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CCM (disambiguation) → CCM … Rationale: the latter was changed to a redirect to
Contemporary Christian music in January, but there are many things called CCM, Christian music doesn't seem to be overwhelmingly more popular than the rest, and the current setup is suboptimal. There's no discussion about this anywhere, but it doesn't seem particularly controversial. --
jacobolus(t)13:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Not that Contemporary Christian music is the most notable thing under the sun, but there isn't anything even remotely in its league at
CCM (disambiguation). I also reverted the redirect change pending discussion--hope you don't mind.
Matt Yeager♫(
Talk?)23:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Also, take a look at the "What Links Here" list. Do you want to have to fix all those links if we change this? Neither do I. They're virtually all links to the music, by the way (which would be expected, since the redirect's been in place for 3+ months, but I'd bet many have been around for much, much longer).
Matt Yeager♫(
Talk?)23:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong Support. The amount of cleanup should not be a factor in making this decision, it is simply cleanup that needs to be done. A redirect should not take large numbers of users to the wrong page. Given the number of entries on the DAB page, this seems a likely problem with the current setup.
Vegaswikian23:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)reply
COMMENT the first page of GOOGLE search on CCM does not even list "Contemporary Christian music" as a subject of linked to pages. Infact the top link is CCM sports! In Canada at least, CCM is synonymous with hockey equipment.
132.205.45.14818:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Done. Don't know what you mean, Matt, but when I google for CCM, I get Christian music as one of ten hits, with the other ten hits for completely unrelated topics. For me, it's clear that this means no primary topic exists, and the dab should be here. —
Nightstallion(?)Seen this already?10:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)reply
It's part of WP culture that would-be editors participate in "Is there a
WP:primary topic?" discussions without knowing what the question means. Popularity contests often have "winners" bcz they ask "who is most popular?", but we don't care, even if they are ten times as popular as the next competitor. The relevant question is "Does some topic account for >50% of the usages of the term. If bad music about bad theology accounted for 49.5% and Connecticut Climbers and Mountaineers were second, with .1%, the 50.1% who would otherwise have to turn around and come back to choose among the 500 or thousand other topics on the Dab page are *all* better served by "equal" disambiguation. And to a near certainty, the hymn-munchers -- who at most would be merely the first losers in the winnerless contest -- would still find the link they want right at the top of the Dab page whose name they typed in, one click (and approximately zero thought) away from their goal. So come down off your cross and enjoy the 'pedia, as most of our users do. --
Jerzy•
t12:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject Disambiguation, an attempt to structure and organize all
disambiguation pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, you can edit the page attached to this talk page, or visit the
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discussion.DisambiguationWikipedia:WikiProject DisambiguationTemplate:WikiProject DisambiguationDisambiguation articles
CCM (disambiguation) → CCM … Rationale: the latter was changed to a redirect to
Contemporary Christian music in January, but there are many things called CCM, Christian music doesn't seem to be overwhelmingly more popular than the rest, and the current setup is suboptimal. There's no discussion about this anywhere, but it doesn't seem particularly controversial. --
jacobolus(t)13:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Not that Contemporary Christian music is the most notable thing under the sun, but there isn't anything even remotely in its league at
CCM (disambiguation). I also reverted the redirect change pending discussion--hope you don't mind.
Matt Yeager♫(
Talk?)23:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Also, take a look at the "What Links Here" list. Do you want to have to fix all those links if we change this? Neither do I. They're virtually all links to the music, by the way (which would be expected, since the redirect's been in place for 3+ months, but I'd bet many have been around for much, much longer).
Matt Yeager♫(
Talk?)23:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong Support. The amount of cleanup should not be a factor in making this decision, it is simply cleanup that needs to be done. A redirect should not take large numbers of users to the wrong page. Given the number of entries on the DAB page, this seems a likely problem with the current setup.
Vegaswikian23:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)reply
COMMENT the first page of GOOGLE search on CCM does not even list "Contemporary Christian music" as a subject of linked to pages. Infact the top link is CCM sports! In Canada at least, CCM is synonymous with hockey equipment.
132.205.45.14818:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Done. Don't know what you mean, Matt, but when I google for CCM, I get Christian music as one of ten hits, with the other ten hits for completely unrelated topics. For me, it's clear that this means no primary topic exists, and the dab should be here. —
Nightstallion(?)Seen this already?10:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)reply
It's part of WP culture that would-be editors participate in "Is there a
WP:primary topic?" discussions without knowing what the question means. Popularity contests often have "winners" bcz they ask "who is most popular?", but we don't care, even if they are ten times as popular as the next competitor. The relevant question is "Does some topic account for >50% of the usages of the term. If bad music about bad theology accounted for 49.5% and Connecticut Climbers and Mountaineers were second, with .1%, the 50.1% who would otherwise have to turn around and come back to choose among the 500 or thousand other topics on the Dab page are *all* better served by "equal" disambiguation. And to a near certainty, the hymn-munchers -- who at most would be merely the first losers in the winnerless contest -- would still find the link they want right at the top of the Dab page whose name they typed in, one click (and approximately zero thought) away from their goal. So come down off your cross and enjoy the 'pedia, as most of our users do. --
Jerzy•
t12:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply