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Kiefer. Wolfowitz 03:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC) I suggest the following as a draft:
Did you know?
Comment: It would be better to replace this quotation, by University of Michigan colleague George Bornstein, with so another quote. The best source would be Northrop Frye, because of his stature (at least in my ignorant judgment) and because a similar judgment is quoted by Summers & Pebworth (at U Michigan-Dearborn)---so even the quotation is not OR!
Also, I have been unable to check on the 3 Milton Quarterly articles. I remember quaint euphemisms, roughly like "the role of an English Professor at a British University is especially suited for a bachelor", "illness associated with a way of life that is subject to prejudice", etc. I suppose that his colleagues wished to preserve the privacy with which his life was lived. Kiefer. Wolfowitz 06:38, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
UPDATE: Kiefer. Wolfowitz 21:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC) Did you know?
I'm thinking we should rename the article C. A. Patrides. That's the name on his books and his name in the LoC catalog. -- Kenatipo speak! 17:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
George Anastaplo merits an article. Kiefer. Wolfowitz 05:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Professor Campbell lacked a photograph.
Perhaps heroes would ask George Bornstein (UM Ann Arbor), Summers & Pebworth (UM Dearborn), the Chair at UM Ann Arbor, and the contact at the Patrides Lecture at York University?
I shall ask the King of Sweden and Paul Newman! :)
Kiefer. Wolfowitz 06:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- "Patrides Lecture Series (1987)
The University of York is establishing a series of distinguished lectures on seventeenth century topics, to run for ten years, in memory of C.A. Patrides, to be called The Patrides Lectures. Any financial support towards this project would be gratefully received. Please write for more information, and/or send a cheque (in sterling or dollars, made out to The University of York) to:
- Hermione Lee
- Department of English
- University of York
- Heslington
- York YO1 5DD"
The Patrides lectures continue still, as noted kindly by Charles Matthews. Kiefer. Wolfowitz 06:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The Patriarch of Jerusalem is not the Pope. Dying of AIDS is not an achievement. -- Kenatipo speak! 14:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The quotations you've put in the headings, however apt, are probably a violation of the MOS. I'm uneasy about making C.A.P. a posthumous poster-child for any cause -- you've told me he was very private about his private life and that his colleagues respected this. We should respect it also. -- Kenatipo speak! 15:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps erase "despite"? just "Being a boy" conveys all the information. Sasha ( talk) 03:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Neat subject. Just some thoughts from looking at it, no need to do anything.
1. Notify (regarding front page appearance) the uni where the man has a named chair and (if you can) his family. People are really touched when we run things on the front page...and this sort of shmoozing makes us more professional and can lead to image donations and the like. Let them know now that it is coming. Then when it goes in queue, let them know the exact time. It is a small gesture, but builds goodwill and bridges to the real world.
2. I think American English makes more sense given the man was born and died here.
3. The memorials read more pleasantly in terms of giving a feel for the man. I had to struggle a little with some of the hard writing here. Consider simplifying the number of literary or the like abstract concepts mentioned within same sentences. Also, simplify the sentence structure grammatically. Really just look at the other online sources and see how they give a better quick feel for the man. Perhaps Wehwalt can advise. He has a very nice touch on bios and on the narrative flow that makes reading his stuff pleasant (lots of learning still..but smooth and fun).
4. An image would really be tits. See if you can get a donation.
5. Perhaps getting any books by him, there is dust jacket bio info (family)? Also, looking at his published papers and Ph.D. thesis might be helpful a Ph.D. is formally published). Both for the content as well as sometimes there are snippets of biography. I know some people put a resume in their thesis for example.
6. Onwards to GA...
TCO ( talk) 14:58, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
(1)"The resistance was led by the Greek Communist Party, which he later regarded as a danger, when he identified himself as a "firm anti-Communist";[3] his anti-Communism was Christian and humanitarian, the same traditions which nourished his criticisms of conformity in Renaissance England or his own time." (That's the one that felt like we had about 6 different abstract concepts running around.)
