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Just cleared out graffiti that looked like something from Uncyclopedia. -- Teshel 05:57, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I had obtained permission from the photographer to use the caboose lineup photo before uploading it here. I am looking through my email archives to find his response... Slambo (Speak) 15:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't able to find the reply that I got from the photographer, so I went through my own railfanning photos and found the image that's on the article now. Slambo (Speak) 13:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I have redone this article to remove the many inaccuracies and duplications in the previous version.
It says:
could someone explain this? Pfalstad 15:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The article says: "The first cabooses, not unlike the nautical originals, were wooden shanties built on flatcars, as early as the 1830s."
This makes no sense... I assume the "nautical originals" weren't buuilt on flatcars? Not only is the use of a a double negative confusing and inappropriate for an article, it seems outright wrong in this situation.
While the {{ TrainsWikiProject}} banner does not yet include tags for marking article importance within the project scope, I would place this one pretty highly in importance. I think it's time we start a concerted effort to get this article up to at least GA level (it's near GA now) with the ultimate goal of raising it to FA status. Toward that end, I've added a bunch of tasks to the todolist (above). So, let's get out all our references and get started. I'll be travelling to Colorado this week on a railfan excursion (visiting the Colorado Railroad Museum and the Cumbres & Toltec), so if there's something you know of in the area, I may be able to photograph it for use here. Slambo (Speak) 17:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
This is an article which is heavily dependent upon pictures; the problem is that we're running out of room to have a coherent text as a result. Right now I think we're pretty much maxxed out and outght stick to substituting better images rather than adding more. Mangoe 22:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I tend to agree. In essence, only five caboose types (center cupola, offset cupola, EV, bay window and transfer) were widely employed (excepting historical designs from the early 19th century). Five images would obviously suffice for the caboose itself, and a few more for EOT's, historical models (i.e., prior to the mid-1800's). BDD 17:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Instead of "End-of-Train" device, why not a catchier acronym, like BOLD, or "Back-of-Locomotive-Device"? -- 72.205.241.187 13:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Because the official AAR designation for FRED is EOT. In any case, EOT's are rarely attached to locomotives. I've never seen one used in that fashion, and I was in the industry for many years. BDD 17:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this article very biased in favour of USA Brake Vans\Caboose cars. There is next to no infomation on UK or European types of this rolling stock. Perhaps this should be split off as a US Railway page instead and have an international page written in its place? Sheep21 22:04 04 April 2007 (UTC)
Cabin Car
Fans of the former Pennsylvania Railroad say that calling the caboose a cabin car was specifically a PRR term.
Radio Sharon ( talk) 04:17, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Aside from the UK, in my travels in Europe in the 1970s I never saw a caboose, except in toy shops displaying U.S.-style model freight trains (usually HO scale). One in Germany sticks out in my memory, as the caboose was in the middle of the train, followed by freight cars -- indicating that the toy shop owner was unaware that the caboose brings up the markers! Perhaps there is nothing on continental European cabooses because they didn't exist. I know for a fact that the Soviet railways never used cabooses. Amustard ( talk) 04:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Uh, now that there's a separate article on the UK equivalent which doesn't even share the same name, shouldn't all the text describing the UK car be removed here leaving just the link to the other article? It's not like there's similar descriptive text in the UK article on the differences to the caboose. Of course, there also isn't any protests in the talk section of that article, which really is UK-centric, about it being UK-centric. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.153 ( talk) 17:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible that caboose is derived from cab house (cabin house)? RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 00:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't seem likely. Etymology tends to point to the French naval term camboose as the most likely antecendent word. BDD 03:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, if kabhuis entered the Dutch language in 1747, it cannot have been Middle Dutch since that form of the language had been long gone by that time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.95.79 ( talk) 22:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Added citations that I am fairly confident this section is sourced from. Neither source quite match the wiki material however, and even in the older source the etymology is stated as disputed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.2.33 ( talk) 15:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
