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I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, -- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:29, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I hate to be pedantic in these objectively difficult times, but since when is Palestine a state? Shachar ( talk) 15:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
The title should be changed. Look at all the other similar articles. Here /info/en/?search=Category:2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_by_country_and_territory
The words "the State of" should be deleted. It is completely inconsistent with the other article titles. Pretty easy to see. And odd that this was started this way. 2604:2000:E010:1100:60F3:B5D8:FCA4:9680 ( talk) 05:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
There is a Commons Cat. -- Willi The Kid ( talk) 16:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Anyone know how to make calls via this and use the results to update the stats, graphs? Selfstudier ( talk) 10:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
أمين It was Allio19 who put these elements in, I don't know how to update them. I asked if anyone knows how to call the corona API to autoupdate but no one has replied. I have no time to do it manually every day, sorry. Selfstudier ( talk) 10:07, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: NO CONSENSUS. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
2020 coronavirus pandemic in the State of Palestine →
2020 coronavirus pandemic in Palestine – For consistency for almost every other article in this series, including
2020 coronavirus pandemic in Israel. Unlike
2020 coronavirus pandemic in the Republic of Ireland, there no risk of ambiguity because there are no other Palestinian states in existence.
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Anyone know if the EJ figures now being reported separately by corona.ps are included in the Israel figures? Selfstudier ( talk) 17:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Seems a bit much to be including daily case counts in this article. IMHO would be better to by summarizing as seems to appear on other such pages. (Also oddly some stats are attributed to MOH while others have Mai al-Kaila's explicitly. | MK17b | ( talk) 05:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Israel is obliged under the terms as belligerent occupant to provide covid vaccines to Palestinians, which of course it hasn't. Does the page note this? Nishidani ( talk) 18:03, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't have enough edits to make the change myself, but I noticed that in the Vaccines section, it says "...the Palestinian Authority asked Israel for up to 10,000 doses of vaccine for frontline medical workers, but the request was refused." It was reported today that Israel has now agreed to the request [1] which should get added to that section.
Jacob.stein ( talk) 02:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
So I removed three things that are in no way on sided: 1. The line that the request was declined as that has no changed per the talk section above me. 2. The settler line as that belongs in the Israel article. 3. Added a well known document. Idan ( talk) 09:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Zvikorn: You removed "Israel will vaccinate Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank but not Palestinians in the same area." [1] giving no reason, in fact your entire edit has no edit summary at all. You say the settler line belongs in the Israel article but you removed it there as well! You removed "but the request was refused" also without any edit comment. Both of these are correct and can be found in multiple sources. You added " Article 17 of the Oslo Accords also states that the PA is the sole party responsible for the health of the palestinians." This is already dealt with in the NYT source immediately prior to the JP sourced material, did you even read it? It says "The Oslo Accords, the interim peace agreements signed in the 1990s between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, commit the two sides to cooperate in combating epidemics and to assist each other in times of emergency. The Geneva Conventions also oblige an occupying power to ensure medical supplies for the local population and the preventive measures needed to combat contagious diseases and epidemics" which is correct and contradicts the JP source which is mostly false and contradicted by all the other sources. So please revert as I asked you to on your talk page as your edit is POV, wrong and in breach of ARBPIA 1R restrictions. Selfstudier ( talk) 13:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Daniel Boffey 'Denmark under pressure to drop plans to work with Israel on vaccines,' The Guardian 3 March 2021 Nishidani ( talk) 18:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
American Palestinians can't get the vaccine while they remain in the West Bank.Yumna Patel 'Palestinian-Americans struggle to get vaccinated, say U.S. government abandoned them,' Mondoweiss 10 March, 2021 Nishidani ( talk) 17:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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Eugene Kontorovich is "director of international law at the Kohelet Policy Forum, a conservative Israeli think tank." Description via NPR here. The material attributed to him includes the view that the Oslo Accords outrank International Law, a view held only by Israel and it's defenders and already included in the article sourced to the Jerusalem Post. It also includes the view that the international community (the UN, Amnesty, HRW, many other orgnizations plus US politicians) is engaged in some sort of anti-Semitic plot against Israel, a fringe conspiracy theory. This material is completely UNDUE and should be removed. Selfstudier ( talk) 10:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:I disagree. If we can have multiple people opine on the opposite position, including minor politicians with no expertise on the topic, we can include a noted scholar, who is , unlike the impression given by your biased description, a Professor of Law and Director, Center for the Middle East and International Law, at George Mason U.