(2) Yup. Wiki in general overuses semicolons. They have been dying out in prose for about 100 years now. I think Wiki does it to compensate for not being real academic work. This place is the only one were I encounter so many.
Also, look at some of the other sentences that have several clauses or several clauses along with parenthetical commaed phrases. There's a way to do it wrong with being too stachato. But I think you need more stachato. Also consider that if the material is "hard" (e.g. literary schools of thought) then keep the sentences simpler.
But seriously just count words in the sentences of those pieces and compare to sentence length here. It's not awful. But...well...I just enjoyed reading the source docs more and felt more easily drawn in. See what you can do!
(3) Nothing to do with hardness, but one I don't understand: "His knowledge of languages and literatures enabled him to place texts in their historical contexts." What does that mean? That he could read original versions? That he could read other literature of the time? (from the same location?) Read historical primary sources? Maybe the whole thing could be expanded to more of a paragraph with some examples and exposition?
TCO ( talk) 00:27, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
I had seen that passage. It is still kind of vague. Maybe read a few of the essays and see him doing it in action? Someone will accuse you of OR-SYNTH, but try walking as close to that line as you can. You are trying to get us information...not to push some weird theory or the like. Sometimes you can kind of build something by using quotes and it is a bit less of an assertion. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_reptile#Justification]. Here you do have the Fry remark which is a global assertion and then maybe you can bundle an example under (or in a quotebox). TCO ( talk) 01:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Kiefer, when did the English Reformation end? In the Achievements section, we say Milton was a literary leader in the Reformation and the Civil War. The Reformation in England started in 1534 with Henry VIII, but Milton wasn't born until 1608. Do you see what I mean? The wiki article on the English Reformation says it was a series of events in the 16th century.
The second question is an MoS thing. Shouldn't the names of "schools" or "periods" of poetry, for example, be capitalized? To me, there's a big difference between a romantic poet and a Romantic poet. Same with metaphysical and modernist. I'd appreciate your thoughts. -- Kenatipo speak! 00:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
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Kiefer. Wolfowitz 03:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC) I suggest the following as a draft:
Did you know?
Comment: It would be better to replace this quotation, by University of Michigan colleague George Bornstein, with so another quote. The best source would be Northrop Frye, because of his stature (at least in my ignorant judgment) and because a similar judgment is quoted by Summers & Pebworth (at U Michigan-Dearborn)---so even the quotation is not OR!
Also, I have been unable to check on the 3 Milton Quarterly articles. I remember quaint euphemisms, roughly like "the role of an English Professor at a British University is especially suited for a bachelor", "illness associated with a way of life that is subject to prejudice", etc. I suppose that his colleagues wished to preserve the privacy with which his life was lived. Kiefer. Wolfowitz 06:38, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
UPDATE: Kiefer. Wolfowitz 21:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC) Did you know?
I'm thinking we should rename the article C. A. Patrides. That's the name on his books and his name in the LoC catalog. -- Kenatipo speak! 17:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
George Anastaplo merits an article. Kiefer. Wolfowitz 05:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Professor Campbell lacked a photograph.
Perhaps heroes would ask George Bornstein (UM Ann Arbor), Summers & Pebworth (UM Dearborn), the Chair at UM Ann Arbor, and the contact at the Patrides Lecture at York University?
I shall ask the King of Sweden and Paul Newman! :)
Kiefer. Wolfowitz 06:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- "Patrides Lecture Series (1987)
The University of York is establishing a series of distinguished lectures on seventeenth century topics, to run for ten years, in memory of C.A. Patrides, to be called The Patrides Lectures. Any financial support towards this project would be gratefully received. Please write for more information, and/or send a cheque (in sterling or dollars, made out to The University of York) to:
- Hermione Lee
- Department of English
- University of York
- Heslington
- York YO1 5DD"
The Patrides lectures continue still, as noted kindly by Charles Matthews. Kiefer. Wolfowitz 06:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The Patriarch of Jerusalem is not the Pope. Dying of AIDS is not an achievement. -- Kenatipo speak! 14:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The quotations you've put in the headings, however apt, are probably a violation of the MOS. I'm uneasy about making C.A.P. a posthumous poster-child for any cause -- you've told me he was very private about his private life and that his colleagues respected this. We should respect it also. -- Kenatipo speak! 15:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps erase "despite"? just "Being a boy" conveys all the information. Sasha ( talk) 03:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Neat subject. Just some thoughts from looking at it, no need to do anything.
