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The third photograph in the right-hand margin is captioned "A woman playing a decorated cajón". The reference to her gender is unnecessary and could come across as patronising. I'm going to change it. I'll keep a watch on the page, but I'll assume this is OK unless anyone objects. Alec 15:21, 25 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alec.brady ( talk • contribs)
Actually I'm more miffed about the fact that it now depicts "a street musician". She's a well-known artist in the percussion scene .. so why not name her properly? (fwolf) -- 217.85.131.95 ( talk) 00:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
The reference to Boyce Avenue seems to be a pretty blatant advertisement for a band whose article also seems to be to be a fairly blatant advertisement. I can't find a reason for them to be mentioned over any other band who currently uses or has ever used the Cajón. I recommend the line for deletion. ETomeny ( talk) 03:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
The Pedal looks like a great product (i certainly want one) but it seems like a pretty obvious Ovidio Venturoso advertisement, especially with the gratuitous number of photographs. I like the idea of a "different uses of the cajón" section, but it needs to be re-written (numerous spelling/grammar problems, unnecessary details, total lack of sources, etc). If there are no objections I will also remove two of the pedal-related photographs. Chconnor ( talk) 21:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
A large amount of information has been added to the "theory" section of this page without any references - can anyone verify it? - AKeen 16:05, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
El Cajon Afro Peruano by Rafael Santa Cruz published in Lima (2004) may be a good resource. As it is in Spanish I'll seek some translating assistance and see what can be gleaned from it.
User:Barcovelero If you can acquire a copy of the book for me I'll be more than glad to help with translating it. Pasaxero ( talk) 07:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the fact that there needs to be some sources added. The story of Paco de Lucía introducing it to Flamenco is popular, but there is evidence it was used before the 70s. I'd also like to take the opportunity to say that it should be better clarified that the "MODERN" cajón as we know it today came from Perú, but that cajones have been used African, Afro-American, and Afro-Mestizo communities since the colonial eras. There also needs to be more clarification on the differences between, the Flamenco Cajón which employs snares, and finger playing techniques which resemble Middle-Eastern styles rather than West African ones (the Tablas, and Djembes being traditional Flamenco percussion). Peruvian cajones don't have the snares and thus create a different sound. Pasaxero ( talk) 07:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Again, huge amounts of information that change the article keep being added. Whoever is adding them needs to cite their sources. These changes are pretty dramatic, ie turnign the entire focus of the article to the gypsy heritage of the cajon as being more important than the African one. If the above book has been used a source, it needs to be cited properly. It is the responsibility of the person who adds the information to cite their own resources. - AKeen 13:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
This is clearly poor advertising that has no relevance to the discussion of the instrument. Borohachi ( talk) 07:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it that in Perú they hit on the front, there is some snare effect and there is a hole in the back while in Cuba they hit on the top, there is no snare effect and the hole is in the bottom like in a conga? Barcovelero ( talk) 15:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The Peruvian & Cuban cajones are very similar, neither had a snare effect originally. The Spanish version first incorporated strings and is very recent (circa 1980's). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.216.16 ( talk) 16:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
The article needs to be expanded to cover other Latin American countries and traditional musical genres that have used the cajón. For example it has been introduced to Son Jarocho from eastern Mexico, and has been used since the 1920s and possibly before, in "Conjuntos de Arpa" in the tradition of the Mexican "Son de Tierra Caliente" which are from Western Mexico and the forerunners to the modern Mariachi. It is still used in Son Abajeño (Jalisco, Michoacán, Guerrero) where it could be either the peruvian type cajón or the flamenco one with nylon strings inside of them. It is also used in Louisianne music Zydeco a lot. It would also be nice if someone know more about development of cajón that is going on, like the "Homero Chavez" model from Kotz that includes clappers on the side for a castanet sound, Cajones with adjustable rattlers/snares that can be "converted" from Peruvian style to Flamenco style. The square, and octagonal ones from Cuba that resemble tumbadoras, and a giant one on stands, that is divided down the middle effectively giving one the range of two cajones (I'll try to acquire a picture). Pasaxero ( talk) 07:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned that this page is being used as advertising space by Kotzen drums. All the images are Kotzen images, and the paragraph about kotz cajones reads like an ad.