Kenosha Forever (
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21:48, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::It's not the same group, and likewise, the opinion of Joaquin Castro is the same as Warren and Sanders - so either pick one of them and remove there rest , or allow multiple commenters on the other side, This double standard stinks.
Kenosha Forever (
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22:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::He's a fellow at the JCPA and also a prof. of International law at a major US university, and he wasn't speaking on behalf of the JCPA. If he commented on the issue of Israel being an occupier or not in this context, it is most certainly relevant. I am open to whittling down both sections, but it's is the height of hypocrisy to have 3 US politician voice the same opinion, plus an academic saying the same thing, but limit the other side to just one group. Not going to work here, sorry.
Kenosha Forever (
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22:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::::Kantorovich makes two arguments - 1 - that explicit agreements made in take precedence over the general requirements of the 4GC and 2 - that the 4GC does not apply. That's not repetition. In the other section, we have Sanders, Warren and Castro all making the same argument, which is the same as the one of Benvenisti But let s start with this - remove the congress people whose opinion is not really relevant (the are not international law experts), for balance.
Kenosha Forever (
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22:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::The view that Israel is not legally obligated to provide vaccines post Oslo is not fringe, sorry.
Kenosha Forever (
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22:36, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::I explained why - they are repeating the same argument already made by an authority (Benvenisti ), and they have no special expertise here. I thought you were opposed to repetition?
Kenosha Forever (
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22:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::Fair enough, I'll add as sentence to that effect.
Kenosha Forever (
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22:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
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Take your own advice
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Did you pick the wrong edit? That is why we had this discussion even though 3 editors reverted the material. Selfstudier ( talk) 09:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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Is the top photo really the best one for this article? It is a distance shot whose focus seems to be the red-white curb markings. The street is empty, yes, but from such a distance, it is not obvious without the caption. But even if it was - Salfit is a small town of 10K people, you could probably take a similar, empty street picture on any given non-COVID era weekend, in the early morning hours. I don't know what other images we have, but I Think this one would be better -
/info/en/?search=File:COVID-19,_Bethlehem.png - at least it is connected to the first cases discovered.
Kenosha Forever (
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16:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
User @ Shrike: has inserted material (and reinserted it after revert). This deal has nothing to do with Covid in Palestine, it is not even clear that these vaccines are the same vaccines rejected by Palestine. Palestine did reject a similar deal with Israel but that is already in the article so this material is a )irrelevant and b)undue. Selfstudier ( talk) 17:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Not true. This is hardly irrelevant, all sources reporting on this mention that the Palestinians refused these vaccines -
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57732033,
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-and-south-korea-to-exchange-vaccines-672981 , and this second one explicitly says "These are some of the approximately one million unused doses that Israel purchased from Pfizer last year and that stand to expire at the end of the month, after a deal to transfer the vaccines to the Palestinian Authority fell through. " — Preceding
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I have rephrased hope it better now.-- Shrike ( talk) 08:38, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, I was wondering if it will be a good idea to create two separate timeline articles for the daily case reports. This appears to be the norm for most national COVID-19 pandemic articles including New Zealand and Malaysia. Perhaps Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in the State of Palestine (2020) and Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in the State of Palestine (2021)? The existing article is already over 400 kilobytes. Just wanted to gauge what people think. Andykatib 08:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Joplin201017:@ Tol: A new template has been added here and I am unable now to reconcile the figures with https://www.corona.ps/details or reconcile the daily rs anymore. I will not any longer update these figures and you or someone else should take that job over from here on in. Thank you. Selfstudier ( talk) 20:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, -- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:29, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I hate to be pedantic in these objectively difficult times, but since when is Palestine a state? Shachar ( talk) 15:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