1. Notify (regarding front page appearance) the uni where the man has a named chair and (if you can) his family. People are really touched when we run things on the front page...and this sort of shmoozing makes us more professional and can lead to image donations and the like. Let them know now that it is coming. Then when it goes in queue, let them know the exact time. It is a small gesture, but builds goodwill and bridges to the real world.
2. I think American English makes more sense given the man was born and died here.
3. The memorials read more pleasantly in terms of giving a feel for the man. I had to struggle a little with some of the hard writing here. Consider simplifying the number of literary or the like abstract concepts mentioned within same sentences. Also, simplify the sentence structure grammatically. Really just look at the other online sources and see how they give a better quick feel for the man. Perhaps Wehwalt can advise. He has a very nice touch on bios and on the narrative flow that makes reading his stuff pleasant (lots of learning still..but smooth and fun).
4. An image would really be tits. See if you can get a donation.
5. Perhaps getting any books by him, there is dust jacket bio info (family)? Also, looking at his published papers and Ph.D. thesis might be helpful a Ph.D. is formally published). Both for the content as well as sometimes there are snippets of biography. I know some people put a resume in their thesis for example.
6. Onwards to GA...
TCO ( talk) 14:58, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
(1)"The resistance was led by the Greek Communist Party, which he later regarded as a danger, when he identified himself as a "firm anti-Communist";[3] his anti-Communism was Christian and humanitarian, the same traditions which nourished his criticisms of conformity in Renaissance England or his own time." (That's the one that felt like we had about 6 different abstract concepts running around.)
(2) Yup. Wiki in general overuses semicolons. They have been dying out in prose for about 100 years now. I think Wiki does it to compensate for not being real academic work. This place is the only one were I encounter so many.
Also, look at some of the other sentences that have several clauses or several clauses along with parenthetical commaed phrases. There's a way to do it wrong with being too stachato. But I think you need more stachato. Also consider that if the material is "hard" (e.g. literary schools of thought) then keep the sentences simpler.
But seriously just count words in the sentences of those pieces and compare to sentence length here. It's not awful. But...well...I just enjoyed reading the source docs more and felt more easily drawn in. See what you can do!
(3) Nothing to do with hardness, but one I don't understand: "His knowledge of languages and literatures enabled him to place texts in their historical contexts." What does that mean? That he could read original versions? That he could read other literature of the time? (from the same location?) Read historical primary sources? Maybe the whole thing could be expanded to more of a paragraph with some examples and exposition?
TCO ( talk) 00:27, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
I had seen that passage. It is still kind of vague. Maybe read a few of the essays and see him doing it in action? Someone will accuse you of OR-SYNTH, but try walking as close to that line as you can. You are trying to get us information...not to push some weird theory or the like. Sometimes you can kind of build something by using quotes and it is a bit less of an assertion. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_reptile#Justification]. Here you do have the Fry remark which is a global assertion and then maybe you can bundle an example under (or in a quotebox). TCO ( talk) 01:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Kiefer, when did the English Reformation end? In the Achievements section, we say Milton was a literary leader in the Reformation and the Civil War. The Reformation in England started in 1534 with Henry VIII, but Milton wasn't born until 1608. Do you see what I mean? The wiki article on the English Reformation says it was a series of events in the 16th century.
The second question is an MoS thing. Shouldn't the names of "schools" or "periods" of poetry, for example, be capitalized? To me, there's a big difference between a romantic poet and a Romantic poet. Same with metaphysical and modernist. I'd appreciate your thoughts. -- Kenatipo speak! 00:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)