I would also like an explanation why the link to fat congas, who introduced the cajon to the u.s. musical market in 1992 is being removed? It is as relevent a link as the other external links. What is the justification in removing the ad? Ogunswife ( talk) 07:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Added an external link to Drummerworld and Hakim Ludin playing the cajon. Thought it would be nice to have a visual. Regards GetAgrippa ( talk) 22:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Category:Percussion instruments by playing technique doesn't seem to have a suitable catagory for this... or is it Category:Hand percussion? Doesn't really fit. Andrewa ( talk) 13:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
See Category talk:Percussion instruments by playing technique#Cajón. Andrewa ( talk) 21:17, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
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The third photograph in the right-hand margin is captioned "A woman playing a decorated cajón". The reference to her gender is unnecessary and could come across as patronising. I'm going to change it. I'll keep a watch on the page, but I'll assume this is OK unless anyone objects. Alec 15:21, 25 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alec.brady ( talk • contribs)
Actually I'm more miffed about the fact that it now depicts "a street musician". She's a well-known artist in the percussion scene .. so why not name her properly? (fwolf) -- 217.85.131.95 ( talk) 00:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
The reference to Boyce Avenue seems to be a pretty blatant advertisement for a band whose article also seems to be to be a fairly blatant advertisement. I can't find a reason for them to be mentioned over any other band who currently uses or has ever used the Cajón. I recommend the line for deletion. ETomeny ( talk) 03:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
The Pedal looks like a great product (i certainly want one) but it seems like a pretty obvious Ovidio Venturoso advertisement, especially with the gratuitous number of photographs. I like the idea of a "different uses of the cajón" section, but it needs to be re-written (numerous spelling/grammar problems, unnecessary details, total lack of sources, etc). If there are no objections I will also remove two of the pedal-related photographs. Chconnor ( talk) 21:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
A large amount of information has been added to the "theory" section of this page without any references - can anyone verify it? - AKeen 16:05, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
El Cajon Afro Peruano by Rafael Santa Cruz published in Lima (2004) may be a good resource. As it is in Spanish I'll seek some translating assistance and see what can be gleaned from it.
User:Barcovelero If you can acquire a copy of the book for me I'll be more than glad to help with translating it. Pasaxero ( talk) 07:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the fact that there needs to be some sources added. The story of Paco de Lucía introducing it to Flamenco is popular, but there is evidence it was used before the 70s. I'd also like to take the opportunity to say that it should be better clarified that the "MODERN" cajón as we know it today came from Perú, but that cajones have been used African, Afro-American, and Afro-Mestizo communities since the colonial eras. There also needs to be more clarification on the differences between, the Flamenco Cajón which employs snares, and finger playing techniques which resemble Middle-Eastern styles rather than West African ones (the Tablas, and Djembes being traditional Flamenco percussion). Peruvian cajones don't have the snares and thus create a different sound. Pasaxero ( talk) 07:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Again, huge amounts of information that change the article keep being added. Whoever is adding them needs to cite their sources. These changes are pretty dramatic, ie turnign the entire focus of the article to the gypsy heritage of the cajon as being more important than the African one. If the above book has been used a source, it needs to be cited properly. It is the responsibility of the person who adds the information to cite their own resources. - AKeen 13:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
This is clearly poor advertising that has no relevance to the discussion of the instrument. Borohachi ( talk) 07:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it that in Perú they hit on the front, there is some snare effect and there is a hole in the back while in Cuba they hit on the top, there is no snare effect and the hole is in the bottom like in a conga? Barcovelero ( talk) 15:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The Peruvian & Cuban cajones are very similar, neither had a snare effect originally. The Spanish version first incorporated strings and is very recent (circa 1980's). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.216.16 ( talk) 16:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
The article needs to be expanded to cover other Latin American countries and traditional musical genres that have used the cajón. For example it has been introduced to Son Jarocho from eastern Mexico, and has been used since the 1920s and possibly before, in "Conjuntos de Arpa" in the tradition of the Mexican "Son de Tierra Caliente" which are from Western Mexico and the forerunners to the modern Mariachi. It is still used in Son Abajeño (Jalisco, Michoacán, Guerrero) where it could be either the peruvian type cajón or the flamenco one with nylon strings inside of them. It is also used in Louisianne music Zydeco a lot. It would also be nice if someone know more about development of cajón that is going on, like the "Homero Chavez" model from Kotz that includes clappers on the side for a castanet sound, Cajones with adjustable rattlers/snares that can be "converted" from Peruvian style to Flamenco style. The square, and octagonal ones from Cuba that resemble tumbadoras, and a giant one on stands, that is divided down the middle effectively giving one the range of two cajones (I'll try to acquire a picture). Pasaxero ( talk) 07:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned that this page is being used as advertising space by Kotzen drums. All the images are Kotzen images, and the paragraph about kotz cajones reads like an ad.
I would also like an explanation why the link to fat congas, who introduced the cajon to the u.s. musical market in 1992 is being removed? It is as relevent a link as the other external links. What is the justification in removing the ad? Ogunswife ( talk) 07:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Added an external link to Drummerworld and Hakim Ludin playing the cajon. Thought it would be nice to have a visual. Regards GetAgrippa ( talk) 22:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Category:Percussion instruments by playing technique doesn't seem to have a suitable catagory for this... or is it Category:Hand percussion? Doesn't really fit. Andrewa ( talk) 13:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
See Category talk:Percussion instruments by playing technique#Cajón. Andrewa ( talk) 21:17, 27 June 2012 (UTC)