The title should be changed. Look at all the other similar articles. Here /info/en/?search=Category:2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_by_country_and_territory
The words "the State of" should be deleted. It is completely inconsistent with the other article titles. Pretty easy to see. And odd that this was started this way. 2604:2000:E010:1100:60F3:B5D8:FCA4:9680 ( talk) 05:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
There is a Commons Cat. -- Willi The Kid ( talk) 16:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Anyone know how to make calls via this and use the results to update the stats, graphs? Selfstudier ( talk) 10:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
أمين It was Allio19 who put these elements in, I don't know how to update them. I asked if anyone knows how to call the corona API to autoupdate but no one has replied. I have no time to do it manually every day, sorry. Selfstudier ( talk) 10:07, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: NO CONSENSUS. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
2020 coronavirus pandemic in the State of Palestine →
2020 coronavirus pandemic in Palestine – For consistency for almost every other article in this series, including
2020 coronavirus pandemic in Israel. Unlike
2020 coronavirus pandemic in the Republic of Ireland, there no risk of ambiguity because there are no other Palestinian states in existence.
b
uidh
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22:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Anyone know if the EJ figures now being reported separately by corona.ps are included in the Israel figures? Selfstudier ( talk) 17:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Seems a bit much to be including daily case counts in this article. IMHO would be better to by summarizing as seems to appear on other such pages. (Also oddly some stats are attributed to MOH while others have Mai al-Kaila's explicitly. | MK17b | ( talk) 05:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Israel is obliged under the terms as belligerent occupant to provide covid vaccines to Palestinians, which of course it hasn't. Does the page note this? Nishidani ( talk) 18:03, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't have enough edits to make the change myself, but I noticed that in the Vaccines section, it says "...the Palestinian Authority asked Israel for up to 10,000 doses of vaccine for frontline medical workers, but the request was refused." It was reported today that Israel has now agreed to the request [1] which should get added to that section.
Jacob.stein ( talk) 02:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
So I removed three things that are in no way on sided: 1. The line that the request was declined as that has no changed per the talk section above me. 2. The settler line as that belongs in the Israel article. 3. Added a well known document. Idan ( talk) 09:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Zvikorn: You removed "Israel will vaccinate Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank but not Palestinians in the same area." [1] giving no reason, in fact your entire edit has no edit summary at all. You say the settler line belongs in the Israel article but you removed it there as well! You removed "but the request was refused" also without any edit comment. Both of these are correct and can be found in multiple sources. You added " Article 17 of the Oslo Accords also states that the PA is the sole party responsible for the health of the palestinians." This is already dealt with in the NYT source immediately prior to the JP sourced material, did you even read it? It says "The Oslo Accords, the interim peace agreements signed in the 1990s between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, commit the two sides to cooperate in combating epidemics and to assist each other in times of emergency. The Geneva Conventions also oblige an occupying power to ensure medical supplies for the local population and the preventive measures needed to combat contagious diseases and epidemics" which is correct and contradicts the JP source which is mostly false and contradicted by all the other sources. So please revert as I asked you to on your talk page as your edit is POV, wrong and in breach of ARBPIA 1R restrictions. Selfstudier ( talk) 13:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Daniel Boffey 'Denmark under pressure to drop plans to work with Israel on vaccines,' The Guardian 3 March 2021 Nishidani ( talk) 18:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
American Palestinians can't get the vaccine while they remain in the West Bank.Yumna Patel 'Palestinian-Americans struggle to get vaccinated, say U.S. government abandoned them,' Mondoweiss 10 March, 2021 Nishidani ( talk) 17:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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Eugene Kontorovich is "director of international law at the Kohelet Policy Forum, a conservative Israeli think tank." Description via NPR here. The material attributed to him includes the view that the Oslo Accords outrank International Law, a view held only by Israel and it's defenders and already included in the article sourced to the Jerusalem Post. It also includes the view that the international community (the UN, Amnesty, HRW, many other orgnizations plus US politicians) is engaged in some sort of anti-Semitic plot against Israel, a fringe conspiracy theory. This material is completely UNDUE and should be removed. Selfstudier ( talk) 10:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:I disagree. If we can have multiple people opine on the opposite position, including minor politicians with no expertise on the topic, we can include a noted scholar, who is , unlike the impression given by your biased description, a Professor of Law and Director, Center for the Middle East and International Law, at George Mason U.
