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If I'm not mistaken, Cadillac will take the title of the oldest surviving brand name of American cars from Oldsmobile in 2009. Is this right?? Georgia guy 16:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
This section is a ridiculous apologia for General Motors and its lame LF9 Oldsmobile-developed 350 cubic inch passenger car diesel of the late '70s and early '80s, ridiculous enough to make one wonder if this is revisionism coming out of GM.
I am putting this (IMHO factual, even if it is written informally) screed up on the talk page to see what kind of reaction it gets from the community. If not too many people throw tomatoes, maybe I'll get off my duff and research it for a proper write up.
A large portion of Volkswagen, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, and Peugeot sales during this timeframe were also diesels (and other manufactures sold plenty of diesels, although in a lesser proportion of sales than the makes I enumerated); they DID NOT suffer the same early-80s mass failures as did GM's diesel V-8s.
I'm not exactly sure what the complaint is, but perhaps the content in the article has been revised since your post of 08-31-07. As far as "NPOV", I fail to see how pointing out the massive number of failures of the notoriously unreliable 'Old-Cad 350 diesel' poses an "unbiased" view. I spent 27 years in retail automtotive parts aftermarket ( sales-purchasing-inventory management ), catering almost exclusively to the DIY market, followed by 7+ years selling engines for a high-volume production engine remanufacturer in 7 states. We were selling head gaskets for the 350 Olds diesel in the early 1980's in considerable numbers: unusual considering (1) the engine had only recently been put into production and (2) individual sales of head gaskets to the DIY market were insignificant other than for the most common engines ( Chev & Ford Small Block V8's ( FelPro #7733PT and #8016PT, respectively ) ( note I still remember the part numbers after having been out of the business 19 years. ) In the remanufactured engine industry, the Olds 350 diesel was one of many 'problem child' engines: rebuilders either specialized in them, or ( more commonly ) refused to build them due to their rate of failure and the subsequent ill-will they created with clients. While some independent repair shop owners specialized in diesel-to-gas conversions, a far greater number ( at least in my own territory of 7 western states ) refused to work on them simply because the cost of engine replacement in most cases exceeded the value of the vehicles and more often than not resulted in unhappy customers and/or small-claims court suits. When a production engine rebuilding house that has won "rebuilder of the year" awards multiple times from industry trade organizations refuses to build a particular engine, that in and of itself has got to say something. The only other domestic engine design which comes close to the Olds-Cad 350 diesel in terms of unreliability and premature failure would be the early-production 4.1L aluminum-block Caddys. ( And yes, I did stop to reflect on the Pontiac 230 OHC 6, the Chevrolet L-4 140 "Vega", and the Ford 1600cc "Escorts" before I typed that previous line. ) Bias? Pointing out that a poorly-concieved engine design resulted in premature engine failures isn't bias. Thanks. Ski mohawk 09:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)Ski_Mohawk
I am removing the following paragraph for inaccuracy and POV:
Despite Cadillac's attempt to create attractive smaller cars through the Art & Science model, sales of coupes had been sluggish and the make's flagship models, such as the Eldorado, continued their perception as large and unwieldy sedans that were the province only of the older buyer. Cadillac's fortunes changed dramatically, however, with the introduction of the Escalade, a large and ostentatious luxury SUV. The Escalade was initially a favorite of rappers such as Jay-Z, whose cachet added to the Escalade's imposing size and luxurious features to make the Escalade a desired mark of wealth and status. The Escalade has undeniably introduced the Cadillac brand to a younger generation of affluent buyers, and has re-established the Cadillac name as synonymous with luxury rather than geriatricy.
