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I have no idea how in the world has this discussion gone to a debate about the assimilation of the Bunjevci people, either to the Croatian or Serbian side. This disgusting spillage of local dirty politics has really no place on Wikipedia. Why on earth is this article a part of "a series of articles on Croats"? Vlahs, for example, are present both in Serbia, Romania and in a few other countries, and they're are most certainly not classified as Romanians. This too goes for Roma, Bosniaks, etc. The Bunjevci are an ethnic group, with their own dialect, their own cuisine and their own unique history. If, due to major year-long pressures from both Serbian and Croatian sides, should some of them choose to switch over to another ethnicity, that's their choice.
BureX ( talk) 00:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
They are a separate ethnic group which lives mainly in Serbia,where they are recognized as such.They are not Croats.The fact is nearly 17 000 people declared themselves as Bunjevci as a separate ethnic group,and that has to be respected.
94.189.197.200 (
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All Montenegrins declared themseleves as Serbs before WW2,and even now 1/3 of them consider them Serbs,but now they are seen as a separate ethnic group,and nobody says they are a subgroup of Serbs.
24.135.66.10 (
talk) 07:54, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Poređenje je sasvim na mestu,više puta sam pisao o tome,samo kreten ne bi shvatio,pretnje blokiranjem su ti vrlo jadne, prvo ti se ne pitaš za to, drugo adrese za menjaju svakih par dana tako ne bi imalo efekta.The comparison is perfect some Montenegrins consider themselves Serbs,some consider themselves as Montenegrins and some consider themselves as Montenegrins as a subgroup of Serb people.How come you don't understand?Also very rude to threaten someone with blocking,it won't work.
24.135.66.10 (
talk) 14:25, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
This article is obviosly with strong Croatian Nationalism influence, which denies existing of Bunjevci identity, so I added the fact that only some of them declare themselves like croats, not everyone like Croatian Ultra-Nationalist writes.
The thing about Bunjevci is they weren't people of another ethnicity. They were named Bunjevci by Serbians from Vojvodina, just like Croatians and Bosnians called orthodox people Vlachs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.180.106.198 ( talk) 16:50, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Bunjevci are Croats. Vlachs are Vlachs. They were brainwashed by Serbian ortodox church — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.252.241.58 ( talk) 15:49, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Please take a look at Austro-HUngarian census and map made in 1910. by Count Teleki https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Ethnographic_map_of_hungary_1910_by_teleki_carte_rouge.jpg They are strictly identified as Serb Catholics
Pixius ( talk) 22:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
A lot of claims made on this page with no sources. Truthdelivery ( talk) 21:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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Bunjevci are ethnic Croats that fled from Herzegovina. As such their native language is Croatian. Living in another country or switching nationality due to political reasons doesn't affect native language as a whole. (It does only on personal level and doesn't reflect on the whole group.) SerVasi ( talk) 20:03, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: Its not even remotely questionable.Its a fact accepted by the whole world.(except 1 country) SerVasi ( talk) 15:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
The 1991 census and its predecessor contained three categories of Roman Catholic, Serbo-Croatian speaking Slavs: Croats, Bunjevci and Šokci. The differences between them were difficult to understand, because besides the identity of their religion, their Serbo-Croatian also showed characteristics of the Croatian variant. Croats, therefore, claimed "Croatian-ness" (Hrvatstvo) of the Bunjevci and Šokci, whereas Serbs, but also some Bunjevci, pretended that they were from old Balkan stock[...] The problem was not theoretical but political, because the split lowered the percentage of the Vojvodina Croats, who accused Belgrade of a divide et impera policy
You cant say dont try to spin this and do the same. Almost all of bunjevic live in serbia because in other countries like romania,hungary,switzerland etc. They are reffered to as croats. Again this is not the case only in *one* country. SerVasi ( talk) 18:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I will assume that was a joke sadko. Anyways, @ No such user: why arent you keeping the same energy on these articles then: Bosniaks, Croats, Serbs, Montenegrins.I dont see serbo-croatian listed there SerVasi ( talk) 18:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: SerVasi ( talk) 22:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: ye folding your argument or? SerVasi ( talk) 02:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user:An overwhelming majority of bunjevci identify as croats yet they dont consider their language croatian. Thats certaintly an interesting take on the situation. SerVasi ( talk) 20:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: SerVasi ( talk) 02:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: Yes, overwhelming. For some reason you are operating on a false pretense that bunjevci only live in vojvodina. They are present in croatia,hungary,romania,bosnia and even a decent number in switzerland. In all of those countries they almost exclusively identify as croats. This is not the case only in serbia because of political reasons. SerVasi ( talk) 19:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: The title is only bunjevci and thats what the artice should be about. If you find it necessary feel free to make a seperate article called bunjevci in backa. Saying they speak a dialect of croatian isnt wrong either and its not as vague as saying serbo-croatian. Its more concise and informative. Thats what wikipedia is all about. Cheers. SerVasi ( talk) 02:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Soundwaweserb: @ Ничим неизазван: @ SerVasi: I suggest you all use the talk page instead of edit warring, please. If anyone can explain how describing the Bunjevci as Croats and adding the flag of the Croatian National Council isn't WP:UNDUE and WP:POV, I suggest they do it here. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 15:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
@ SerVasi: Further changes to the article should be discussed here first according to WP:BRD. Your edits have been reverted multiple times, and you haven't yet discussed the edits on the talk pages. -- Vacant0 ( talk) 12:02, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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I have no idea how in the world has this discussion gone to a debate about the assimilation of the Bunjevci people, either to the Croatian or Serbian side. This disgusting spillage of local dirty politics has really no place on Wikipedia. Why on earth is this article a part of "a series of articles on Croats"? Vlahs, for example, are present both in Serbia, Romania and in a few other countries, and they're are most certainly not classified as Romanians. This too goes for Roma, Bosniaks, etc. The Bunjevci are an ethnic group, with their own dialect, their own cuisine and their own unique history. If, due to major year-long pressures from both Serbian and Croatian sides, should some of them choose to switch over to another ethnicity, that's their choice.
