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This article is now about 320k long (that's the length of a novel) and takes quite some time to load, especially for those not on modern technology.
The page needs reducing.
I have created a fork of the Domestic response section which I proposed to split off a couple of days ago at #Domestic response - the article is at Domestic responses to the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak. It is 91k.
I leave it up to the editors of this page to decide if this is a good thing, and if they want to complete the split (which I don't have time for tonight).
If you decide against, you have my permission to {{
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the new page on my behalf, or copy it to a holding page, etc..
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable)
23:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC).
The Domestic Response section now has multiple short paragraphs like this...
I feel we should be able to chop most of these, but how do we give people clear links to the multiple country articles (apart from expecting them to scroll down to the navbox)? Bondegezou ( talk) 12:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
Could you please update volume of testing for the Czech Republic? Daily updated data are available on the website of Ministry of Health. -- 78.99.138.225 ( talk) 07:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
i don't understand the point of having the same content on Domestic responses to the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak and on 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak#Domestic responses. It seems redundant and unnecessary, and as pointed out above, this article is becoming as long as a novel. would it be possible to have just a short summary on 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak#Domestic responses? personally i would do it but i don't have time and this article is being edited too often (understandably) Pancho507 ( talk) 10:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The Turkish MOH had reported that the first Covid-19 positive patient in Turkey. Regards, Aozm ( talk) 22:06, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
In an edit, a user removed the terminology "liberal leaning" to describe Vox, which is fine. However, if sources consider Vox News to be a left-leaning website, it is worth noting, so I propose the wording "centre-left" as a description in that sentence. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my contributions) 00:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change title of article from "Outbreak" to "Epidemic" Thelostone1224 ( talk) 15:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
In "protests in the special administrative region of Hong Kong have strengthened due to fears of immigration from mainland China", the word protests should be capitalised, since it stands at the beginning of a sentence. Niplav ( talk) 11:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Support as per WHO Mayankj429 ( talk) 16:59, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Support. Romper ( talk) 17:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The origin of coronavirus has not confirmed yet! We cannot put Wuhan there. It should be under investigation or unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.252.31 ( talk) 18:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. This seems uncontroversial, so closing now per WP:SNOW and unanimous support. — Amakuru ( talk) 17:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
2019–20 coronavirus outbreak →
2019–20 coronavirus pandemic – Finally declared by WHO...
finally... accidentally posted on article page.
Noah
Talk
16:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/11/814474930/coronavirus-covid-19-is-now-officially-a-pandemic-who-says https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944
The result of the move request was: All moved per consistency with the above RM. Slightly busy now, so anyone may make the actual moves unless there's a technical difficulty, in which case let me know. Cheers — Amakuru ( talk) 17:36, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
– This first eight articles that have current names like "coronavirus outbreak" needs to moved in order to aligned to new name per WTO statement. I propose that all country specific articles that retain coronavirus outbreak name must be replaced by coronavirus pandemic. 36.77.94.26 ( talk) 17:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Done I finished the proposed moves above. Also, can someone please move all of the country-specific articles to the appropriate title? (Ex.
2020 coronavirus outbreak in Italy to
2020 coronavirus pandemic in Italy.) There are dozens of those articles, and I don't have the time or the energy to carry out such a massive move at this moment.
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I took out the following:
The map is misleading, as Scotland, England/Wales and N Ireland all have separate school systems. The map seems to have the whole UK one colour, reflecting N Ireland's one temporary school closure. I'm not sure such a map is helpful, given that it will have to be constantly redrawn, but if we are to have one, it should be accurate. -- The Huhsz ( talk) 23:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
This section seems very out of place in the article, and at first glance appears to be potential propaganda on behalf of the Chinese government. Ostronomer ( talk) 17:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't hold your breath. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.130.179.8 ( talk) 17:37, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I think that you could cure the corona virus by reprogramming the apoptosis to Attack the infected cells and maybe even the rna code It self. Plus if we can clone sheep, if we can reprogram plants US humans can reprogram the apoptosis to Hunt the infected cells and the virus It self. Maybe i'm Just stupid but of someone can do It It would be helpfull Antonsko ( talk) 18:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
WP:FORUM, folks - cease, please.
It is still necessary update information in all Airliners. Most are travelling Empty or Terminated Flights. Air Asia is also travelling Gratis. I know seems a turbulence time or a pacification of Business or for example Alitalia who goes Bankruptcy closed next Month, but someone more expert with updated precise information in area should have to update the pages, thanks [2] If I do i am sure like every time conflict of interests, someone will do an undo, you know how wiki is.
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Serbia now has 18 cases. To stay up to date visit covid19.rs Lukapecanac ( talk) 19:18, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data is now huge. It takes up this massive slice of screenspace for the article. Can we do something about that? Have it collapsed from the start? Just not have it on this article? Summarise the data better? Bondegezou ( talk) 20:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Just noticed that the Diamond Princess has disappeared from the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak by country and territory chart. Multiple countries broke the quarantine in the middle of it and evacuated their citizens to place them under their own quarantine. When combining Japan and the DP figures, I'm wondering if we have taken into account that several quarantines of the cruise case did not take place in Japan. I know the US evacuated their citizens on the cruise and included it in their own number. Apart from Japan, other countries with citizens onboard may not have included the DP in their figures, but others like the US have, hence why it becomes confusing if we simply just add the two. The WHO and Johns Hopkins site still lists it as a separate category. I'm sure in the future they will sort this all out with the DP. 146.151.113.93 ( talk) 17:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
Can someone add a column showing the "total population of each country" on the "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory" table that shows all the countries affected by the coronavirus? This would help put things in perspective.
Thanks! Vincent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.44.210 ( talk) 21:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.108.149.192 ( talk) 20:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure but it should be added back -- Colin dm ( talk) 20:59, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
ok, understood — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.108.149.192 ( talk) 22:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
It would be a simple calculation of "deaths/cases" or "recoveries/cases" as a percentage.