It is true that most cabooses have been retired from the modern railways, since they served to protect freight trains in the mid-1990's. But as the article emphasizes (History § Paragraph 5, Sentence 1), these now non-revenue rail cars are retained well-beyond their normal lifetime of the freight train era. Thus, I believe that there may be a few freight trains in North American and yonder that still need a caboose, or perhaps using them as a decoration. I am not reflecting on any local or smaller railways, nor am I speaking of toy trains that include cabooses, I am meaning a longer and vaster scale along our railroads. Nonetheless, any of today's trains equipped with a caboose would still require a flashing rear-end device. -- Nebula2357 ( talk) 21:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I have copied the UK/Australia section to Brake van. Are there any objections if I now delete this section from Caboose? Biscuittin ( talk) 19:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I would be glad to see more detailed information in the article regarding how cabooses have historically been used, and particularly regarding how the caboose communicated with the engine. (I presume that in latter days crews used radios, but what did they do before the walkie-talkie?) J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 18:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Caboose/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs more references. Very near GA quality. |
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I find that some railroads, perhaps best known the Missouri Pacific, built and used cabooses that had both a cupola and bay windows. I have not found an image that is apparently free for us to use. J S Ayer ( talk) 02:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
I've added two dictionary references that use only "cabooses" in their examples, and there are more. The plural cabeese appears to be a joke, similar to meese for moose. There are examples of cabeese to be found on the Net, but I haven't found any reliable sources that say that cabeese is a correct or alternative plural. I don't think "cabeese" belongs in the article at all, (but reliable sources and a reasoned argument might change that.) After all, we don't discuss the plural form "meese" in Moose. Sjö ( talk) 12:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
To be included in the article? https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44062/armored-caboose-designed-to-protect-navy-nuclear-trains-is-about-to-start-its-final-testing -- Znuddel ( talk) 03:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
In the lead, there is a sentence that is very confusing and a major run-on. I was going to attempt to change it but I am not exactly sure what it is trying to say. Someone with expertise might want to address this.
The sentence is, “Developments in monitoring and safety technology, such as lineside defect detectors and end-of-train devices, and hotboxes for crews to spot becoming virtually non-existent with freight cars being built or upgraded with roller bearings rather than plain bearings, resulted in crew reductions and the phasing out of caboose cars.”
It feels like it is missing something. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 22:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
pt:Vagão de frenagem#Multimídia
Peter Horn User talk 22:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Just cleared out graffiti that looked like something from Uncyclopedia. -- Teshel 05:57, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I had obtained permission from the photographer to use the caboose lineup photo before uploading it here. I am looking through my email archives to find his response... Slambo (Speak) 15:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't able to find the reply that I got from the photographer, so I went through my own railfanning photos and found the image that's on the article now. Slambo (Speak) 13:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I have redone this article to remove the many inaccuracies and duplications in the previous version.
It says:
could someone explain this? Pfalstad 15:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The article says: "The first cabooses, not unlike the nautical originals, were wooden shanties built on flatcars, as early as the 1830s."
This makes no sense... I assume the "nautical originals" weren't buuilt on flatcars? Not only is the use of a a double negative confusing and inappropriate for an article, it seems outright wrong in this situation.
While the {{ TrainsWikiProject}} banner does not yet include tags for marking article importance within the project scope, I would place this one pretty highly in importance. I think it's time we start a concerted effort to get this article up to at least GA level (it's near GA now) with the ultimate goal of raising it to FA status. Toward that end, I've added a bunch of tasks to the todolist (above). So, let's get out all our references and get started. I'll be travelling to Colorado this week on a railfan excursion (visiting the Colorado Railroad Museum and the Cumbres & Toltec), so if there's something you know of in the area, I may be able to photograph it for use here. Slambo (Speak) 17:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
This is an article which is heavily dependent upon pictures; the problem is that we're running out of room to have a coherent text as a result. Right now I think we're pretty much maxxed out and outght stick to substituting better images rather than adding more. Mangoe 22:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I tend to agree. In essence, only five caboose types (center cupola, offset cupola, EV, bay window and transfer) were widely employed (excepting historical designs from the early 19th century). Five images would obviously suffice for the caboose itself, and a few more for EOT's, historical models (i.e., prior to the mid-1800's). BDD 17:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Instead of "End-of-Train" device, why not a catchier acronym, like BOLD, or "Back-of-Locomotive-Device"? -- 72.205.241.187 13:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Because the official AAR designation for FRED is EOT. In any case, EOT's are rarely attached to locomotives. I've never seen one used in that fashion, and I was in the industry for many years. BDD 17:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this article very biased in favour of USA Brake Vans\Caboose cars. There is next to no infomation on UK or European types of this rolling stock. Perhaps this should be split off as a US Railway page instead and have an international page written in its place? Sheep21 22:04 04 April 2007 (UTC)
Cabin Car
Fans of the former Pennsylvania Railroad say that calling the caboose a cabin car was specifically a PRR term.
