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This is also an important part of Australian history and needs to be ocky-fied. They are still used in forestry in old-growth areas of Tasmania (I just need a source!) -- Ga rr ie 03:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
We seem to have several related articles with considerable overlap. It seems to me that we need to clarify the distinctions between the articles, or perhaps even merge them. For clarity in this discussion: a wagon has four wheels, a cart has two wheels, oxen are draught cattle, usually adult castrated males, which are known as bullocks in Australia and New Zealand ("bullock" often has a different meaning elsewhere – in Britain it usually means a young castrated male reared for beef, in America it means a young uncastrated bull).
At the moment we have:
Are these articles divided in the best way? The ox-wagon article concentrates on the pioneering aspects of the use (and overlaps heavily with the covered wagon one). Were (and are) ox-wagons not used elsewhere, for other purposes? I know that wagons were used with horses in western Europe, and oxen were used there for ploughing and logging, but I don't know about ox-wagons as such – perhaps for some reason they were only invented for pioneering? The bullock cart article really only covers Asian use – is that the only place where oxen are used in carts?
Do the ox cart and ox wagon articles really deserve to be separated from the cart and wagon articles? Do they indeed need to be separated from each other? What justification is there for separating American pioneering use of wagons from that of other areas? We could perhaps for example have the following arrangement instead:
Would all the material go more logically in these? Or are we happy with the current arrangement? At the very least the articles themselves should be clearer on the distinctions, and the cross-reference should be much better. Thoughts please. Richard New Forest ( talk) 10:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) Probably your "pioneer wagon" could be simply the good all-purpose farm wagon LOL! CG makes a good point that many working animals can pull similar conveyances. I DO like the idea of grouping vehicles that are essentially the same mode of transportation and possibly then just explaining all the different animals that could pull them (for an example, skijoring and why ISN'T it an Olympic sport??) And, yeah, I remember the discussion that one could interpret Ox to mean a barren cow or something that got put to work instead of made into burger, but out here, the castrated boy youngsters are still called Steers, not bullocks (grin)! Out here, the only Bullocks are politicians! Though, I guess you Have a few of that kind over there too!
Growing up in America, the generic word is ox cart, especially for two-wheeled but sometimes for four-wheeled carts, although ox wagon is understandable if one specifically means four-wheeled carts. 74.96.60.245 ( talk) 03:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
IMHO, it seems more practical to have one article covering all types and sizes of ox carts, and subsections breaking out the specialized sub-types which have been used in different areas, and another subsection discussing oxen as draft animals [e.g. how far they can go in one day]. 74.96.60.245 ( talk) 03:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
cart or wagon. Bullock cart#Australia mentions "four wheeled". Should that not be called an ox-wagon? Peter Horn User talk 06:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
No 202.88.248.132 ( talk) 14:26, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
അറിയില്ല. അറിയില്ല. അറിയില്ല 202.88.248.132 ( talk) 14:30, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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This is also an important part of Australian history and needs to be ocky-fied. They are still used in forestry in old-growth areas of Tasmania (I just need a source!) -- Ga rr ie 03:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
We seem to have several related articles with considerable overlap. It seems to me that we need to clarify the distinctions between the articles, or perhaps even merge them. For clarity in this discussion: a wagon has four wheels, a cart has two wheels, oxen are draught cattle, usually adult castrated males, which are known as bullocks in Australia and New Zealand ("bullock" often has a different meaning elsewhere – in Britain it usually means a young castrated male reared for beef, in America it means a young uncastrated bull).
At the moment we have:
Are these articles divided in the best way? The ox-wagon article concentrates on the pioneering aspects of the use (and overlaps heavily with the covered wagon one). Were (and are) ox-wagons not used elsewhere, for other purposes? I know that wagons were used with horses in western Europe, and oxen were used there for ploughing and logging, but I don't know about ox-wagons as such – perhaps for some reason they were only invented for pioneering? The bullock cart article really only covers Asian use – is that the only place where oxen are used in carts?
Do the ox cart and ox wagon articles really deserve to be separated from the cart and wagon articles? Do they indeed need to be separated from each other? What justification is there for separating American pioneering use of wagons from that of other areas? We could perhaps for example have the following arrangement instead:
Would all the material go more logically in these? Or are we happy with the current arrangement? At the very least the articles themselves should be clearer on the distinctions, and the cross-reference should be much better. Thoughts please. Richard New Forest ( talk) 10:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) Probably your "pioneer wagon" could be simply the good all-purpose farm wagon LOL! CG makes a good point that many working animals can pull similar conveyances. I DO like the idea of grouping vehicles that are essentially the same mode of transportation and possibly then just explaining all the different animals that could pull them (for an example, skijoring and why ISN'T it an Olympic sport??) And, yeah, I remember the discussion that one could interpret Ox to mean a barren cow or something that got put to work instead of made into burger, but out here, the castrated boy youngsters are still called Steers, not bullocks (grin)! Out here, the only Bullocks are politicians! Though, I guess you Have a few of that kind over there too!
Growing up in America, the generic word is ox cart, especially for two-wheeled but sometimes for four-wheeled carts, although ox wagon is understandable if one specifically means four-wheeled carts. 74.96.60.245 ( talk) 03:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
IMHO, it seems more practical to have one article covering all types and sizes of ox carts, and subsections breaking out the specialized sub-types which have been used in different areas, and another subsection discussing oxen as draft animals [e.g. how far they can go in one day]. 74.96.60.245 ( talk) 03:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
cart or wagon. Bullock cart#Australia mentions "four wheeled". Should that not be called an ox-wagon? Peter Horn User talk 06:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
No 202.88.248.132 ( talk) 14:26, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
അറിയില്ല. അറിയില്ല. അറിയില്ല 202.88.248.132 ( talk) 14:30, 19 April 2023 (UTC)