No Cadillac coupe ever used the Art & Science design (and therefore had no influence on sales of coupes), and the first Escalade arrived in MY1998, before A&S. So we start off with a flawed timeline of Cadillac history, and then the paragraph ends with the POV statements regarding what the brand's name is synonymous with. While there may be some valid points in this paragraph, it really needs to be rewritten in a section that considers several influences on Cadillac's recent resurgence, rather than giving the Escalade full credit.-- Scottr76 ( talk) 05:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
It should be added to the trivia section that a Cadillac played a major part in the Seinfeld episodes "The Cadillac" and "The Money", in seasons 7 and 8 respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.13.214.254 ( talk) 23:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
There are easily 50 more pop culture references to Cadillacs. Why does this section exist at all? It should be removed. Vytal ( talk) 01:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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Friend Gedstrom: I understand his decision to erase my contribution to the history of Cadillac. Until now there was no other source of information as supplied by Murphy in his rationale for the name. After several years of research on my ancestors in the USA, I can give every one of the tests of how much he scored. Also I can give references from my book "Conspiracy in the South" published by Trafford Publishing of Canada. There is told the story of the brothers and the family Forto Cardellach New Orleans. You can also check the photographic archive of the book through Google Picasa photos and documents from one part of their country's history. I regret not being able to speak in English, but you should not be a problem with the translator of Google. You can contact me and him darétodas references you think necessary, but before blanking a contribution, given the volume of my contribution Vikipedia in Spanish, you could have requested a pre lasmpruebas. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrmauri ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
"The ads, which led to record sales for Lincoln, also reportedly embarrassed the top executives at Cadillac and GM's 14th Floor, leading Smith to ask Ford to drop "The Valet" ads for Lincoln. Donald Petersen acquiesed, in the light of a severe downturn at Cadillac, and the general code of congeniality between the Big Three auto executives."
Is there a reasonable source for this? This is Lincoln fanboy stuff otherwise. Remove it if it cannot be corroborated.
Ken ( talk) 18:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
The pictures of the 1996 deVille Concours seem irrelevant to me, as there is no mention of this car in the article. There certainly isn't the need for two pictures of the same car. Thoughts? - Brougham96 ( talk) 04:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Does somebody have a vintage Cadillac logo with the ducks on it instead of the red squares? After all, the logo used to be the crest of Cadillac. Sneakers55 ( talk) 02:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Those "ducks" were Merlettes. Ducks were never used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.254.75 ( talk) 14:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
In the The Great Depression section it says: "In 1932, after Cadillac suffered from record low sales and charges of discrimination against black customers, Alfred Sloan created a committee to consider the discontinuation of the Cadillac line. At a fateful board meeting, Cadillac president Nicholas Dreystadt heard that legendary boxer Joe Louis could not go into a dealership to buy a car, because he was black, and resorted to having a white friend make the purchase for him. Dreystadt gave the GM Board of Directors a 10 minute speech in which he advocated advertising to black consumers so as to increase sales. The Board agreed to give Dreystadt 18 months to produce results."
Joe Louis was not legendary in 1932, he was an unknown 18 year old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johhtfd ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I made some unsigned edits to the page earlier, and trimmed some of the NPOV. Before we get some "America, F*ck yeh!" fanboy here, let me say I am a Cadillac fan and now own two. But the page itself is suffering from many NPOV and unsigned statements not worthy of Wikipedia. Also, I've said it before throughout the GM articles, will those of you who work for GM PLEASE stop inserting marketing and promotional text into these articles? Not only is it blatantly obvious, its just a pain to have to clean up every day.
And to the three guys from the Ford and BMW forums who keep defacing the article: yes, I found out where you are coming from, please stop defacing it. It just irks GM and the fanboys on when they see its been filled with misleading/punishing information. If part of the article states that Cadillac made a mistake and had some horrendous problems, it doesn't need to be drilled into the article again and again, and it doesn't mean that we can just make stuff up. Scryer_360 ( talk) 21:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Cadillac went in to serious decline in the 1980s, and we should document that, not ignore it. Right now we've got one line on the 80s, nothing on the 90s, and just a few lines about the 21st century. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 21:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
This article seems absurdly short, and there is a lot of information on the individual model pages that I would love to see summarized here. I'm still not quite clear on the various "Series 60/61/70/75" compared to the model names I remember from the 60's-80's, (Sedan/Coupe deVille, Eldorado, Fleetwood) or where Fleetwood fits as either Body By or its own model. Sevesteen ( talk) 21:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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The main article shows the pre-2022 logo. Current logos are available here: https://media.gm.com/media/me/en/cadillac/company.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmatero ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
A spokesman told Fox News Autos that the color version will continue on the legacy internal combustion engine models while the new one will roll out with the electric models that will be replacing them until it becomes an all-electric brand in 2030.
