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Perhaps there could be another section in the article called, "Opponents" or "adversaries" or something like that that describes the enemies of the Cactus Air Force that they fought almost every day, including the 11th Air Fleet and its sub-units, the "R" Area Air Force, and the various Japanese naval air groups from the carriers that raided Guadalcanal every now and then. Cla68 03:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The way the squadrons are listed at the bottom is bothering me. Any ideas on how to make this section look a little cleaner or sexier for that manner.-- Looper5920 05:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Ill work on something I changed it a little but your right its still not much better-- WilsBadKarma ( Talk/ Contribs) 05:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Were the first 5 Navy squadrons stationed there or on separate carriers?-- WilsBadKarma ( Talk/ Contribs) 05:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to point one thing out to be aware of for everyone involved with writing this article and that is the use of aircraft destroyed claims data. Japanese records of aircraft operations around Guadalcanal, which appear to have become generally available in the West around the late 1980s, show that actual Japanese aircraft losses in the air war with the Cactus Air Force (CAF) were usually much less than the number claimed by CAF aircrews. Therefore, Japanese aircraft losses given in sources prior to 1990 (like in Morison's books, for example), are very suspect. Cla68 03:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone happen to know where to score a map that shows Guadalcanal, location of Henderson and "The Slot". Think that would be pretty good for focusing people on the area of fighting. Thoughts?-- Looper5920 10:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
In his book U.S. Marine Corps World War II Order of Battle – Ground and Air Units in the Pacific War, Gordon Rottman states "the IJN 11th Air Fleet provided most of the campaign's aircraft and suffered heavy casualties essentially losing the 21st, 24th 25th and 26th Air Groups. Just wanted to make sue this jibed with you research before I added it. -- Looper5920 02:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Just off the top off my head, I am thinking that topics to be mentioned should include: (In no particular order and please add any if you have more...that way they can be struck out later)
Anyone, please add more or disagree with what I have as you go. Cheers-- Looper5920 11:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is supposed to be about the "Cactus Air Force", but it spends most of its time talking about everything but the Cactus Air Force. It rambles on about the Japanese Navy, and the U.S. Navy, about the construction and conditions of Henderson Field, and on and on about beaucoup other things besides the "Cactus Air Force". There is little about what units it consisted of, when they arived, who their leading pilots were, who their top commanders were, etc. There are no interviews with Cactus Air Force pilots of ground crewmen -- and expecially nothing about the hellacious experiences that the ground crewmen endured. There is nothing about how many of them were killed or wounded, and how many of them got sent to the hospital or had to leave Guadalcanal because of malaria, etc. There are no explanations of the different types of aircraft that the Americans or New Zealanders flew, and especially nothing about the U.S. Army Air Force warplanes.
As for the Japanese warplanes, nothing is mentioned execpt the "Zero" fighter and the "Betty" bomber, and Nothing At All about Japanese Army aiplaces, such as the "Oscar". I am sure that there were plenty of other Japanese Navy and Army bomber types that were used in the Guadalcanal Campaign. For example, neither the "Val" or the "Kate" is even mentioned, nor any of the land-based bombers besides the "Betty".
To sum up, this article as it stands is very much about mud, snakes, and mosquitoes, and little about the actual composition of the Cactus Air Force and its opponents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.99.97 ( talk) 10:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
The "Val" is mentioned under the "Japanese" section. 70.230.247.249 ( talk) 19:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
As far as I am aware only American air elements (Army, Navy and Marine) made up the CAF. I'd be interested in seeing any evidence to the contrary, otherwise the lead should probably be changed to more accurately reflect the actual make up of air forces on the island during the battle. The phrasing also seems quite clunky "ensemble" is probably not the best word to describe what was in effect an ad hoc collection of squadrons and parts of squadrons. Awotter ( talk) 20:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I am a little confused about the SBD tires. The article at first states that the SBD's rutted the mud worse because of their hard rubber tires. Later it is stated that an SBD blew a tire upon takeoff.