Radio Sharon ( talk) 04:17, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Aside from the UK, in my travels in Europe in the 1970s I never saw a caboose, except in toy shops displaying U.S.-style model freight trains (usually HO scale). One in Germany sticks out in my memory, as the caboose was in the middle of the train, followed by freight cars -- indicating that the toy shop owner was unaware that the caboose brings up the markers! Perhaps there is nothing on continental European cabooses because they didn't exist. I know for a fact that the Soviet railways never used cabooses. Amustard ( talk) 04:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Uh, now that there's a separate article on the UK equivalent which doesn't even share the same name, shouldn't all the text describing the UK car be removed here leaving just the link to the other article? It's not like there's similar descriptive text in the UK article on the differences to the caboose. Of course, there also isn't any protests in the talk section of that article, which really is UK-centric, about it being UK-centric. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.153 ( talk) 17:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible that caboose is derived from cab house (cabin house)? RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 00:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't seem likely. Etymology tends to point to the French naval term camboose as the most likely antecendent word. BDD 03:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, if kabhuis entered the Dutch language in 1747, it cannot have been Middle Dutch since that form of the language had been long gone by that time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.95.79 ( talk) 22:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Added citations that I am fairly confident this section is sourced from. Neither source quite match the wiki material however, and even in the older source the etymology is stated as disputed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.2.33 ( talk) 15:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
It is true that most cabooses have been retired from the modern railways, since they served to protect freight trains in the mid-1990's. But as the article emphasizes (History § Paragraph 5, Sentence 1), these now non-revenue rail cars are retained well-beyond their normal lifetime of the freight train era. Thus, I believe that there may be a few freight trains in North American and yonder that still need a caboose, or perhaps using them as a decoration. I am not reflecting on any local or smaller railways, nor am I speaking of toy trains that include cabooses, I am meaning a longer and vaster scale along our railroads. Nonetheless, any of today's trains equipped with a caboose would still require a flashing rear-end device. -- Nebula2357 ( talk) 21:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I have copied the UK/Australia section to Brake van. Are there any objections if I now delete this section from Caboose? Biscuittin ( talk) 19:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I would be glad to see more detailed information in the article regarding how cabooses have historically been used, and particularly regarding how the caboose communicated with the engine. (I presume that in latter days crews used radios, but what did they do before the walkie-talkie?) J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 18:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Caboose/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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I find that some railroads, perhaps best known the Missouri Pacific, built and used cabooses that had both a cupola and bay windows. I have not found an image that is apparently free for us to use. J S Ayer ( talk) 02:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
I've added two dictionary references that use only "cabooses" in their examples, and there are more. The plural cabeese appears to be a joke, similar to meese for moose. There are examples of cabeese to be found on the Net, but I haven't found any reliable sources that say that cabeese is a correct or alternative plural. I don't think "cabeese" belongs in the article at all, (but reliable sources and a reasoned argument might change that.) After all, we don't discuss the plural form "meese" in Moose. Sjö ( talk) 12:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
To be included in the article? https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44062/armored-caboose-designed-to-protect-navy-nuclear-trains-is-about-to-start-its-final-testing -- Znuddel ( talk) 03:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
In the lead, there is a sentence that is very confusing and a major run-on. I was going to attempt to change it but I am not exactly sure what it is trying to say. Someone with expertise might want to address this.
The sentence is, “Developments in monitoring and safety technology, such as lineside defect detectors and end-of-train devices, and hotboxes for crews to spot becoming virtually non-existent with freight cars being built or upgraded with roller bearings rather than plain bearings, resulted in crew reductions and the phasing out of caboose cars.”
It feels like it is missing something. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 22:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
pt:Vagão de frenagem#Multimídia
Peter Horn User talk 22:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)