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If I'm not mistaken, Cadillac will take the title of the oldest surviving brand name of American cars from Oldsmobile in 2009. Is this right?? Georgia guy 16:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
This section is a ridiculous apologia for General Motors and its lame LF9 Oldsmobile-developed 350 cubic inch passenger car diesel of the late '70s and early '80s, ridiculous enough to make one wonder if this is revisionism coming out of GM.
I am putting this (IMHO factual, even if it is written informally) screed up on the talk page to see what kind of reaction it gets from the community. If not too many people throw tomatoes, maybe I'll get off my duff and research it for a proper write up.
A large portion of Volkswagen, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, and Peugeot sales during this timeframe were also diesels (and other manufactures sold plenty of diesels, although in a lesser proportion of sales than the makes I enumerated); they DID NOT suffer the same early-80s mass failures as did GM's diesel V-8s.
I'm not exactly sure what the complaint is, but perhaps the content in the article has been revised since your post of 08-31-07. As far as "NPOV", I fail to see how pointing out the massive number of failures of the notoriously unreliable 'Old-Cad 350 diesel' poses an "unbiased" view. I spent 27 years in retail automtotive parts aftermarket ( sales-purchasing-inventory management ), catering almost exclusively to the DIY market, followed by 7+ years selling engines for a high-volume production engine remanufacturer in 7 states. We were selling head gaskets for the 350 Olds diesel in the early 1980's in considerable numbers: unusual considering (1) the engine had only recently been put into production and (2) individual sales of head gaskets to the DIY market were insignificant other than for the most common engines ( Chev & Ford Small Block V8's ( FelPro #7733PT and #8016PT, respectively ) ( note I still remember the part numbers after having been out of the business 19 years. ) In the remanufactured engine industry, the Olds 350 diesel was one of many 'problem child' engines: rebuilders either specialized in them, or ( more commonly ) refused to build them due to their rate of failure and the subsequent ill-will they created with clients. While some independent repair shop owners specialized in diesel-to-gas conversions, a far greater number ( at least in my own territory of 7 western states ) refused to work on them simply because the cost of engine replacement in most cases exceeded the value of the vehicles and more often than not resulted in unhappy customers and/or small-claims court suits. When a production engine rebuilding house that has won "rebuilder of the year" awards multiple times from industry trade organizations refuses to build a particular engine, that in and of itself has got to say something. The only other domestic engine design which comes close to the Olds-Cad 350 diesel in terms of unreliability and premature failure would be the early-production 4.1L aluminum-block Caddys. ( And yes, I did stop to reflect on the Pontiac 230 OHC 6, the Chevrolet L-4 140 "Vega", and the Ford 1600cc "Escorts" before I typed that previous line. ) Bias? Pointing out that a poorly-concieved engine design resulted in premature engine failures isn't bias. Thanks. Ski mohawk 09:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)Ski_Mohawk
I am removing the following paragraph for inaccuracy and POV:
Despite Cadillac's attempt to create attractive smaller cars through the Art & Science model, sales of coupes had been sluggish and the make's flagship models, such as the Eldorado, continued their perception as large and unwieldy sedans that were the province only of the older buyer. Cadillac's fortunes changed dramatically, however, with the introduction of the Escalade, a large and ostentatious luxury SUV. The Escalade was initially a favorite of rappers such as Jay-Z, whose cachet added to the Escalade's imposing size and luxurious features to make the Escalade a desired mark of wealth and status. The Escalade has undeniably introduced the Cadillac brand to a younger generation of affluent buyers, and has re-established the Cadillac name as synonymous with luxury rather than geriatricy.
