S. dictionaries, the term is two words: call sign. Furthermore, the preferred term in dictionaries is call letters. I propose this article be moved to Call letters, and that Callsign and Call sign be redirected to Call letters. Kingturtle 18:37 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Or is this article about ham radio licenses? Kingturtle 18:38 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Call sign was an unnecessary disambig page. I merged it with Callsign (radio) which had the bulk of the content. I think the main article should be at Call sign. (If someone strongly prefers Callsign, I won't argue much.) -- agr 21:50, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Looks like an old copy/paste move from callsign to callsign (radio). Page histories need to be merged but they both use block-compression. Listed on WP:RM. violet/riga (t) 00:28, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
OK, I have done a permanent fix. This was somewhat complicated by the fact that since then, someone had done yet another cut and past move on the article. So, in a personal first, I merged three different histories into one! Sigh, now I discover that there were three separate talk pages, too. OK, I already merged one in, guess it's time to fold in the last one. Noel (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I have noted on the moves page that the proper title of this article should be Call sign, not Call letters (couldn't make the move myself -- got caught up in a tangle of redirects I didn't know how to deal with). The reasoning is that "call letters" are a special case of a general "call sign", mostly as applied to broadcast radio and TV stations in North America. In any case, there are other uses of the term "call sign" mentioned in this article that have nothing to do with letters, making the title of the article misleading. Haikupoet 04:20, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
moved from WP:RM:
richard english is so whitty —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.165.168 ( talk) 21:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Can i ask where the information about "VL" being part of radio call letters in AU came from? 210.49.196.232 11:42, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Yes, I'd like to know this too. It has the ring of authenticity to it, but I've spent a fair amount of effort milking google to find some evidence for it, without any result so far. Bill 19:42, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
VL is one of the international callsign prefixes assigned to Australia, and the one which the government assigned to broadcast stations. (VK is still used for amateur radio licences.) The history of Radio Adelaide, which began with callsign VL5UV (now just 5UV), can be found by searching Google for "VL5UV". Apparently, since Australia has no neighbouring countries, the ABA ( Australian Broadcasting Authority) has allowed stations to drop the VL since then. – radiojon 00:33, 2003 Oct 24 (UTC)
Does anyone know of any reason why Television call sign diverts here? Australia has a very different Television call sign format than radio call sign. -- Chuq 01:40, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The description of Australian television callsigns doesn't match what my older references show. When did the system change? (My old references, like the '94 WRTH, show callsigns in the "FM radio" format, so that the TEN station in Perth might by 6TEN, etc.) 18.26.0.18 07:26, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Can someone please explain the rules for broadcast television callsigns in this "Callsign" article? For example, some television stations in the US have multiple numbers, while some have none. Again, for example, KHOU in Houston has no numbers, while W63AU has two numbers. -- 64.128.27.82 ( talk) 19:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't ships have callsigns, too? Scriberius 18:19, 2005 May 6 (UTC)
This article doesn't seem to answer my question: why do U.S. stations have these ugly names when we get on fine without them in the UK? What is the point? Who made the decisions that led to this state of affairs and why? They aren't exactly snappy marketing tools. Please explain in the ariticle. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.35.34.11 ( talk • contribs) 02:15, 28 July 2005.
Hope that helps. ColdRedRain ( talk) 20:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Why did and do transmitters for long-range navigation systems (LORAN, DECCA, Alpha, Omega) not require callsigns? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.74.40.27 ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 9 August 2005.
I haven't fixed the double redirects (both those which point here, as well as to the article) because as the page is likely to be moved, it will be a waste of time (they'll just have to be updated again then). Noel (talk) 03:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Just to document, I removed: "Excepting this and some specialized uses for VE and VF, only the codes CB, CF, CH, CI, CJ and CK are currently in use." This is because: VE and VA are commonly used by amateur radio operators, with VF and VG used for special events. Additionally, CG is a common airplane prefix. Furthermore, this information is excessive for that section of the article and, perhaps, that whole section should be drastically shortened... 13 examples is far to many! Andrewjuren 19:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
To the best of my understanding, the CBC's use of call signs starting with CB is not the result of any international agreement between the governments of Chile and Canada. Rather, Canada unilaterally started using CB... call signs for CBC stations in 1937 — citing a 1932 treaty (the General Radiocommunication Regulations of Madrid) allowing the use of any call letters provided care was taken to avoid confusion. Since Canada is far away from Chile, Canadian officials concluded that there was no realistic possibility of confusion between Canadian and Chilean stations using CB... calls, and that there was therefore no need to get permission from Chile. The only source I can cite at the moment is that I sent an inquiry letter to Industry Canada on this subject in 1995 and got a letter back saying the above; I posted the details to the rec.radio.broadcasting USENET newsgroup on June 10, 1995. Richwales 19:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Richwales's post should be visible
here on Google groups.
