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Firstly, Byung shin chum is a traditional Korean folk dance that does mimic the handicapped such as gimps, midgets, hunchbacks, and lepers. The name "Byung shin chum" is literally the dance (춤) of the handicapped (병신). This is an important fact about this dance, so please don't delete it.
Secondly, there does exist a controversy over the discriminatory nature of this dance. It doesn't matter whether the version that is being criticized is modern or traditional. It's the same "Byung shin chum."
Thirdly, that the dance was performed to criticize the Korean nobility (Yangban) (by depicting them as the handicapped) is already mentioned in the current version of the article. Read it carefully. -- Saintjust ( talk) 03:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Article edit is totally negative image. omitting major things of this dance. pick a Negative word only. this POV troll intention is "Traditionally, Korea discriminate handicapped person.". Again, This dance intention is not for discriminate handicapped person. It's "a satirical drama ". 774townsclear ( talk) 06:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Don't pick a negative sentence from source. This dance is a satirical drama. also, do not fabricate 3rd souce. According to 3rd souce contents, They are not Traditional Dancer. They do not work for Koean Traditional dance and Byung shin chum. comedy dance in theater. article said "no one blame similar Traditional dance, but Why blame our dance?" (it means No one blame Byung shin chum. our comdey dance is NOT traditional dance, but similar. Why people blame us?) 774townsclear ( talk) 06:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
같이 놀던 사람이건 구경꾼이건 이를 보고 더욱 흥겨움에 젖어든다. 이는 불구자를 단순히 흉내내어 모멸하기 위해서 추는 춤이 결코 아니다. 이는 춤을 출 수 없는 신체적 불구자가 추는 춤이되, 불구에서 정상으로 옮겨 내는 싸움의 춤이다. 그리고 그것은 모두가 사회적으로 병신이라는 것을 깨닫게 하는 춤이며, 불구화된 것을 불구로써 척결하여 인간의 해방을 성취하고자 하는 춤이다. 춤으로써 가장 인간적인 것이 지상에 실현되는, 지상을 미적 유토피아로 뒤바꾸는 춤인 것이다. [1] Chae Hui hwan, Pusan University Professor. source from Academic Journal. 774townsclear ( talk)
The edit at issue: [2].
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Problem #1: User:774townsclear keeps deleting the reference to the dance's mimicking of the handicapped.
Problem #2: User:774townsclear deletes the paragraph on the discrimination allegation of the dance.
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User:774townsclear keeps deleting the reference to the dance's mimicking of the handicapped. User:Saintjust Pick a negative word from chosen source. omitting many. only pick a negative image. and pushing POV troll.
The dance is called "Byung shin chum," which literally means "the dance of the handicapped." It is a Korean folk dance that was performed by the lower class peasants to satirize Korean nobility ( Yangban) by depicting them as the handicapped persons and sick persons such as gimps, midgets, hunchbacks, the deaf, the blind, and lepers, as well as characters from Pansori and other Korean folklore. This is exactly how Encyclopædia Britannica and other notable sources describse the dance.
Mimicking of the handicapped is what makes this dance Byung shin chum. Deleting its reference makes no sense.