Percentages provide better context rather than raw numbers. The sorting can be kept as the same default if you like. But sorting the death/recovery percentages gets better transparency and visibility to health care workers and professionals, and public health officials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivasundar ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic&diff=945117857&oldid=945117653 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:69D9:B800:AD8E:D0FC:EACB:FE51 ( talk) 22:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I think we can call them Domestic public health responses, because that's what they are. This isn't the governments primarily driving this, or the public driving this, it is public health physicians, the epidemiologists, the biostatiscians and infection prevention and control agencies, all "public health", terminology which has been in the lead for some time. -- Almaty ( talk) 13:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
There's now a disambiguation notice at the top of the topic on desktop. Is it really needed? The current title is pretty unambiguous and there have been no other coronavirus pandemics.
"Coronavirus pandemic" redirects here. For other outbreaks of different strains of coronavirus, see Coronavirus outbreak (disambiguation).
- Wikmoz ( talk) 22:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The total number of cases is a meaningless statistic. Pretend the US has 3,000 cases, and pretend also that Spain has 3,000 cases. Those numbers mean very different things. That would mean that 0.0065% of the Spanish population is infected, while 0.00091% of the US population is infected. In other words, a Spaniard is over 7 times as likely to be infected as an American, by this hypothetical example. That's why epidemiologists always use cases per 100,000 (or cases per some number) to describe the incidence of a disease. Dcs002 ( talk) 20:24, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Business Insider is reporting from Daily NK that almost 200 North Korean soldiers have died. Shearonink ( talk) 22:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
This report is questionable at best and as such should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Not only is its utilization of anonymous sources questionable, but the idea that 180 KPA soldiers have died from the virus is implausible currently. Even if the DPRK hadn't closed down border transit, enforced public health measures like mask wearing, etc. that many deaths among KPA soldiers would either suggest that the KPA is full of elderly soldiers, or that potentially as many as 90,000 are infected in the KPA alone seeing as the mortality rate among the 17-30 age range found within the KPA has consistently been 0.2% in other countries. As such, this would also suggest that there are potentially thousands of deaths in the DPRK among the elderly, unless the spread has been exclusively restricted to the KPA. Regardless of how implausible that statistic is, it's doubtful that a county with 1/56th the population of (with similar population density as) China while carrying out similarly strict disease control measures, would somehow be rivaling China in terms of number of infections. -- 24.156.99.220 ( talk) 09:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
I would recommend the rewriting of the North Korea section under Domestic Responses, both to include information about the actual confirmed domestic response (mask wearing initiatives, border closing, etc.) and to remove the questionable information currently presented there, if not clarifying its dubiousness. There has still only been a single, unverified report (Daily NK, via an anonymous source, on March 9) behind the claim of near 200 dead within the KPA and of officer executions for infections among their forces. Many other outlets have picked up the story despite the lack of verification, however this is typical for the limited journalistic integrity when it comes to reporting done on the DPRK, such as the widespread reporting of the later debunked "sarcasm ban." As stated previously, the claim of near 200 dead within the KPA is also very unlikely statistically speaking, as an immense outbreak in the DPRK would be necessary to lead to nearly 200 deaths in a force which comprises less than 10% of the already relatively small population, and is primarily populated with individuals in an age range with a mortality rate of only 0.2% internationally. This would likely be far higher than the 3,700 KPA soldiers under quarantine claimed by Daily NK, unless the mortality rate for the 17-30 age range is 25 times that in the DPRK than in the rest of the world. That no other sources (foreign intelligence agencies, foreign missions in the DPRK, etc.) have been able to verify the 180+ KPA dead claim, much less reported on what would be an outbreak comparable to the scale of that in Wuhan among a much smaller population, should be enough reason to doubt the report as of now. -
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The infobox has a colour-coding caption distinguishing the colours of countries with
The map, File:COVID-19 Outbreak World Map.svg, has another colour for countries with 0 confirmed cases, like Zambia. Please add a fifth line for countries with 0 confirmed cases. 208.95.49.53 ( talk) 19:33, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Under self-isolation, I've previously linked to the CDC's instructions for sick individuals, which are the clearest I've found to date. It seems harmless to include but the link has been twice removed so I don't want to add it back without consensus. I think the public health benefit of providing this link outweighs any MOS guideline but I may well be wrong.
On a related note, there's some confusion about self-isolation vs. self-quarantine. Not sure that the distinction is too important but we should try to get it right. The 14 day recommendation applies to those in quarantine. There's still no standard guidance on when to end self-isolation.
- Wikmoz ( talk) 06:25, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Can this information be added in the article that spitting in public places to be avoided for prevention of the disease? I am adding references below to that it can be discussed.
Thank you. -- Dr. Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 06:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Need to check if the affected person are animal eaters Dhayalanandhini ( talk) 08:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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In the statistics-by-country chart, please change "Dominican" to "Dominican Republic" 2601:5C6:8080:100:D1E8:9C75:D7DE:BA08 ( talk) 05:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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Under section "Prevention", subsection "Vaccine research", the entry incorrectly identifies Phase III clinical trials for a vaccine candidate by Gilead Sciences Inc and Ascletis Pharma Inc. These are NOT trials for a vaccine, rather they are trials for potential antiviral drug therapies, namely, Remdesivir and ASC-09 + ritonavir (oral tablet).