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
21:48, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::It's not the same group, and likewise, the opinion of Joaquin Castro is the same as Warren and Sanders - so either pick one of them and remove there rest , or allow multiple commenters on the other side, This double standard stinks.
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
22:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::He's a fellow at the JCPA and also a prof. of International law at a major US university, and he wasn't speaking on behalf of the JCPA. If he commented on the issue of Israel being an occupier or not in this context, it is most certainly relevant. I am open to whittling down both sections, but it's is the height of hypocrisy to have 3 US politician voice the same opinion, plus an academic saying the same thing, but limit the other side to just one group. Not going to work here, sorry.
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
22:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::::Kantorovich makes two arguments - 1 - that explicit agreements made in take precedence over the general requirements of the 4GC and 2 - that the 4GC does not apply. That's not repetition. In the other section, we have Sanders, Warren and Castro all making the same argument, which is the same as the one of Benvenisti But let s start with this - remove the congress people whose opinion is not really relevant (the are not international law experts), for balance.
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
22:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::The view that Israel is not legally obligated to provide vaccines post Oslo is not fringe, sorry.
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
22:36, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::I explained why - they are repeating the same argument already made by an authority (Benvenisti ), and they have no special expertise here. I thought you were opposed to repetition?
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
22:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::Fair enough, I'll add as sentence to that effect.
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
22:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::
Take your own advice
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
22:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Did you pick the wrong edit? That is why we had this discussion even though 3 editors reverted the material. Selfstudier ( talk) 09:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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Is the top photo really the best one for this article? It is a distance shot whose focus seems to be the red-white curb markings. The street is empty, yes, but from such a distance, it is not obvious without the caption. But even if it was - Salfit is a small town of 10K people, you could probably take a similar, empty street picture on any given non-COVID era weekend, in the early morning hours. I don't know what other images we have, but I Think this one would be better -
/info/en/?search=File:COVID-19,_Bethlehem.png - at least it is connected to the first cases discovered.
Kenosha Forever (
talk)
16:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
User @ Shrike: has inserted material (and reinserted it after revert). This deal has nothing to do with Covid in Palestine, it is not even clear that these vaccines are the same vaccines rejected by Palestine. Palestine did reject a similar deal with Israel but that is already in the article so this material is a )irrelevant and b)undue. Selfstudier ( talk) 17:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Not true. This is hardly irrelevant, all sources reporting on this mention that the Palestinians refused these vaccines -
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57732033,
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-and-south-korea-to-exchange-vaccines-672981 , and this second one explicitly says "These are some of the approximately one million unused doses that Israel purchased from Pfizer last year and that stand to expire at the end of the month, after a deal to transfer the vaccines to the Palestinian Authority fell through. " — Preceding
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And So It (
talk •
contribs)
22:43, 7 July 2021 (UTC) sock
I have rephrased hope it better now.-- Shrike ( talk) 08:38, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, I was wondering if it will be a good idea to create two separate timeline articles for the daily case reports. This appears to be the norm for most national COVID-19 pandemic articles including New Zealand and Malaysia. Perhaps Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in the State of Palestine (2020) and Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in the State of Palestine (2021)? The existing article is already over 400 kilobytes. Just wanted to gauge what people think. Andykatib 08:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Joplin201017:@ Tol: A new template has been added here and I am unable now to reconcile the figures with https://www.corona.ps/details or reconcile the daily rs anymore. I will not any longer update these figures and you or someone else should take that job over from here on in. Thank you. Selfstudier ( talk) 20:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)