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I am some doubt about "Nowadays Burgher people predominantly speak Sinhala". The census cited shows a higher proportion of Burghers speaking Sinhala than English (88% vs 73%), but 97% literate in English. That is badly inconsistent.
The whole paragraph goes far beyond what can be deduced from the one cited source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serendipitous1 ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
I deleted this sentence from the History section:
Their mestiço children were often called 'micos' (a corruption from the Portuguese word for 'mechanic').
This sounds strange, can anyone confirm it? My dictionary (Aurélio) has only one entry for mico, namely "monkey" (from
Carib miko). This is probably an old (16th century) loan. So perhaps that was just an
ethnic slur? (And perhaps someone got the wrong idea from "
monkey wrench"?)
Jorge Stolfi
19:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia itself defines mestiço as derived from Latin and meaning mixed. The Portugese word for 'mechanic'is - as could be expected- 'mecânico', not 'mico'.
'Momkey wrench has nothing to do with Monkeys but comes from "Moncky": Charles Moncky, is the inventor of the Moncky wrench, that became the Monkey wrench. Just like the 'black box' is not black but was invented by someone called 'Black' User:Ed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.132.62 ( talk) 05:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I have heard the word "mecho" to describe Portugues Burghers ( which is more consistent with the mechanic derivation. Its going to be difficult to find a citation for that. User:Serendipitous1 —Preceding undated comment added 16:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Was Keith Potger from the Australian musical group, The Seekers a burgher? He was listed as a Sri Lankan Australian, surley they wouldn't have pit him in that catergory if he was simply a European who was born in Ski Lanka (e.g. Vivian Leigh)
The word 'Burgher' does not come from 'Vrij Burgher'. It simply comes from 'Burgher' that is a dutch word for a citizen and as such had certain rights. Yes they where 'free'(Vrij), but the word Burgher itself has no linkage with the word 'vrij'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.132.62 ( talk) 05:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I'd like some pictures of Burghers, preferably with different degrees of whiteness/Sinhalaness. -- 84.20.17.84 14:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Since when was Nigel Barker a Burgher person? Burghers are a community of people from Sri Lanka who have resulted from colonists and locals mixing. Nigel's mom was a Sri Lankan model who moved to the UK and married an English man. AyanP ( talk) 20:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)Ayan
I have a question. When a foreigner has a child with a Sri Lankan, is this child automatically considered a Burgher? Or is a Burgher only somebody who has ancestors from colonial times? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.27.171.130 ( talk) 01:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I am a Sri Lankan and I have worked in 2001 census. People of Sri Lanka (Sri Lankan or foreigners with Sri Lankan origin) with ancestry to European colonists are considered Burgher. This term is not associated to child of any foreigner marrying in Sri Lanka, even he/she comes from any former colonial powers. Malayan people of Sri Lanka who arrived in the country during the Dutch period or Tamil people who arrived during the British period are never considered Burgher.-- Fahim ( talk) 13:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Where is the evidence to support the theory that Guy Sebastian is descendant from the Burgher people???
Minimal details are available that his father Ivan is of Sri Lankan descent, while his mother Nellie has an English and Portuguese background and was raised in India. Guy Sebastian was born in Malaysia and the family moved to Australia in 1988 when he was 6 years old. Sebastian is an Australian citizen and is married to an Australian woman whose parents are of Irish heritage.
I do think having Sebastian's image here as a notable Burgher particularly as there is no mention whatsoever in the main article to support that - is a big stretch and I would like to remove the image if there is no available data to support it being here on this article.
Dee 114.78.31.119 ( talk) 23:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
The body of the article indicates that there is as an amalgam of Portuguese, Tamil, and Sinhalese. Presumed misrepresentation of a more nuanced thing. 72.228.190.243 ( talk) 22:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm not really sure what the issue is with constantly including "British and other European" in the lead. All of the sources previously cited note that the term "Burgher" was coined to denote the existing Eurasian group on Sri Lanka when the British arrived. While occasionally the term has been used - albeit incorrectly - as a blanket application for all Sri Lankans of mixed Asian and European ancestry, the second source in particular mentions that the Eurasian community of British descent never identified as "Burghers" during colonial rule. Hence erroneously describing them as such would violate Wikipedia's policy on conferring group titles based on self-identification.
The only British progenitors present in the ethnic group were the few who intermarried with the existing Burgher population and became assimilated to that group - which was nevertheless considered a social stigma and, as related in the book Lost White Tribes by Riccardo Orizio, rarely occurred.
The adoption of the English language appears to have been in reaction to the changing political and social environment on then-British Ceylon, as opposed to a significant degree of intermarriage. However, the lead has provided for that by noting the few intermarriages that occurred in the third paragraph. When opening the article in question it conveys the wrong impression to the reader to suggest that the ethnic group in any significant way represents a British or other European diaspora besides Dutch and Portuguese. -- Katangais ( talk) 18:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Please see the current RfC regarding the use of 'notable' members of any given ethnic group in the 'ethnic group' infobox. Firstly, per WP:TITLE, this article is not entitled "List of notable Burgher people". Secondly, having checked through the history of this article, there has never been any discussion as to who should be depicted, or why they somehow are representative of an entire ethnic group. All I've established is that a gallery was added to the infobox in January 2010 as a unilateral decision. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 21:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
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I am some doubt about "Nowadays Burgher people predominantly speak Sinhala". The census cited shows a higher proportion of Burghers speaking Sinhala than English (88% vs 73%), but 97% literate in English. That is badly inconsistent.