Presumably sourced from the following citation [208]: https://www.bioworld.com/articles/433331-increasing-number-of-biopharma-drugs-target-covid-19-as-virus-spreads
Please address this. 66.68.143.217 ( talk) 22:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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The government of Guayna confirms its first coronavirus case on March 11. [3] -- cyrfaw ( talk) 10:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
In a previous discussion, which I can't find I had suggested adding a section on children and how their epidemiology is different . The comments were centered around having more [WP:MEDRS] sources and doing a draft. I have done the draft on "Infection in children" which I suggest should be included in the epidemiology section. Please discuss:
Early in the outbreak there was widespread concern about the risk to children because in seasonal flu both the very old and very young are at greater risk. [1] However, a large joint study between the WHO and China reported that only 2.4% of cases were in individuals under 18. [2] This is in line with the first SARS outbreak in which China data in a WHO consensus study indicated no fatalities in the 0-24 age group. [3] As a result, the European CDC has stated that Covid-19 “disease in children appears to be relatively rare and mild”. [4]
The reasons for the low infection rate amongst children are not yet understood. The joint WHO-China report noted that the virus had a “low [attack rate]” in the 18 and under group, indicating a lower susceptibility of infection in children. [5] However, another report based on surveillance and contact tracing in China concluded that “children were as likely as adults to be attacked by the virus” [6]. The CEO of the Coalition of Epidemic Preparedness Innovation has also stated that a study based on the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship indicated similar attack rates for groups below and above age 20. [7] Gegu0284 ( talk) 07:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Here is an abridged version: Only a small percentage of Covid-19 cases have occurred in children. Most cases are relatively mild with very low fatality rates in the under 18 age group. [4] This is similar to the first SARS outbreak. [5] The reasons for the low infection rate amongst children are not yet understood. A joint WHO-China report noted that the virus had a “low [attack rate]” in the 18 and under group, indicating a lower susceptibility of infection in children. [6] However, others have claimed that “children were as likely as adults to be attacked by the virus” [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gegu0284 ( talk • contribs) 11:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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I have noticed the time of Iran deaths edit has been made before Iranian authorities announcement of it. How did the editor know it? Aminabzz ( talk) 11:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The collage on the infobox looked good, please place it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaisersauce1 ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
File:CoronaVirus-01.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I thought the infobox image looked great as well, if a compliant one can be recreated. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure how or whether to use this, this, this or this but the sections were archived so I have to start over.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I just started this list of canceled events, it's very incomplete, please help me expand it, or modify as needed. This by itself is a very notable wave of event cancelations probably on par with the second world war. Victor Grigas ( talk) 02:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
In Volume of testing table, India is mentioned with 4,058 tests. According to Gulf news, a total of 4,058 samples from 3,404 individuals have been tested (as of March 6). Multiple samples from the same individuals are tested. So it should be 3,404 IMO. - Nizil ( talk) 08:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The table cites worldometers.info, which according to its FAQ uses estimated numbers. It reports 1565 cases for Germany for the 10th of March while official numbers are still at 1296. I believe, that the table should either use official numbers or contain a note, stating which numbers are estimated. 128.176.164.13 ( talk) 09:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Fully agree - Merged this from a previous comment: The epidemiology table obviously uses a mix of data from worldometer and others. Is there consent about the reliability of worldometer? I saw them citing regular newspapers as sources. They definitely diverge from the official resources eg. WHO or local health authorities. I feel that mixing sources comes close to something like individal primary research. Also - we don't need to reflect changes to the minute - there is no such thing as a real-time disease meter anywhere ... I'd vote to stick to WHO situation reports or at least to figures from the local health authorities. Semiliki ( talk) 12:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Chinese New Year (25 January) celebrations were cancelled in several places.[242] Private vehicle use was banned.[243] -> Chinese New Year (25 January) celebrations were cancelled and private vehicle use was banned in several places.[242][243]
Without specifying, it looks like the whole of China banned private vehicle use, but just in several places. -- MspreilsCN ( talk) 17:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The Turkish government recently announced closure of middle and high schools. Where would I put this information? Is this even relevant enough to be on this article? ApChrKey Talk 16:35, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Serbia now has 12 cases Lukapecanac ( talk) 07:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Israel now has 109 cases. [8] 77.125.118.173 ( talk) 19:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Why should a major, world outbreak of disease that started in China have a giant British English banner slapped on it? Trying to force people for every section for every country (including the American portions) to use British English is asinine. Regional articles, fine, but there are no "strong national ties" here except for possibly China (or Hong Kong?). And the previous discussions do not really suggest a consensus for this. No good reason to forcefully align an international article. Master of Time (talk) 21:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
There is an excellent graph in Financial Times [9] showing the sub/exponential spread for different countries based on John Hopkins data. Could we show something similar, instead of just comparing China to ROW? It would be great to see which countries succeeded in curbing the spread. 77.125.118.173 ( talk) 23:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Just realized there is a paywall. Here is a non-paywalled version so you can see which graph I am referring to. [10] 77.125.118.173 ( talk) 23:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
As it stands, the section on vaccine research is almost all speculation. We'd all love for there to be a vaccine, but the sequence of research, develop, testing, and production mean that reputable sources don't anticipate large scale vaccination in less than 18 months. I don't want to delete the whole section. Any suggestions? Robertpedley ( talk) 22:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion adding all of these to the lead is too many. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
User:Nick.mon I am not seeing consensus... Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 21:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, is there any chance to create a table similar to this one on BBCNewsnight with all types of social distancing measures imposed by different countries (schools and universities, food parlours and restaurants, sporting event, mass gatherings, travel restriction and lockdowns)? I think that it could help to get a better picture of the situation. With a color code such as green=nothing, red=total yellow=partial. I am not good with tables but the sources are probably all there in the article.-- Alexmar983 ( talk) 23:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Once again, a graphic of the epidemic curve has popped up again in the "management" section. The objective of a delay/mitigation strategy is to recognise that spread of an epidemic can not be stopped, but it can be held back so as to avoid overloading the health system. I'd like to some explanation of the strategy to Wikipedia, either here or on an epidemiology page, but I can't find any reliable source. Any suggestions? Robertpedley ( talk) 12:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree that its a horrible diagram and it's WP:OR. The diagram that popped up on Sunday was better
but also OR. At least in the U.K. the "delay" strategy is aimed at flattening the curve [11]. I'd like to find a reliable source so that I can document this properly. Robertpedley ( talk) 16:50, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
This is in the article "A key part of managing an infectious disease outbreak is trying to decrease the epidemic peak, known as flattening the epidemic curve. [2] This helps decrease the risk of health services being overwhelmed and providing more time for a vaccine and treatment to be developed. [2]"
That article states "A key issue for epidemiologists is helping policy makers decide the main objectives of mitigation—eg, minimising morbidity and associated mortality, avoiding an epidemic peak that overwhelms health-care services, keeping the effects on the economy within manageable levels, and flattening the epidemic curve to wait for vaccine development and manufacture on scale and antiviral drug therapies."