1. Were they pnumatic tires with a harder rubber than regular airplane tires, or were they solid rubber tires?
2. Since the Wildcats were also designed to operate on aircraft carriers wouldn't their tires be just as hard?
3. Did both aircraft have the same hardness of rubber in their tires and the SBD's rutted the mud worse because they were heavier? 70.230.247.249 ( talk) 19:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The article has no information about the operations of the field after the BoGuad. There should be some information about its use after that, and the general transformation from an active combat role to a transport point to more foreward areas. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 13:03, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
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Perhaps there could be another section in the article called, "Opponents" or "adversaries" or something like that that describes the enemies of the Cactus Air Force that they fought almost every day, including the 11th Air Fleet and its sub-units, the "R" Area Air Force, and the various Japanese naval air groups from the carriers that raided Guadalcanal every now and then. Cla68 03:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The way the squadrons are listed at the bottom is bothering me. Any ideas on how to make this section look a little cleaner or sexier for that manner.-- Looper5920 05:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Ill work on something I changed it a little but your right its still not much better-- WilsBadKarma ( Talk/ Contribs) 05:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Were the first 5 Navy squadrons stationed there or on separate carriers?-- WilsBadKarma ( Talk/ Contribs) 05:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to point one thing out to be aware of for everyone involved with writing this article and that is the use of aircraft destroyed claims data. Japanese records of aircraft operations around Guadalcanal, which appear to have become generally available in the West around the late 1980s, show that actual Japanese aircraft losses in the air war with the Cactus Air Force (CAF) were usually much less than the number claimed by CAF aircrews. Therefore, Japanese aircraft losses given in sources prior to 1990 (like in Morison's books, for example), are very suspect. Cla68 03:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone happen to know where to score a map that shows Guadalcanal, location of Henderson and "The Slot". Think that would be pretty good for focusing people on the area of fighting. Thoughts?-- Looper5920 10:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
In his book U.S. Marine Corps World War II Order of Battle – Ground and Air Units in the Pacific War, Gordon Rottman states "the IJN 11th Air Fleet provided most of the campaign's aircraft and suffered heavy casualties essentially losing the 21st, 24th 25th and 26th Air Groups. Just wanted to make sue this jibed with you research before I added it. -- Looper5920 02:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Just off the top off my head, I am thinking that topics to be mentioned should include: (In no particular order and please add any if you have more...that way they can be struck out later)
Anyone, please add more or disagree with what I have as you go. Cheers-- Looper5920 11:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is supposed to be about the "Cactus Air Force", but it spends most of its time talking about everything but the Cactus Air Force. It rambles on about the Japanese Navy, and the U.S. Navy, about the construction and conditions of Henderson Field, and on and on about beaucoup other things besides the "Cactus Air Force". There is little about what units it consisted of, when they arived, who their leading pilots were, who their top commanders were, etc. There are no interviews with Cactus Air Force pilots of ground crewmen -- and expecially nothing about the hellacious experiences that the ground crewmen endured. There is nothing about how many of them were killed or wounded, and how many of them got sent to the hospital or had to leave Guadalcanal because of malaria, etc. There are no explanations of the different types of aircraft that the Americans or New Zealanders flew, and especially nothing about the U.S. Army Air Force warplanes.
As for the Japanese warplanes, nothing is mentioned execpt the "Zero" fighter and the "Betty" bomber, and Nothing At All about Japanese Army aiplaces, such as the "Oscar". I am sure that there were plenty of other Japanese Navy and Army bomber types that were used in the Guadalcanal Campaign. For example, neither the "Val" or the "Kate" is even mentioned, nor any of the land-based bombers besides the "Betty".
To sum up, this article as it stands is very much about mud, snakes, and mosquitoes, and little about the actual composition of the Cactus Air Force and its opponents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.99.97 ( talk) 10:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
The "Val" is mentioned under the "Japanese" section. 70.230.247.249 ( talk) 19:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
As far as I am aware only American air elements (Army, Navy and Marine) made up the CAF. I'd be interested in seeing any evidence to the contrary, otherwise the lead should probably be changed to more accurately reflect the actual make up of air forces on the island during the battle. The phrasing also seems quite clunky "ensemble" is probably not the best word to describe what was in effect an ad hoc collection of squadrons and parts of squadrons. Awotter ( talk) 20:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I am a little confused about the SBD tires. The article at first states that the SBD's rutted the mud worse because of their hard rubber tires. Later it is stated that an SBD blew a tire upon takeoff.
1. Were they pnumatic tires with a harder rubber than regular airplane tires, or were they solid rubber tires?
2. Since the Wildcats were also designed to operate on aircraft carriers wouldn't their tires be just as hard?
3. Did both aircraft have the same hardness of rubber in their tires and the SBD's rutted the mud worse because they were heavier? 70.230.247.249 ( talk) 19:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The article has no information about the operations of the field after the BoGuad. There should be some information about its use after that, and the general transformation from an active combat role to a transport point to more foreward areas. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 13:03, 7 February 2013 (UTC)