The whole paragraph goes far beyond what can be deduced from the one cited source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serendipitous1 ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
I deleted this sentence from the History section:
Their mestiço children were often called 'micos' (a corruption from the Portuguese word for 'mechanic').
This sounds strange, can anyone confirm it? My dictionary (Aurélio) has only one entry for mico, namely "monkey" (from
Carib miko). This is probably an old (16th century) loan. So perhaps that was just an
ethnic slur? (And perhaps someone got the wrong idea from "
monkey wrench"?)
Jorge Stolfi
19:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia itself defines mestiço as derived from Latin and meaning mixed. The Portugese word for 'mechanic'is - as could be expected- 'mecânico', not 'mico'.
'Momkey wrench has nothing to do with Monkeys but comes from "Moncky": Charles Moncky, is the inventor of the Moncky wrench, that became the Monkey wrench. Just like the 'black box' is not black but was invented by someone called 'Black' User:Ed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.132.62 ( talk) 05:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I have heard the word "mecho" to describe Portugues Burghers ( which is more consistent with the mechanic derivation. Its going to be difficult to find a citation for that. User:Serendipitous1 —Preceding undated comment added 16:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Was Keith Potger from the Australian musical group, The Seekers a burgher? He was listed as a Sri Lankan Australian, surley they wouldn't have pit him in that catergory if he was simply a European who was born in Ski Lanka (e.g. Vivian Leigh)
The word 'Burgher' does not come from 'Vrij Burgher'. It simply comes from 'Burgher' that is a dutch word for a citizen and as such had certain rights. Yes they where 'free'(Vrij), but the word Burgher itself has no linkage with the word 'vrij'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.132.62 ( talk) 05:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I'd like some pictures of Burghers, preferably with different degrees of whiteness/Sinhalaness. -- 84.20.17.84 14:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Since when was Nigel Barker a Burgher person? Burghers are a community of people from Sri Lanka who have resulted from colonists and locals mixing. Nigel's mom was a Sri Lankan model who moved to the UK and married an English man. AyanP ( talk) 20:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)Ayan
I have a question. When a foreigner has a child with a Sri Lankan, is this child automatically considered a Burgher? Or is a Burgher only somebody who has ancestors from colonial times? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.27.171.130 ( talk) 01:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I am a Sri Lankan and I have worked in 2001 census. People of Sri Lanka (Sri Lankan or foreigners with Sri Lankan origin) with ancestry to European colonists are considered Burgher. This term is not associated to child of any foreigner marrying in Sri Lanka, even he/she comes from any former colonial powers. Malayan people of Sri Lanka who arrived in the country during the Dutch period or Tamil people who arrived during the British period are never considered Burgher.-- Fahim ( talk) 13:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Where is the evidence to support the theory that Guy Sebastian is descendant from the Burgher people???
Minimal details are available that his father Ivan is of Sri Lankan descent, while his mother Nellie has an English and Portuguese background and was raised in India. Guy Sebastian was born in Malaysia and the family moved to Australia in 1988 when he was 6 years old. Sebastian is an Australian citizen and is married to an Australian woman whose parents are of Irish heritage.
I do think having Sebastian's image here as a notable Burgher particularly as there is no mention whatsoever in the main article to support that - is a big stretch and I would like to remove the image if there is no available data to support it being here on this article.
Dee 114.78.31.119 ( talk) 23:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
The body of the article indicates that there is as an amalgam of Portuguese, Tamil, and Sinhalese. Presumed misrepresentation of a more nuanced thing. 72.228.190.243 ( talk) 22:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm not really sure what the issue is with constantly including "British and other European" in the lead. All of the sources previously cited note that the term "Burgher" was coined to denote the existing Eurasian group on Sri Lanka when the British arrived. While occasionally the term has been used - albeit incorrectly - as a blanket application for all Sri Lankans of mixed Asian and European ancestry, the second source in particular mentions that the Eurasian community of British descent never identified as "Burghers" during colonial rule. Hence erroneously describing them as such would violate Wikipedia's policy on conferring group titles based on self-identification.
The only British progenitors present in the ethnic group were the few who intermarried with the existing Burgher population and became assimilated to that group - which was nevertheless considered a social stigma and, as related in the book Lost White Tribes by Riccardo Orizio, rarely occurred.
The adoption of the English language appears to have been in reaction to the changing political and social environment on then-British Ceylon, as opposed to a significant degree of intermarriage. However, the lead has provided for that by noting the few intermarriages that occurred in the third paragraph. When opening the article in question it conveys the wrong impression to the reader to suggest that the ethnic group in any significant way represents a British or other European diaspora besides Dutch and Portuguese. -- Katangais ( talk) 18:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Please see the current RfC regarding the use of 'notable' members of any given ethnic group in the 'ethnic group' infobox. Firstly, per WP:TITLE, this article is not entitled "List of notable Burgher people". Secondly, having checked through the history of this article, there has never been any discussion as to who should be depicted, or why they somehow are representative of an entire ethnic group. All I've established is that a gallery was added to the infobox in January 2010 as a unilateral decision. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 21:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)