The before and after is supposed to have the same area under the curse and it dose. Should we remove the bottom bit? I guess we could. The first caption is someone not taking the disease seriously and the second caption is what happens when one puts in place mitigating measures. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 03:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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A key issue for epidemiologists is helping policy makers decide the main objectives of mitigation—eg, minimising morbidity and associated mortality, avoiding an epidemic peak that overwhelms health-care services, keeping the effects on the economy within manageable levels, and flattening the epidemic curve to wait for vaccine development and manufacture on scale and antiviral drug therapies.Cite error: The named reference "Lancet2020Flatten" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
"In some cases of COVID-19, people have no symptoms."
This sentence is unsourced. Who in hell's world thought it was a good idea to add this to the article? MadGuy7023 ( talk) 21:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Are there any reasons for children (whether or not divided into 'young, with limited vaccination record' and 'older, with a reasonably full vaccination or natural immunisation record) not being affected by the virus?
Ditto the proportion of people who for whatever reasons have a sufficiently mild dose of the disease for it not to be recognised as such ('just a throat/a cold')? 89.197.114.196 ( talk) 16:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Why are we still using the broad term “coronavirus” when it refers to a family virus that causes a simple common cold to as severe as SARS, MERS, and the new COVID-19 when we can use the official taxonomic name of the virus Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 just like the wiki article for 2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus outbreak. Hushskyliner ( talk) 04:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-drastic-measures-issued-globally-pandemic/story?id=69551458 claims 1,663 cases and 40 deaths in the USA. CoronavirusPlagueDoctor ( talk) 02:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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@ Rhain: Can you add a link to Black Thursday (2020) to the list of socio-economic impacts? 2604:2000:69D9:B800:55DB:D392:A429:BCFB ( talk) 01:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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Add BNO News as a reference for the coronavirus case numbers/death numbers/etc. https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/ 2604:2000:69D9:B800:55DB:D392:A429:BCFB ( talk) 01:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved by Amakuru 17:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC) per
Special:Permalink/945073603#Requested move 11 March 2020. Originally closed by
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Regardless of the fact that the WHO no longer declares pandemics, this clearly meets the definition of pandemic as having widespread community transmission on multiple continents. We should change the title to "2019-20 coronavirus pandemic". 38.124.35.11 ( talk) 17:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
The WHO defines a pandemic as a situation in which “the whole world’s population would likely be exposed to this infection and potentially a proportion of them fall sick,” Michael Ryan, who heads the WHO’s emergencies programme, has said.Although I easily concede that the WHO does not own the word on Wikipedia, or indeed in the language of English, we have to again look at our policies. The use of the word, without this current expanded definition, especially in any article titles, is very unlikely to be WP:PRECISE and cause confusion in the general reader. --02:23, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
"we are not at the mercy of the #coronavirus. Over the weekend we crossed 100K reported cases in 100 countries. Now that it has a foothold in so many countries, the threat of a pandemic has become very real. But it would be the first pandemic in history that could be controlled." World Health Organization Dr Tedros Adhanom Director-General-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 20:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
If we had an article on the pandemic, then we might want a separate one on the outbreak. So something like
2019–20 coronavirus outbreak and
2020 coronavirus pandemic. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable)
22:27, 10 March 2020 (UTC).
WHO has officially declared this a pandemic and the title should be rename from outbreak to Pandemic to reflect the update status Efuture2 ( talk) 17:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/who-declares-the-coronavirus-outbreak-a-global-pandemic.html Efuture2 ( talk) 17:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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Rephrase grammar: Another recent, and rapidly accelerating fallout of the disease is the cancellation of major events including the film industry, music festivals and concerts, technology conferences, fashion shows and sports.
Cancellation of the film industry doesn't make grammatical sense, but it applies to the other events, maybe except sports. 2604:2000:69D9:B800:55DB:D392:A429:BCFB ( talk) 01:39, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change the phrase "Stocks plunged again based on coronavirus fears, the largest fall being on 9 March 2020." to "Stocks plunged again based on coronavirus fears, the largest fall being on 12 March 2020." A source is needed, and therefore, https://apple.news/ANXEb6z-cR4CoP3ZHIABYAw can be a good source ( https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/historic-market-plunge-traders-describe-a-day-that-went-from-uncertainty-to-panic.html / Historic market plunge: Traders describe a day that went from 'uncertainty to panic') 2604:2000:69D9:B800:55DB:D392:A429:BCFB ( talk) 01:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
The official Irani source does not provide recovered numbers [15]. And 7 march recoveries are higher than 5 days prior total cases, which is impossible. Elk Salmon ( talk) 12:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
To anyone who can edit.The Coronavirus cases in India has increased to 75 from previous 74. Please edit it. Vasprad ( talk) 13:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Why did the animated map disappeared on 4th March and came back on 7th or 8th March and disappeared a day later and only came back yesterday or today. Hi poland ( talk) 16:03, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Can someone remove a person’s case after they got recovered or there is actually the normal amount of cases and recoveries as well. Hi poland ( talk) 16:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Time to call this the correct name for it (Wuhan Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic). Same as "Spanish Flu", "Hong Kong Flu", "Mid East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)", and "West Nile Virus" are all appropriate names for viruses and the geographic locations in which they first came from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:A845:CD00:B463:53BF:2DA4:FFDD ( talk) 07:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
@Graeme Bartlett: of course the statistics that is announced by Iran's ministry of health isn't reliable at all. Iran's government has had many false reports and wrongdoings in history and you can search for them in the internet. But we should always rely on the formal statistics. Aminabzz ( talk) 11:32, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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This article is now about 320k long (that's the length of a novel) and takes quite some time to load, especially for those not on modern technology.