No Cadillac coupe ever used the Art & Science design (and therefore had no influence on sales of coupes), and the first Escalade arrived in MY1998, before A&S. So we start off with a flawed timeline of Cadillac history, and then the paragraph ends with the POV statements regarding what the brand's name is synonymous with. While there may be some valid points in this paragraph, it really needs to be rewritten in a section that considers several influences on Cadillac's recent resurgence, rather than giving the Escalade full credit.-- Scottr76 ( talk) 05:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
It should be added to the trivia section that a Cadillac played a major part in the Seinfeld episodes "The Cadillac" and "The Money", in seasons 7 and 8 respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.13.214.254 ( talk) 23:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
There are easily 50 more pop culture references to Cadillacs. Why does this section exist at all? It should be removed. Vytal ( talk) 01:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Vandalism
I don't know enough to correct it, I hope someone comes in and partially locks the site after a reversion is made —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.253.150 ( talk) 02:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Friend Gedstrom: I understand his decision to erase my contribution to the history of Cadillac. Until now there was no other source of information as supplied by Murphy in his rationale for the name. After several years of research on my ancestors in the USA, I can give every one of the tests of how much he scored. Also I can give references from my book "Conspiracy in the South" published by Trafford Publishing of Canada. There is told the story of the brothers and the family Forto Cardellach New Orleans. You can also check the photographic archive of the book through Google Picasa photos and documents from one part of their country's history. I regret not being able to speak in English, but you should not be a problem with the translator of Google. You can contact me and him darétodas references you think necessary, but before blanking a contribution, given the volume of my contribution Vikipedia in Spanish, you could have requested a pre lasmpruebas. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrmauri ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
"The ads, which led to record sales for Lincoln, also reportedly embarrassed the top executives at Cadillac and GM's 14th Floor, leading Smith to ask Ford to drop "The Valet" ads for Lincoln. Donald Petersen acquiesed, in the light of a severe downturn at Cadillac, and the general code of congeniality between the Big Three auto executives."
Is there a reasonable source for this? This is Lincoln fanboy stuff otherwise. Remove it if it cannot be corroborated.
Ken ( talk) 18:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
The pictures of the 1996 deVille Concours seem irrelevant to me, as there is no mention of this car in the article. There certainly isn't the need for two pictures of the same car. Thoughts? - Brougham96 ( talk) 04:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Does somebody have a vintage Cadillac logo with the ducks on it instead of the red squares? After all, the logo used to be the crest of Cadillac. Sneakers55 ( talk) 02:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Those "ducks" were Merlettes. Ducks were never used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.254.75 ( talk) 14:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
In the The Great Depression section it says: "In 1932, after Cadillac suffered from record low sales and charges of discrimination against black customers, Alfred Sloan created a committee to consider the discontinuation of the Cadillac line. At a fateful board meeting, Cadillac president Nicholas Dreystadt heard that legendary boxer Joe Louis could not go into a dealership to buy a car, because he was black, and resorted to having a white friend make the purchase for him. Dreystadt gave the GM Board of Directors a 10 minute speech in which he advocated advertising to black consumers so as to increase sales. The Board agreed to give Dreystadt 18 months to produce results."
Joe Louis was not legendary in 1932, he was an unknown 18 year old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johhtfd ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I made some unsigned edits to the page earlier, and trimmed some of the NPOV. Before we get some "America, F*ck yeh!" fanboy here, let me say I am a Cadillac fan and now own two. But the page itself is suffering from many NPOV and unsigned statements not worthy of Wikipedia. Also, I've said it before throughout the GM articles, will those of you who work for GM PLEASE stop inserting marketing and promotional text into these articles? Not only is it blatantly obvious, its just a pain to have to clean up every day.
And to the three guys from the Ford and BMW forums who keep defacing the article: yes, I found out where you are coming from, please stop defacing it. It just irks GM and the fanboys on when they see its been filled with misleading/punishing information. If part of the article states that Cadillac made a mistake and had some horrendous problems, it doesn't need to be drilled into the article again and again, and it doesn't mean that we can just make stuff up. Scryer_360 ( talk) 21:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Cadillac went in to serious decline in the 1980s, and we should document that, not ignore it. Right now we've got one line on the 80s, nothing on the 90s, and just a few lines about the 21st century. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 21:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
This article seems absurdly short, and there is a lot of information on the individual model pages that I would love to see summarized here. I'm still not quite clear on the various "Series 60/61/70/75" compared to the model names I remember from the 60's-80's, (Sedan/Coupe deVille, Eldorado, Fleetwood) or where Fleetwood fits as either Body By or its own model. Sevesteen ( talk) 21:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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A spokesman told Fox News Autos that the color version will continue on the legacy internal combustion engine models while the new one will roll out with the electric models that will be replacing them until it becomes an all-electric brand in 2030.
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