User:774townsclear deletes the following paragraph:
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help))This is an important issue reported by the Kukmin Daily and merits reference. It doesn't matter if the critics criticized only a modern version of Byung shin chum performed by the Daehangno-based group while condoning its genuine traditional form. It is the same Byung shin chum, and it should be mentioned in this article. -- Saintjust ( talk) 07:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Until encountering you, Saintjust at the discussion for deletion of cat. Korean fruits, I've tried to not care much about your "special interest" on Korean related articles. As you know well that you're very notorious to Korean editors for your activities. The editors dedicating into Korean dance or performing arts are only a few including myself, Badagnani, Crispypark in the present. I didn't get surprised at you creating this article about one month ago by your obvious intention, because you've always brought up very controversial and even unfamiliar items to Koreans for your sake to wikipedia. I've never heard of this dance in my life until you added it to Korean dance article. In addition, this article provided neither citation nor reference but just had one poorly written sentence. I've waiting for you to improve this article for one month, but you seems to care much about other special interests of Korea. Threfore, I had a conclusion that you abandoned this article and wanted to pass your responsiblity over to others. This dance is in the process of getting an attention to public, so the rank is lower than any other performing art. Moreover you never cared this article until I tagged the speedy deletion to it. After that I was so amazed that you were expanding it a little in hurry to prevent this article to be deleted. After you expanded it with verifiable sources, I have no reason to object to this article's existence. But you distorted some contents which caused some another "interesting" person's attention. I was mainly an editor of commons, so don't know the long history between you and the other. However, you need to stick to the reference. If you don't, you would waste your time dealing with that kind of person.-- Appletrees 20:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
The earlier translation of this read that the dance "enlightens the viewers that everybody is socially handicapped (byung shin)." This makes utter nonsense of the Korean word byung shin which means "bodily disabled". You can't be socially physically handicapped. I think my translation is more correct. Please do a word-by-word breakdown for me if I am wrong. Shii (tock) 14:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:NC-KO: "if there is no established English spelling, then Revised Romanization should be used for South Korean and pre-1945 Korean names". Among books, academic papers, and newspaper articles:
Basically, there is either no established English spelling, or the RR spelling is the established English spelling; in either case, that means the article should use RR.
Regarding the spacing: 병신 is definitely one word not two words, so it should be written without a space in English. However, there's disagreement among reliable sources whether to put a space before "chum" or not. For the moment I'll leave the space before "chum"; if someone else thinks it's a good idea to eliminate the space, the article could be moved again. 61.10.165.33 ( talk) 04:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:09, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Byung shin chum → Byeongsin chum – WP:NC-KO: "if there is no established English spelling, then Revised Romanization should be used for South Korean and pre-1945 Korean names" --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 03:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC) – 61.10.165.33 ( talk) 04:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
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Firstly, Byung shin chum is a traditional Korean folk dance that does mimic the handicapped such as gimps, midgets, hunchbacks, and lepers. The name "Byung shin chum" is literally the dance (춤) of the handicapped (병신). This is an important fact about this dance, so please don't delete it.
Secondly, there does exist a controversy over the discriminatory nature of this dance. It doesn't matter whether the version that is being criticized is modern or traditional. It's the same "Byung shin chum."
Thirdly, that the dance was performed to criticize the Korean nobility (Yangban) (by depicting them as the handicapped) is already mentioned in the current version of the article. Read it carefully. -- Saintjust ( talk) 03:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Article edit is totally negative image. omitting major things of this dance. pick a Negative word only. this POV troll intention is "Traditionally, Korea discriminate handicapped person.". Again, This dance intention is not for discriminate handicapped person. It's "a satirical drama ". 774townsclear ( talk) 06:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Don't pick a negative sentence from source. This dance is a satirical drama. also, do not fabricate 3rd souce. According to 3rd souce contents, They are not Traditional Dancer. They do not work for Koean Traditional dance and Byung shin chum. comedy dance in theater. article said "no one blame similar Traditional dance, but Why blame our dance?" (it means No one blame Byung shin chum. our comdey dance is NOT traditional dance, but similar. Why people blame us?) 774townsclear ( talk) 06:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
같이 놀던 사람이건 구경꾼이건 이를 보고 더욱 흥겨움에 젖어든다. 이는 불구자를 단순히 흉내내어 모멸하기 위해서 추는 춤이 결코 아니다. 이는 춤을 출 수 없는 신체적 불구자가 추는 춤이되, 불구에서 정상으로 옮겨 내는 싸움의 춤이다. 그리고 그것은 모두가 사회적으로 병신이라는 것을 깨닫게 하는 춤이며, 불구화된 것을 불구로써 척결하여 인간의 해방을 성취하고자 하는 춤이다. 춤으로써 가장 인간적인 것이 지상에 실현되는, 지상을 미적 유토피아로 뒤바꾸는 춤인 것이다. [1] Chae Hui hwan, Pusan University Professor. source from Academic Journal. 774townsclear ( talk)
The edit at issue: [2].