The page needs reducing.
I have created a fork of the Domestic response section which I proposed to split off a couple of days ago at #Domestic response - the article is at Domestic responses to the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak. It is 91k.
I leave it up to the editors of this page to decide if this is a good thing, and if they want to complete the split (which I don't have time for tonight).
If you decide against, you have my permission to {{
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the new page on my behalf, or copy it to a holding page, etc..
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable)
23:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC).
The Domestic Response section now has multiple short paragraphs like this...
I feel we should be able to chop most of these, but how do we give people clear links to the multiple country articles (apart from expecting them to scroll down to the navbox)? Bondegezou ( talk) 12:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
Could you please update volume of testing for the Czech Republic? Daily updated data are available on the website of Ministry of Health. -- 78.99.138.225 ( talk) 07:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
i don't understand the point of having the same content on Domestic responses to the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak and on 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak#Domestic responses. It seems redundant and unnecessary, and as pointed out above, this article is becoming as long as a novel. would it be possible to have just a short summary on 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak#Domestic responses? personally i would do it but i don't have time and this article is being edited too often (understandably) Pancho507 ( talk) 10:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The Turkish MOH had reported that the first Covid-19 positive patient in Turkey. Regards, Aozm ( talk) 22:06, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
In an edit, a user removed the terminology "liberal leaning" to describe Vox, which is fine. However, if sources consider Vox News to be a left-leaning website, it is worth noting, so I propose the wording "centre-left" as a description in that sentence. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my contributions) 00:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change title of article from "Outbreak" to "Epidemic" Thelostone1224 ( talk) 15:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
In "protests in the special administrative region of Hong Kong have strengthened due to fears of immigration from mainland China", the word protests should be capitalised, since it stands at the beginning of a sentence. Niplav ( talk) 11:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Support as per WHO Mayankj429 ( talk) 16:59, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Support. Romper ( talk) 17:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The origin of coronavirus has not confirmed yet! We cannot put Wuhan there. It should be under investigation or unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.252.31 ( talk) 18:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. This seems uncontroversial, so closing now per WP:SNOW and unanimous support. — Amakuru ( talk) 17:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
2019–20 coronavirus outbreak →
2019–20 coronavirus pandemic – Finally declared by WHO...
finally... accidentally posted on article page.
Noah
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https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/11/814474930/coronavirus-covid-19-is-now-officially-a-pandemic-who-says https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944
The result of the move request was: All moved per consistency with the above RM. Slightly busy now, so anyone may make the actual moves unless there's a technical difficulty, in which case let me know. Cheers — Amakuru ( talk) 17:36, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
– This first eight articles that have current names like "coronavirus outbreak" needs to moved in order to aligned to new name per WTO statement. I propose that all country specific articles that retain coronavirus outbreak name must be replaced by coronavirus pandemic. 36.77.94.26 ( talk) 17:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Done I finished the proposed moves above. Also, can someone please move all of the country-specific articles to the appropriate title? (Ex.
2020 coronavirus outbreak in Italy to
2020 coronavirus pandemic in Italy.) There are dozens of those articles, and I don't have the time or the energy to carry out such a massive move at this moment.
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I took out the following:
The map is misleading, as Scotland, England/Wales and N Ireland all have separate school systems. The map seems to have the whole UK one colour, reflecting N Ireland's one temporary school closure. I'm not sure such a map is helpful, given that it will have to be constantly redrawn, but if we are to have one, it should be accurate. -- The Huhsz ( talk) 23:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
This section seems very out of place in the article, and at first glance appears to be potential propaganda on behalf of the Chinese government. Ostronomer ( talk) 17:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't hold your breath. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.130.179.8 ( talk) 17:37, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I think that you could cure the corona virus by reprogramming the apoptosis to Attack the infected cells and maybe even the rna code It self. Plus if we can clone sheep, if we can reprogram plants US humans can reprogram the apoptosis to Hunt the infected cells and the virus It self. Maybe i'm Just stupid but of someone can do It It would be helpfull Antonsko ( talk) 18:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
WP:FORUM, folks - cease, please.
It is still necessary update information in all Airliners. Most are travelling Empty or Terminated Flights. Air Asia is also travelling Gratis. I know seems a turbulence time or a pacification of Business or for example Alitalia who goes Bankruptcy closed next Month, but someone more expert with updated precise information in area should have to update the pages, thanks [2] If I do i am sure like every time conflict of interests, someone will do an undo, you know how wiki is.
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Serbia now has 18 cases. To stay up to date visit covid19.rs Lukapecanac ( talk) 19:18, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data is now huge. It takes up this massive slice of screenspace for the article. Can we do something about that? Have it collapsed from the start? Just not have it on this article? Summarise the data better? Bondegezou ( talk) 20:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Just noticed that the Diamond Princess has disappeared from the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak by country and territory chart. Multiple countries broke the quarantine in the middle of it and evacuated their citizens to place them under their own quarantine. When combining Japan and the DP figures, I'm wondering if we have taken into account that several quarantines of the cruise case did not take place in Japan. I know the US evacuated their citizens on the cruise and included it in their own number. Apart from Japan, other countries with citizens onboard may not have included the DP in their figures, but others like the US have, hence why it becomes confusing if we simply just add the two. The WHO and Johns Hopkins site still lists it as a separate category. I'm sure in the future they will sort this all out with the DP. 146.151.113.93 ( talk) 17:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
Can someone add a column showing the "total population of each country" on the "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory" table that shows all the countries affected by the coronavirus? This would help put things in perspective.
Thanks! Vincent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.44.210 ( talk) 21:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.108.149.192 ( talk) 20:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure but it should be added back -- Colin dm ( talk) 20:59, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
ok, understood — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.108.149.192 ( talk) 22:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
It would be a simple calculation of "deaths/cases" or "recoveries/cases" as a percentage.
