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Not sure that it matters, but a reference that seems as least as worthy as those mentioned regarding the Simpsons, was in George Lucas' "American Graffiti" when the character John Milner states after turning off the car radio which was playing the Beach Boys:
"I don't like that surfin' s--t. Rock 'n' Roll's been goin' downhill ever since Buddy Holly died." http://www.filmsite.org/amerg.html - Pcorkett ( talk) 08:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I propose the inclusion of The Weezer song "Buddy Holly" - Mullhawk ( talk) 23:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
What about Frankie Muniz playing him in The Dewey Cox story?Sorry,Ive never seen the movie,but it showed it on Frankies page,so I figured it should be on here.-- D3t3ctiv3 ( talk) 08:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the policy is about wiki-linking songs etc. that do not yet have an article behind them. I notice that sometimes (as in the most recent edit of this article) people remove red links, but I thought the idea was to leave a place holder for an anticipated future article. Can someone point to the place where this is discussed, or where a consensus has been reached? Jgm 17:11, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Morwen's edit is correct -- "the plane was named 'American Pie' or 'Miss American Pie'" is an urban legend. see http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/amerpie.htm for details. Jgm 15:58, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I'm feel like I should ask others for opinions, so I think it might be more appropriate to have Buddy Holly and the Crickets redirect to The Crickets rather than to Buddy Holly. I know that Buddy Holly is the main reason for the band, but The Crickets' page only has a link for him anyways. However, The Crickets did continue without him, and there might be some confusion. -- Ricky81682 05:34, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
Any comment on adding to the wreck? I've read (in Flying, I think) the wreck may have been due to smoke in the cockpit, from a heater in the tail that caught fire. (The same cause has been blamed for the crash that killed Rick Nelson.) I've also seen pilot inexperience (lack of instrument time for the conditions) blamed. --fourthina3, 16/11/05
Also, the CAB was NOT a predecessor of the FAA. They were coterminous and had different missions regulating the airline industry. The CAB was eliminated in the Carter Administration, and the FAA existed long before Carter.
- wosuna 2/2/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wosuna ( talk • contribs) 23:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
"...they opened for Bill Haley...". It is unclear if 'they' refers to Buddy and Bob or Buddy and Elvis.
Also, I changed Holley to Holly, so it wasn't half one way and half the other. Clarityfiend 02:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there any good reason why there's no picture of a living and performing Buddy Holly on this page? Are there no public domain images available? Wouldn't it count as fair use if there are only copyrighted ones available?... ENpeeOHvee 04:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE - I did a quick search and was able to find some album covers, so I uploaded them, since I know they can be included under fair use. But more images should still be added. ENpeeOHvee 05:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Could a Holly expert please add to the songlist at Felice and Boudleaux Bryant? -- Design 09:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
At least some of the peak chart positions listed are wrong. Where did they come from? According to Billboard, Buddy Holly landed three Top Ten singles: That'll Be The Day at #1, Peggy Sue at #3 and Oh, Boy! at #10. That's it. I used the chart positions listed on this page in an argument online about Little Richard vs. Buddy Holly. I got burned. Thanks a lot. Clashwho 22:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I thought the assistant was the son of the vet. But I do know that the son was playing a song on his guitar about a pig named Sue and therefor singing Piggy Sue. Then the main character from Quantum Leap proposed to call the song Peggy Sue cause (being from the future) he was sure that would make a better title for a song
The young Buddy was an assistant to Dr. Beckett's character. (this is evidenced by the fact that he would generally ask if he could go home after finishing up with the animals.) He had the tune for peggy sue throughout the episode but kept putting different lyrics with it. At the very end after Dr. Beckett had accomplished what he believed to be his mission and realized he was still there, he started looking for the piglet saying "Piggy, Souee." this caused the boy who was playing his guitar to start singing with the words Piggy Souee in place of Peggy Sue. Al and Sam exchange looks and Al tells him to try it. Sam looks at the boy and for the first time addresses him by a name other than a nickname, saying "Buddy, (to which the boy looks up) why don't you try Peggy Sue. It might sound better." Buddy goes along with it and launches into the song we know today as Peggy Sue.
Brad Zeak 06:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC) Brad Zeak
I moved the discography in this article to its own, Buddy Holly discography. The trend for larger articles on bands/musicians seems to be to separate the discography if it is a lengthy one. -- cholmes75 ( chit chat) 02:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Most images and references seem to show or mention his Fender Stratocaster, but the museum in Lubbock reportedly has his Gibson Les Paul [1]. Does it seem like that might be worth mentioning as well? (References to songs he used it on or shows where he used it would be particularly helpful.) Also, I found a report that Gary Busey had bought one of Holly's guitars, but haven't found any details about which one or what kind. If someone wanted an interesting, short research project, that might be worth investigating. Xtifr tälk 21:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but yet another mention of a Holly sighting in some cartoon show is really not a worthy addition to this article. What the article really needs at this point is more citations and less trivia. Some of the contents of the "Tributes" section should be ruthlessly pruned, IMO. See WP:AVTRIV. Some of the external links look very useful, but they should really be used to cite some of the specific details in the article. I think there's actually enough material here to turn this into at least a B class article (maybe even A), but it definitely needs some cleanup first. Xtifr tälk 17:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
After research on the internet, I have reached the conclusion that "I Fought the Law" was recorded in 1959 after Buddy's death. I believe someone should delete this reference unless someone can give a detail account supporting its recording before 1959.