BureX ( talk) 00:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
They are a separate ethnic group which lives mainly in Serbia,where they are recognized as such.They are not Croats.The fact is nearly 17 000 people declared themselves as Bunjevci as a separate ethnic group,and that has to be respected.
94.189.197.200 (
talk) 07:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
All Montenegrins declared themseleves as Serbs before WW2,and even now 1/3 of them consider them Serbs,but now they are seen as a separate ethnic group,and nobody says they are a subgroup of Serbs.
24.135.66.10 (
talk) 07:54, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Poređenje je sasvim na mestu,više puta sam pisao o tome,samo kreten ne bi shvatio,pretnje blokiranjem su ti vrlo jadne, prvo ti se ne pitaš za to, drugo adrese za menjaju svakih par dana tako ne bi imalo efekta.The comparison is perfect some Montenegrins consider themselves Serbs,some consider themselves as Montenegrins and some consider themselves as Montenegrins as a subgroup of Serb people.How come you don't understand?Also very rude to threaten someone with blocking,it won't work.
24.135.66.10 (
talk) 14:25, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
This article is obviosly with strong Croatian Nationalism influence, which denies existing of Bunjevci identity, so I added the fact that only some of them declare themselves like croats, not everyone like Croatian Ultra-Nationalist writes.
The thing about Bunjevci is they weren't people of another ethnicity. They were named Bunjevci by Serbians from Vojvodina, just like Croatians and Bosnians called orthodox people Vlachs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.180.106.198 ( talk) 16:50, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Bunjevci are Croats. Vlachs are Vlachs. They were brainwashed by Serbian ortodox church — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.252.241.58 ( talk) 15:49, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Please take a look at Austro-HUngarian census and map made in 1910. by Count Teleki https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Ethnographic_map_of_hungary_1910_by_teleki_carte_rouge.jpg They are strictly identified as Serb Catholics
Pixius ( talk) 22:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
A lot of claims made on this page with no sources. Truthdelivery ( talk) 21:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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Bunjevci are ethnic Croats that fled from Herzegovina. As such their native language is Croatian. Living in another country or switching nationality due to political reasons doesn't affect native language as a whole. (It does only on personal level and doesn't reflect on the whole group.) SerVasi ( talk) 20:03, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: Its not even remotely questionable.Its a fact accepted by the whole world.(except 1 country) SerVasi ( talk) 15:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
The 1991 census and its predecessor contained three categories of Roman Catholic, Serbo-Croatian speaking Slavs: Croats, Bunjevci and Šokci. The differences between them were difficult to understand, because besides the identity of their religion, their Serbo-Croatian also showed characteristics of the Croatian variant. Croats, therefore, claimed "Croatian-ness" (Hrvatstvo) of the Bunjevci and Šokci, whereas Serbs, but also some Bunjevci, pretended that they were from old Balkan stock[...] The problem was not theoretical but political, because the split lowered the percentage of the Vojvodina Croats, who accused Belgrade of a divide et impera policy
You cant say dont try to spin this and do the same. Almost all of bunjevic live in serbia because in other countries like romania,hungary,switzerland etc. They are reffered to as croats. Again this is not the case only in *one* country. SerVasi ( talk) 18:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I will assume that was a joke sadko. Anyways, @ No such user: why arent you keeping the same energy on these articles then: Bosniaks, Croats, Serbs, Montenegrins.I dont see serbo-croatian listed there SerVasi ( talk) 18:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: SerVasi ( talk) 22:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: ye folding your argument or? SerVasi ( talk) 02:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user:An overwhelming majority of bunjevci identify as croats yet they dont consider their language croatian. Thats certaintly an interesting take on the situation. SerVasi ( talk) 20:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: SerVasi ( talk) 02:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: Yes, overwhelming. For some reason you are operating on a false pretense that bunjevci only live in vojvodina. They are present in croatia,hungary,romania,bosnia and even a decent number in switzerland. In all of those countries they almost exclusively identify as croats. This is not the case only in serbia because of political reasons. SerVasi ( talk) 19:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
@ No such user: The title is only bunjevci and thats what the artice should be about. If you find it necessary feel free to make a seperate article called bunjevci in backa. Saying they speak a dialect of croatian isnt wrong either and its not as vague as saying serbo-croatian. Its more concise and informative. Thats what wikipedia is all about. Cheers. SerVasi ( talk) 02:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Soundwaweserb: @ Ничим неизазван: @ SerVasi: I suggest you all use the talk page instead of edit warring, please. If anyone can explain how describing the Bunjevci as Croats and adding the flag of the Croatian National Council isn't WP:UNDUE and WP:POV, I suggest they do it here. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 15:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
@ SerVasi: Further changes to the article should be discussed here first according to WP:BRD. Your edits have been reverted multiple times, and you haven't yet discussed the edits on the talk pages. -- Vacant0 ( talk) 12:02, 26 December 2021 (UTC)