Percentages provide better context rather than raw numbers. The sorting can be kept as the same default if you like. But sorting the death/recovery percentages gets better transparency and visibility to health care workers and professionals, and public health officials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivasundar ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic&diff=945117857&oldid=945117653 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:69D9:B800:AD8E:D0FC:EACB:FE51 ( talk) 22:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I think we can call them Domestic public health responses, because that's what they are. This isn't the governments primarily driving this, or the public driving this, it is public health physicians, the epidemiologists, the biostatiscians and infection prevention and control agencies, all "public health", terminology which has been in the lead for some time. -- Almaty ( talk) 13:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
There's now a disambiguation notice at the top of the topic on desktop. Is it really needed? The current title is pretty unambiguous and there have been no other coronavirus pandemics.
"Coronavirus pandemic" redirects here. For other outbreaks of different strains of coronavirus, see Coronavirus outbreak (disambiguation).
- Wikmoz ( talk) 22:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The total number of cases is a meaningless statistic. Pretend the US has 3,000 cases, and pretend also that Spain has 3,000 cases. Those numbers mean very different things. That would mean that 0.0065% of the Spanish population is infected, while 0.00091% of the US population is infected. In other words, a Spaniard is over 7 times as likely to be infected as an American, by this hypothetical example. That's why epidemiologists always use cases per 100,000 (or cases per some number) to describe the incidence of a disease. Dcs002 ( talk) 20:24, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Business Insider is reporting from Daily NK that almost 200 North Korean soldiers have died. Shearonink ( talk) 22:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
This report is questionable at best and as such should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Not only is its utilization of anonymous sources questionable, but the idea that 180 KPA soldiers have died from the virus is implausible currently. Even if the DPRK hadn't closed down border transit, enforced public health measures like mask wearing, etc. that many deaths among KPA soldiers would either suggest that the KPA is full of elderly soldiers, or that potentially as many as 90,000 are infected in the KPA alone seeing as the mortality rate among the 17-30 age range found within the KPA has consistently been 0.2% in other countries. As such, this would also suggest that there are potentially thousands of deaths in the DPRK among the elderly, unless the spread has been exclusively restricted to the KPA. Regardless of how implausible that statistic is, it's doubtful that a county with 1/56th the population of (with similar population density as) China while carrying out similarly strict disease control measures, would somehow be rivaling China in terms of number of infections. -- 24.156.99.220 ( talk) 09:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
I would recommend the rewriting of the North Korea section under Domestic Responses, both to include information about the actual confirmed domestic response (mask wearing initiatives, border closing, etc.) and to remove the questionable information currently presented there, if not clarifying its dubiousness. There has still only been a single, unverified report (Daily NK, via an anonymous source, on March 9) behind the claim of near 200 dead within the KPA and of officer executions for infections among their forces. Many other outlets have picked up the story despite the lack of verification, however this is typical for the limited journalistic integrity when it comes to reporting done on the DPRK, such as the widespread reporting of the later debunked "sarcasm ban." As stated previously, the claim of near 200 dead within the KPA is also very unlikely statistically speaking, as an immense outbreak in the DPRK would be necessary to lead to nearly 200 deaths in a force which comprises less than 10% of the already relatively small population, and is primarily populated with individuals in an age range with a mortality rate of only 0.2% internationally. This would likely be far higher than the 3,700 KPA soldiers under quarantine claimed by Daily NK, unless the mortality rate for the 17-30 age range is 25 times that in the DPRK than in the rest of the world. That no other sources (foreign intelligence agencies, foreign missions in the DPRK, etc.) have been able to verify the 180+ KPA dead claim, much less reported on what would be an outbreak comparable to the scale of that in Wuhan among a much smaller population, should be enough reason to doubt the report as of now. -
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The infobox has a colour-coding caption distinguishing the colours of countries with
The map, File:COVID-19 Outbreak World Map.svg, has another colour for countries with 0 confirmed cases, like Zambia. Please add a fifth line for countries with 0 confirmed cases. 208.95.49.53 ( talk) 19:33, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Under self-isolation, I've previously linked to the CDC's instructions for sick individuals, which are the clearest I've found to date. It seems harmless to include but the link has been twice removed so I don't want to add it back without consensus. I think the public health benefit of providing this link outweighs any MOS guideline but I may well be wrong.
On a related note, there's some confusion about self-isolation vs. self-quarantine. Not sure that the distinction is too important but we should try to get it right. The 14 day recommendation applies to those in quarantine. There's still no standard guidance on when to end self-isolation.
- Wikmoz ( talk) 06:25, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Can this information be added in the article that spitting in public places to be avoided for prevention of the disease? I am adding references below to that it can be discussed.
Thank you. -- Dr. Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 06:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Need to check if the affected person are animal eaters Dhayalanandhini ( talk) 08:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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In the statistics-by-country chart, please change "Dominican" to "Dominican Republic" 2601:5C6:8080:100:D1E8:9C75:D7DE:BA08 ( talk) 05:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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Under section "Prevention", subsection "Vaccine research", the entry incorrectly identifies Phase III clinical trials for a vaccine candidate by Gilead Sciences Inc and Ascletis Pharma Inc. These are NOT trials for a vaccine, rather they are trials for potential antiviral drug therapies, namely, Remdesivir and ASC-09 + ritonavir (oral tablet).
