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This is an oddly written article. It presents a very positive view of Howe, and doesn't really explain why he was so hated by many people across the political spectrum. Parts of it sound more like boosterism than an encyclopaedia:
Howe knew that what Canada lacked was not money or resources but “managerial skill.” From all over Canada, he recruited his “boys.” The press called them the “buck-a-year men,” but they were the best in the business and now the business was winning a war.
It makes various, bold opinions without sourcing:
The pipeline project, the first for Canada at that time, was eventually built, and proved to be completely sound in every respect.
At least one passage seems to be plagarised.
Unemployed workers of the "Dirty '30s" built airstrips across the country, and Trans-Canada Airlines, Air Canada's predecessor, was established as a Crown corporation. Howe helped to establish the National Harbours Board and centralize the administration of ports. He reformed the debt-laden CNR and created the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
appears to be taken from Transport Canada's biography. The article would benefit from more in-line citations. The positive slant may be due to Bothwell and Kilbourn's biography and not the Wikipedia authors themselves. Additional, contrasting sources would be of benefit, as would review by editors with a good grap of Wikipedia's POV policies. 128.100.52.93 ( talk) 01:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
IT also claims he created the CBC, which is only partially true. The precursor to the CBC was the CRBC (canadian radio broadcasting corporation) created by Bennet's government in 1932 following the Aird Commissions report. Howe merely changed the name by dropping the R. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.216.96 ( talk) 04:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
The caption under the photo calls him the Right Honourable. I could be wrong, but I think Right Honourable is only designated to the Prime Minister. Support? Dissent? -- The Fwanksta ( talk) 00:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Prominent members of the cabinet are also styled "the Right Honourable". (See The Right Honourable#Canada.) vıd ıoman 00:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I have adjusted all WikiProject ratings to "C" class because the article lacks inline referencing. It ought to be judged against the B class criteria before being designated a B class article. PK T(alk) 21:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see if this can be gotten to FA either for the 125th anniversary of his birth in January or for TFA on a future Canada Day.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 13:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I think it should be capitalized. It is a short form of "Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition"-- Wehwalt ( talk) 02:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I know I said I would wait until the main revisions are in place, but if I or other editors do make a preliminary edit, it is because there is a need to revise or alter a statement. FWiW, see "dollar-a-year" club edit. Bzuk ( talk) 02:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
If you see slant, I'm happy to discuss it now, after all, if a road is being built in the wrong direction best not to wait until after you've laid ten miles of it.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 16:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
(outdent)I'm not totally ignorant of this, plus many of the key personnel moved across the border and were lost to Canada. But I digress. I have a news clipping from the '58 campaign which mentions that Pearson's plane was delayed in Toronto because the runway was closed to allow an Arrow landing after a major flight, and the article states several quotes about how beautiful the plane was as Pearson and his people watched it land. Not that it helped Pearson. Or the plane.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 03:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
"The Avro Arrow and its subsequent powerplant was controversially cancelled by the Diefenbaker government in 1959." True, but what is "and its subsequent powerplant" and why should it be in an article about Howe?-- Wehwalt ( talk) 14:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Also, in a footnote we say that 13 of Howe's Boys and Howe himself received an OBE. Howe never had an OBE. For sure it would be in this article as a postnominal, his bios don't mention it and I searched the London Gazette. He's in there once, when he's made a member of the Imperial Privy Council. And I checked the permutations of his name. Suggest we strike the mention of the OBE for anyone unless we can confirm the others all got OBEs through the Gazette.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 17:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I looked at the image page at LAC. It says it was taken by a private photographer in London. What the Canadian government does or does not do is irrelevant, it can't affect a British copyright. "Official" photographs may be subject to copyrights, we have dealt with this several times recently. By what theory do you say it is PD?-- Wehwalt ( talk) 22:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Martin H. agrees with me on the 1942 image, and that there needs to be more information to determine if the Time is public domain or not. And watch, please, what you are adding. Roberts never said that, he was quoting Lord Beaverbrook, and it's misquoted, there's a missing "of". Since Beav was a contemporary, I don't really consider it part of his legacy, but perhaps add it further up.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 05:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Congrats on the FA. Re this sentence: "He is credited with transforming the Canadian economy from agriculture-based to industrial." This could be reworded. Just because he was a leading politician during that period, that doesn't mean that he changed the economy from X to Y.-- 75.83.70.28 ( talk) 15:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