This RfC has been closed because User:774townsclear with whom the filer ( User:Saintjust) was arguing was indef. blocked from editing Wikipedia on December 1, 2007. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Bason0.
Note: Please leave your comments in the comment section below, not in this opening statement section.
Problem #1: User:774townsclear keeps deleting the reference to the dance's mimicking of the handicapped.
Problem #2: User:774townsclear deletes the paragraph on the discrimination allegation of the dance.
{{
cite news}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help))Problem #3: User:774townsclear keeps name-calling "Push POV troll," etc.
User:774townsclear keeps deleting the reference to the dance's mimicking of the handicapped. User:Saintjust Pick a negative word from chosen source. omitting many. only pick a negative image. and pushing POV troll.
The dance is called "Byung shin chum," which literally means "the dance of the handicapped." It is a Korean folk dance that was performed by the lower class peasants to satirize Korean nobility ( Yangban) by depicting them as the handicapped persons and sick persons such as gimps, midgets, hunchbacks, the deaf, the blind, and lepers, as well as characters from Pansori and other Korean folklore. This is exactly how Encyclopædia Britannica and other notable sources describse the dance.
Mimicking of the handicapped is what makes this dance Byung shin chum. Deleting its reference makes no sense.
User:774townsclear deletes the following paragraph:
{{
cite news}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help))This is an important issue reported by the Kukmin Daily and merits reference. It doesn't matter if the critics criticized only a modern version of Byung shin chum performed by the Daehangno-based group while condoning its genuine traditional form. It is the same Byung shin chum, and it should be mentioned in this article. -- Saintjust ( talk) 07:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Until encountering you, Saintjust at the discussion for deletion of cat. Korean fruits, I've tried to not care much about your "special interest" on Korean related articles. As you know well that you're very notorious to Korean editors for your activities. The editors dedicating into Korean dance or performing arts are only a few including myself, Badagnani, Crispypark in the present. I didn't get surprised at you creating this article about one month ago by your obvious intention, because you've always brought up very controversial and even unfamiliar items to Koreans for your sake to wikipedia. I've never heard of this dance in my life until you added it to Korean dance article. In addition, this article provided neither citation nor reference but just had one poorly written sentence. I've waiting for you to improve this article for one month, but you seems to care much about other special interests of Korea. Threfore, I had a conclusion that you abandoned this article and wanted to pass your responsiblity over to others. This dance is in the process of getting an attention to public, so the rank is lower than any other performing art. Moreover you never cared this article until I tagged the speedy deletion to it. After that I was so amazed that you were expanding it a little in hurry to prevent this article to be deleted. After you expanded it with verifiable sources, I have no reason to object to this article's existence. But you distorted some contents which caused some another "interesting" person's attention. I was mainly an editor of commons, so don't know the long history between you and the other. However, you need to stick to the reference. If you don't, you would waste your time dealing with that kind of person.-- Appletrees 20:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
The earlier translation of this read that the dance "enlightens the viewers that everybody is socially handicapped (byung shin)." This makes utter nonsense of the Korean word byung shin which means "bodily disabled". You can't be socially physically handicapped. I think my translation is more correct. Please do a word-by-word breakdown for me if I am wrong. Shii (tock) 14:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:NC-KO: "if there is no established English spelling, then Revised Romanization should be used for South Korean and pre-1945 Korean names". Among books, academic papers, and newspaper articles:
Basically, there is either no established English spelling, or the RR spelling is the established English spelling; in either case, that means the article should use RR.
Regarding the spacing: 병신 is definitely one word not two words, so it should be written without a space in English. However, there's disagreement among reliable sources whether to put a space before "chum" or not. For the moment I'll leave the space before "chum"; if someone else thinks it's a good idea to eliminate the space, the article could be moved again. 61.10.165.33 ( talk) 04:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:09, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Byung shin chum → Byeongsin chum – WP:NC-KO: "if there is no established English spelling, then Revised Romanization should be used for South Korean and pre-1945 Korean names" --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 03:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC) – 61.10.165.33 ( talk) 04:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
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