Presumably sourced from the following citation [208]: https://www.bioworld.com/articles/433331-increasing-number-of-biopharma-drugs-target-covid-19-as-virus-spreads
Please address this. 66.68.143.217 ( talk) 22:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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The government of Guayna confirms its first coronavirus case on March 11. [3] -- cyrfaw ( talk) 10:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
In a previous discussion, which I can't find I had suggested adding a section on children and how their epidemiology is different . The comments were centered around having more [WP:MEDRS] sources and doing a draft. I have done the draft on "Infection in children" which I suggest should be included in the epidemiology section. Please discuss:
Early in the outbreak there was widespread concern about the risk to children because in seasonal flu both the very old and very young are at greater risk. [1] However, a large joint study between the WHO and China reported that only 2.4% of cases were in individuals under 18. [2] This is in line with the first SARS outbreak in which China data in a WHO consensus study indicated no fatalities in the 0-24 age group. [3] As a result, the European CDC has stated that Covid-19 “disease in children appears to be relatively rare and mild”. [4]
The reasons for the low infection rate amongst children are not yet understood. The joint WHO-China report noted that the virus had a “low [attack rate]” in the 18 and under group, indicating a lower susceptibility of infection in children. [5] However, another report based on surveillance and contact tracing in China concluded that “children were as likely as adults to be attacked by the virus” [6]. The CEO of the Coalition of Epidemic Preparedness Innovation has also stated that a study based on the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship indicated similar attack rates for groups below and above age 20. [7] Gegu0284 ( talk) 07:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Here is an abridged version: Only a small percentage of Covid-19 cases have occurred in children. Most cases are relatively mild with very low fatality rates in the under 18 age group. [4] This is similar to the first SARS outbreak. [5] The reasons for the low infection rate amongst children are not yet understood. A joint WHO-China report noted that the virus had a “low [attack rate]” in the 18 and under group, indicating a lower susceptibility of infection in children. [6] However, others have claimed that “children were as likely as adults to be attacked by the virus” [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gegu0284 ( talk • contribs) 11:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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I have noticed the time of Iran deaths edit has been made before Iranian authorities announcement of it. How did the editor know it? Aminabzz ( talk) 11:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The collage on the infobox looked good, please place it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaisersauce1 ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
File:CoronaVirus-01.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I thought the infobox image looked great as well, if a compliant one can be recreated. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure how or whether to use this, this, this or this but the sections were archived so I have to start over.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I just started this list of canceled events, it's very incomplete, please help me expand it, or modify as needed. This by itself is a very notable wave of event cancelations probably on par with the second world war. Victor Grigas ( talk) 02:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
In Volume of testing table, India is mentioned with 4,058 tests. According to Gulf news, a total of 4,058 samples from 3,404 individuals have been tested (as of March 6). Multiple samples from the same individuals are tested. So it should be 3,404 IMO. - Nizil ( talk) 08:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The table cites worldometers.info, which according to its FAQ uses estimated numbers. It reports 1565 cases for Germany for the 10th of March while official numbers are still at 1296. I believe, that the table should either use official numbers or contain a note, stating which numbers are estimated. 128.176.164.13 ( talk) 09:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Fully agree - Merged this from a previous comment: The epidemiology table obviously uses a mix of data from worldometer and others. Is there consent about the reliability of worldometer? I saw them citing regular newspapers as sources. They definitely diverge from the official resources eg. WHO or local health authorities. I feel that mixing sources comes close to something like individal primary research. Also - we don't need to reflect changes to the minute - there is no such thing as a real-time disease meter anywhere ... I'd vote to stick to WHO situation reports or at least to figures from the local health authorities. Semiliki ( talk) 12:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Chinese New Year (25 January) celebrations were cancelled in several places.[242] Private vehicle use was banned.[243] -> Chinese New Year (25 January) celebrations were cancelled and private vehicle use was banned in several places.[242][243]
Without specifying, it looks like the whole of China banned private vehicle use, but just in several places. -- MspreilsCN ( talk) 17:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The Turkish government recently announced closure of middle and high schools. Where would I put this information? Is this even relevant enough to be on this article? ApChrKey Talk 16:35, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Serbia now has 12 cases Lukapecanac ( talk) 07:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Israel now has 109 cases. [8] 77.125.118.173 ( talk) 19:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Why should a major, world outbreak of disease that started in China have a giant British English banner slapped on it? Trying to force people for every section for every country (including the American portions) to use British English is asinine. Regional articles, fine, but there are no "strong national ties" here except for possibly China (or Hong Kong?). And the previous discussions do not really suggest a consensus for this. No good reason to forcefully align an international article. Master of Time (talk) 21:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
There is an excellent graph in Financial Times [9] showing the sub/exponential spread for different countries based on John Hopkins data. Could we show something similar, instead of just comparing China to ROW? It would be great to see which countries succeeded in curbing the spread. 77.125.118.173 ( talk) 23:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Just realized there is a paywall. Here is a non-paywalled version so you can see which graph I am referring to. [10] 77.125.118.173 ( talk) 23:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
As it stands, the section on vaccine research is almost all speculation. We'd all love for there to be a vaccine, but the sequence of research, develop, testing, and production mean that reputable sources don't anticipate large scale vaccination in less than 18 months. I don't want to delete the whole section. Any suggestions? Robertpedley ( talk) 22:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion adding all of these to the lead is too many. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
User:Nick.mon I am not seeing consensus... Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 21:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, is there any chance to create a table similar to this one on BBCNewsnight with all types of social distancing measures imposed by different countries (schools and universities, food parlours and restaurants, sporting event, mass gatherings, travel restriction and lockdowns)? I think that it could help to get a better picture of the situation. With a color code such as green=nothing, red=total yellow=partial. I am not good with tables but the sources are probably all there in the article.-- Alexmar983 ( talk) 23:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Once again, a graphic of the epidemic curve has popped up again in the "management" section. The objective of a delay/mitigation strategy is to recognise that spread of an epidemic can not be stopped, but it can be held back so as to avoid overloading the health system. I'd like to some explanation of the strategy to Wikipedia, either here or on an epidemiology page, but I can't find any reliable source. Any suggestions? Robertpedley ( talk) 12:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree that its a horrible diagram and it's WP:OR. The diagram that popped up on Sunday was better
but also OR. At least in the U.K. the "delay" strategy is aimed at flattening the curve [11]. I'd like to find a reliable source so that I can document this properly. Robertpedley ( talk) 16:50, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
This is in the article "A key part of managing an infectious disease outbreak is trying to decrease the epidemic peak, known as flattening the epidemic curve. [2] This helps decrease the risk of health services being overwhelmed and providing more time for a vaccine and treatment to be developed. [2]"
That article states "A key issue for epidemiologists is helping policy makers decide the main objectives of mitigation—eg, minimising morbidity and associated mortality, avoiding an epidemic peak that overwhelms health-care services, keeping the effects on the economy within manageable levels, and flattening the epidemic curve to wait for vaccine development and manufacture on scale and antiviral drug therapies."