'setting up Victory Aircraft Limited as a Crown Corporation, with J.P. Bickell, one of Howe's "dollar-a-year club" as president and chairman of the board.[57] Victory Aircraft recovered and went on to become one of Howe's greatest industrial successes'
Recovered from what? Should this be "prospered" or something similar, instead? -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 03:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I was browsing the LAC and found some nice images of this 'non-elected hero' of our country. If you goto my recent uploads in commons you will see 2-3 of them. Someone may wish to include them in this article.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 00:00, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
You are very welcome. LAC has a search - images function. I came across these when I was looking for other images. You may try C. D. Howe in search and see how many other good ones they have. Most are no copyright I assume.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 00:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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@ Wehwalt: In the "Pipeline debate" section, the second paragraph is about the Department of Defence Production. I don't think it relates to the pipeline debate, but I also don't think it should be removed. Instead, I think the sections should be renamed to something like "Second St. Laurent mandate". Thoughts? Z1720 ( talk) 16:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi @ Wehwalt:, in this sentence, "While at school, he became a favourite pupil of Professor George Swain;" is this George Fillmore Swain? Z1720 ( talk) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
After finishing a copyedit, I am surprised at the lack of information on Howe's legacy, other than things named for him. What influence did Howe have on the structure of Canadian government, war efforts, or a minister's power in the government today? Perhaps a paragraph can be added about how he influenced politics. Z1720 ( talk) 16:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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This is an oddly written article. It presents a very positive view of Howe, and doesn't really explain why he was so hated by many people across the political spectrum. Parts of it sound more like boosterism than an encyclopaedia:
Howe knew that what Canada lacked was not money or resources but “managerial skill.” From all over Canada, he recruited his “boys.” The press called them the “buck-a-year men,” but they were the best in the business and now the business was winning a war.
It makes various, bold opinions without sourcing:
The pipeline project, the first for Canada at that time, was eventually built, and proved to be completely sound in every respect.
At least one passage seems to be plagarised.
Unemployed workers of the "Dirty '30s" built airstrips across the country, and Trans-Canada Airlines, Air Canada's predecessor, was established as a Crown corporation. Howe helped to establish the National Harbours Board and centralize the administration of ports. He reformed the debt-laden CNR and created the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
appears to be taken from Transport Canada's biography. The article would benefit from more in-line citations. The positive slant may be due to Bothwell and Kilbourn's biography and not the Wikipedia authors themselves. Additional, contrasting sources would be of benefit, as would review by editors with a good grap of Wikipedia's POV policies. 128.100.52.93 ( talk) 01:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
IT also claims he created the CBC, which is only partially true. The precursor to the CBC was the CRBC (canadian radio broadcasting corporation) created by Bennet's government in 1932 following the Aird Commissions report. Howe merely changed the name by dropping the R. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.216.96 ( talk) 04:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
The caption under the photo calls him the Right Honourable. I could be wrong, but I think Right Honourable is only designated to the Prime Minister. Support? Dissent? -- The Fwanksta ( talk) 00:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Prominent members of the cabinet are also styled "the Right Honourable". (See The Right Honourable#Canada.) vıd ıoman 00:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I have adjusted all WikiProject ratings to "C" class because the article lacks inline referencing. It ought to be judged against the B class criteria before being designated a B class article. PK T(alk) 21:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see if this can be gotten to FA either for the 125th anniversary of his birth in January or for TFA on a future Canada Day.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 13:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I think it should be capitalized. It is a short form of "Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition"-- Wehwalt ( talk) 02:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I know I said I would wait until the main revisions are in place, but if I or other editors do make a preliminary edit, it is because there is a need to revise or alter a statement. FWiW, see "dollar-a-year" club edit. Bzuk ( talk) 02:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