Andrewjuren
21:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Although this does not directly answer this question, the
CRTC website shows a history of broadcasting in Canada, including:
Another site that gives some information is CBC Radio-Canada French Radio Network history. It states:
Hope this helps lead someone in the right direction; I'd really like to know the answer to this question! Leave me a message on my User talk page if you discover anything new -> Andrewjuren 21:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know, CKO was nominally just a Montréal station and a series of repeaters (CKO-1-FM, CKO-2-FM...). I think the content was the same on all of them. It is very unusual that a station of such recent vintage would have a three-letter callsign, though. -- 66.102.80.212 ( talk) 06:01, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
There is a tendency among radio hams to refer to a radio ham in Italy with bad operating practices (it is quite common for Italian radioamateurs to tail-end or even jam transmissions from a DXpedition by constantly calling, even while the DX station is working someone) as an 'IQ zero', although the reason is obvious, I should explain that IQ0 is one of Italy's prefixes commonly allocated to radioamateurs. I bear no malice to the Italians, I just thought this piece of ham radio information might amuse some readers. CMIIW 17:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
This is actually used, in my experience, as a term to refer to any amateur radio operator whose low IQ appears to make it impossible for them to understand the rules (both written and unwritten) of their licence. Often found leaving gaps of less than 1 second between overs and not even waiting for the tone on repeaters. (added by MM6YET)
I've commented the following section out from the aviation section:
For example a Canadian aircraft initially identified as C-GRTY might then identify as romeo tango yankee but the omission must be initiated by the air traffic services agency, not the pilot. The American aircraft mentioned above might then use seven six quebec.
as it doesn't seem to agree with either the CAA Radiotelephony Manual (paragraph 1.8.2 and table 9 being the operative sections) or the [ http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap4/aim0402.html FAA Radio Communications Phraseology and Techniques] manual. Does anyone know of a manual or some other source that mentions this use, or is it a simple mistake? Oh, and if anyone knows what me at one in the morning has got wrong with that second external link, feel free to fix it. -- Scott Wilson 00:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Just made that change. FWIW, they do exist. I've worked two of them recently in fact - 3XM6JR and 3XD2Z (Serge and Alex in Guinea). Suffixes can also have one letter - N8S, BS7H and 6Y1V are just a few examples. - Ryan 20:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The section on translators...is that referring to actual translation, or repeaters? 69.243.146.164 ( talk) 02:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Titanic's call sign was MGY. Isn't there a list somewhere of other famous ships' call signs? It would be a helpful thing to link to this article. -- Ragemanchoo82 ( talk) 05:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Removed the "rarely" from the Canadian listing as XJ through XO are commonly used for non-broadcast radio systems. The Montreal PD was XJF42 and the Montreal FD was XJJ69, as but two examples. The General Radio Service (CB in most places) used XM as a prefix for years until licenses were dropped from that service. -- plaws ( talk) 19:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
The article says that the CSM's call sign is 33A - that can't be right, as surely that would be the call sign of the commander of 3 section, 3 platoon? Jellyfish dave ( talk) 18:18, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I was looking for a list of these callsign letters
Wouldn't JY5 be the shortest callsign since ..... is shorter than .----? Nickenzi ( talk) 05:56, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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In the central part of the USA, no simple rule will distinguish locations using call letters beginning with "W" from those that start with "K". For instance, the "west of the Mississippi" rule (previously cited in the article) is violated not only by WNAX (Yankton, SD) but also by WOAI (San Antonio, TX), WIBW (Topeka, KS), WHO (Des Moines, IA) and a host of others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.245.92.7 ( talk) 19:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
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"In North America, they are used for all FCC licensed transmitters.[1]"
Shouldn't this read "In the United States..."?
I don't believe that the FCC has jurisdiction outside of the US, and I see nothing in the referenced link that suggests otherwise. PartTimeEditor ( talk) 03:10, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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The redirect Callsign was usurped in February 2020 by some (likely undisclosed paid) advertising for a UK company, which I've now moved to Callsign (company), since they're very clearly not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the word "callsign". In case anyone is wondering, here's where we stand with "call sign" vs. "callsign" links on Wikipedia, even after some editors spent years "correcting" links which needed no correction because it's clearly a well-used alternative for the same thing, and then that UK company idiocy from February until a few minutes ago caused another rash of "corrections" when really the company page should have been moved:
All of those include template transclusions, not just direct use. I mention this in case, years from now, someone else claims that "callsign" isn't a well-established spelling: It's only like that because a few users went through and "corrected" everything they saw, not because other users aren't using "callsign" as a single word. -- Closeapple ( talk) 07:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)