The before and after is supposed to have the same area under the curse and it dose. Should we remove the bottom bit? I guess we could. The first caption is someone not taking the disease seriously and the second caption is what happens when one puts in place mitigating measures. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 03:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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A key issue for epidemiologists is helping policy makers decide the main objectives of mitigation—eg, minimising morbidity and associated mortality, avoiding an epidemic peak that overwhelms health-care services, keeping the effects on the economy within manageable levels, and flattening the epidemic curve to wait for vaccine development and manufacture on scale and antiviral drug therapies.Cite error: The named reference "Lancet2020Flatten" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
"In some cases of COVID-19, people have no symptoms."
This sentence is unsourced. Who in hell's world thought it was a good idea to add this to the article? MadGuy7023 ( talk) 21:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Are there any reasons for children (whether or not divided into 'young, with limited vaccination record' and 'older, with a reasonably full vaccination or natural immunisation record) not being affected by the virus?
Ditto the proportion of people who for whatever reasons have a sufficiently mild dose of the disease for it not to be recognised as such ('just a throat/a cold')? 89.197.114.196 ( talk) 16:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Why are we still using the broad term “coronavirus” when it refers to a family virus that causes a simple common cold to as severe as SARS, MERS, and the new COVID-19 when we can use the official taxonomic name of the virus Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 just like the wiki article for 2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus outbreak. Hushskyliner ( talk) 04:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-drastic-measures-issued-globally-pandemic/story?id=69551458 claims 1,663 cases and 40 deaths in the USA. CoronavirusPlagueDoctor ( talk) 02:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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@ Rhain: Can you add a link to Black Thursday (2020) to the list of socio-economic impacts? 2604:2000:69D9:B800:55DB:D392:A429:BCFB ( talk) 01:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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Add BNO News as a reference for the coronavirus case numbers/death numbers/etc. https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/ 2604:2000:69D9:B800:55DB:D392:A429:BCFB ( talk) 01:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved by Amakuru 17:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC) per
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Regardless of the fact that the WHO no longer declares pandemics, this clearly meets the definition of pandemic as having widespread community transmission on multiple continents. We should change the title to "2019-20 coronavirus pandemic". 38.124.35.11 ( talk) 17:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
The WHO defines a pandemic as a situation in which “the whole world’s population would likely be exposed to this infection and potentially a proportion of them fall sick,” Michael Ryan, who heads the WHO’s emergencies programme, has said.Although I easily concede that the WHO does not own the word on Wikipedia, or indeed in the language of English, we have to again look at our policies. The use of the word, without this current expanded definition, especially in any article titles, is very unlikely to be WP:PRECISE and cause confusion in the general reader. --02:23, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
"we are not at the mercy of the #coronavirus. Over the weekend we crossed 100K reported cases in 100 countries. Now that it has a foothold in so many countries, the threat of a pandemic has become very real. But it would be the first pandemic in history that could be controlled." World Health Organization Dr Tedros Adhanom Director-General-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 20:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
If we had an article on the pandemic, then we might want a separate one on the outbreak. So something like
2019–20 coronavirus outbreak and
2020 coronavirus pandemic. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable)
22:27, 10 March 2020 (UTC).
WHO has officially declared this a pandemic and the title should be rename from outbreak to Pandemic to reflect the update status Efuture2 ( talk) 17:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/who-declares-the-coronavirus-outbreak-a-global-pandemic.html Efuture2 ( talk) 17:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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Rephrase grammar: Another recent, and rapidly accelerating fallout of the disease is the cancellation of major events including the film industry, music festivals and concerts, technology conferences, fashion shows and sports.
Cancellation of the film industry doesn't make grammatical sense, but it applies to the other events, maybe except sports. 2604:2000:69D9:B800:55DB:D392:A429:BCFB ( talk) 01:39, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change the phrase "Stocks plunged again based on coronavirus fears, the largest fall being on 9 March 2020." to "Stocks plunged again based on coronavirus fears, the largest fall being on 12 March 2020." A source is needed, and therefore, https://apple.news/ANXEb6z-cR4CoP3ZHIABYAw can be a good source ( https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/historic-market-plunge-traders-describe-a-day-that-went-from-uncertainty-to-panic.html / Historic market plunge: Traders describe a day that went from 'uncertainty to panic') 2604:2000:69D9:B800:55DB:D392:A429:BCFB ( talk) 01:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
The official Irani source does not provide recovered numbers [15]. And 7 march recoveries are higher than 5 days prior total cases, which is impossible. Elk Salmon ( talk) 12:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
To anyone who can edit.The Coronavirus cases in India has increased to 75 from previous 74. Please edit it. Vasprad ( talk) 13:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Why did the animated map disappeared on 4th March and came back on 7th or 8th March and disappeared a day later and only came back yesterday or today. Hi poland ( talk) 16:03, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Can someone remove a person’s case after they got recovered or there is actually the normal amount of cases and recoveries as well. Hi poland ( talk) 16:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Time to call this the correct name for it (Wuhan Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic). Same as "Spanish Flu", "Hong Kong Flu", "Mid East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)", and "West Nile Virus" are all appropriate names for viruses and the geographic locations in which they first came from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:A845:CD00:B463:53BF:2DA4:FFDD ( talk) 07:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
@Graeme Bartlett: of course the statistics that is announced by Iran's ministry of health isn't reliable at all. Iran's government has had many false reports and wrongdoings in history and you can search for them in the internet. But we should always rely on the formal statistics. Aminabzz ( talk) 11:32, 13 March 2020 (UTC)