If you see slant, I'm happy to discuss it now, after all, if a road is being built in the wrong direction best not to wait until after you've laid ten miles of it.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 16:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
(outdent)I'm not totally ignorant of this, plus many of the key personnel moved across the border and were lost to Canada. But I digress. I have a news clipping from the '58 campaign which mentions that Pearson's plane was delayed in Toronto because the runway was closed to allow an Arrow landing after a major flight, and the article states several quotes about how beautiful the plane was as Pearson and his people watched it land. Not that it helped Pearson. Or the plane.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 03:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
"The Avro Arrow and its subsequent powerplant was controversially cancelled by the Diefenbaker government in 1959." True, but what is "and its subsequent powerplant" and why should it be in an article about Howe?-- Wehwalt ( talk) 14:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Also, in a footnote we say that 13 of Howe's Boys and Howe himself received an OBE. Howe never had an OBE. For sure it would be in this article as a postnominal, his bios don't mention it and I searched the London Gazette. He's in there once, when he's made a member of the Imperial Privy Council. And I checked the permutations of his name. Suggest we strike the mention of the OBE for anyone unless we can confirm the others all got OBEs through the Gazette.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 17:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I looked at the image page at LAC. It says it was taken by a private photographer in London. What the Canadian government does or does not do is irrelevant, it can't affect a British copyright. "Official" photographs may be subject to copyrights, we have dealt with this several times recently. By what theory do you say it is PD?-- Wehwalt ( talk) 22:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Martin H. agrees with me on the 1942 image, and that there needs to be more information to determine if the Time is public domain or not. And watch, please, what you are adding. Roberts never said that, he was quoting Lord Beaverbrook, and it's misquoted, there's a missing "of". Since Beav was a contemporary, I don't really consider it part of his legacy, but perhaps add it further up.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 05:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Congrats on the FA. Re this sentence: "He is credited with transforming the Canadian economy from agriculture-based to industrial." This could be reworded. Just because he was a leading politician during that period, that doesn't mean that he changed the economy from X to Y.-- 75.83.70.28 ( talk) 15:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
'setting up Victory Aircraft Limited as a Crown Corporation, with J.P. Bickell, one of Howe's "dollar-a-year club" as president and chairman of the board.[57] Victory Aircraft recovered and went on to become one of Howe's greatest industrial successes'
Recovered from what? Should this be "prospered" or something similar, instead? -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 03:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I was browsing the LAC and found some nice images of this 'non-elected hero' of our country. If you goto my recent uploads in commons you will see 2-3 of them. Someone may wish to include them in this article.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 00:00, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
You are very welcome. LAC has a search - images function. I came across these when I was looking for other images. You may try C. D. Howe in search and see how many other good ones they have. Most are no copyright I assume.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 00:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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@ Wehwalt: In the "Pipeline debate" section, the second paragraph is about the Department of Defence Production. I don't think it relates to the pipeline debate, but I also don't think it should be removed. Instead, I think the sections should be renamed to something like "Second St. Laurent mandate". Thoughts? Z1720 ( talk) 16:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi @ Wehwalt:, in this sentence, "While at school, he became a favourite pupil of Professor George Swain;" is this George Fillmore Swain? Z1720 ( talk) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
After finishing a copyedit, I am surprised at the lack of information on Howe's legacy, other than things named for him. What influence did Howe have on the structure of Canadian government, war efforts, or a minister's power in the government today? Perhaps a paragraph can be added about how he influenced politics. Z1720 ( talk) 16:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)