One detail on the Buddy Holly article needs to be addressed. In this article, it says the plane (in which Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper died) flew into cold but otherwise good weather. However, the same account in the articles of the other two men say the plane flew into a "blinding snowstorm." We need to know which is correct. Kevin Scott Marcus 05:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The CAB report lists the local weather reported to the accident airplane during taxi to the active runway as: Precipitation ceiling 3,000 feet, sky obscured; visibility 6 miles; light snow; wind south 20 knots, gusts to 30 knots; altimeter setting 29.85 inches. Jdavrgfan 01:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Ritchie Valen's wikipedia page says the airplane took off in a blinding snowstorm. This one says that the weather was good but extremely cold. There's a contradiction here. 192.28.2.41 19:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)VM
In the article its mentioned that Sam was able to complete the mission and was baffled why he hadn't leaped which isn't correct, Sam was baffled because despite his best efforts he wanst able to marry Tess so the mission wasnt complete and the probabilities were too low that he was there to marry Tess and when he corrects the fictional Buddy Holly to sing Peggy Sue instead of Piggy he leaps. Maybe it should be corrected? ( 86.29.104.180)
I think that that whole thing about The Hollies should be taken out, or at least dropped to a blurb in the "Tributes" section. I took out the line that I've italicized in the following statement, "According to the band's website, although the group admired Buddy Holly (and years later produced an album covering some of his songs), their name was inspired primarily by the sprigs of holly in evidence around Christmas of 1962. The site also admits to a degree of uncertainty about that story, so it is possible that they have disavowed any reference to Holly in order to avoid legal or copyright issues." because it was speculation
The following needs some references before it can go back into the article:
Holly's personal style, more controlled and cerebral than that of Elvis and more youthful and innovative than the country and western stars of his day, would have an influence on both sides of the Atlantic for decades to come, reflected particularly in the New Wave movement in artists such as Elvis Costello and Marshall Crenshaw (who portrayed Holly in the Ritchie Valens biopic La Bamba), and earlier in folk rock bands like The Byrds and The Turtles.
Clarityfiend 07:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be possible to edit the above para. so that it doesn't require references? On one hand, it's kind of hard to think of a 60s or early 70s band that did not in some way show hints or influence from Holly (just because he was there at the start). There were artists like Linda Rondstadt who scored a series of hits doing nothing but covers of Holly (e.g., That'll be the day, It's so easy...). On the other hand, I agree that it can become fairly speculative to say that he was more "cerebral" than Elvis. I agree with that claim by the way, but I can see where it might need to be toned down to match the tone of a wikI article. C d h 18:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Holly's brother Larry is a Baptist minister and thinks that Holly never lost his faith. Of course he would want to believe that, but is there any hard evidence that he's wrong? I can't find anything on the net where Holly talks about his religious beliefs or lack of them. If there is evidence that he was an atheist, could we please have a source? Robert Arnold Conrad ( talk) 12:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Whoever wrote this article did not research Buddy's death accurately. Holly's body did not hit a tree following the crash -- that was Ronnie Van Zandt of Lynyrd Skynyrd. There are numerous photographs of the crash scene (all of which are viewable on the Web) and they plainly show the wreckage lying in the middle of a cornfield. Holly's body can clearly be seen just a few feet from the fusilage, with no trees anywhere in sight. Rusty1956 ( talk) 04:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Link to crash photo -- http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/h/Buddy%20Holly/corn%20field.JPG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.46.199.238 ( talk) 20:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed the bit about the tree. The section is unreferenced. So, until a source is added to back up the claim, it doesn't belong. → Wordbuilder ( talk) 20:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton ( talk) 04:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there a good reason why we have two pictures of the headstone? Lars T. ( talk) 17:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Buddy Holly's song 'Dearest', is on the Juno Soundtrack CD. Should this be recorded in the article? If so, where would it go?---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heytaytay99 ( talk • contribs) 02:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
The song 'Dearest' is not listed in the discography or anywhere else for that matter, does anyone know what year it was recorded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.144.249 ( talk) 00:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I assume that 'According to the Amburn book (p. 45), his public name changed from "Holley" to "Holly"...' refers to Ellis Amburn and Buddy Holly: A Biography, but would prefer to confirmation before fixing the article. Clarityfiend ( talk) 16:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
The Amburn book is notoriously unreliable. For example, it doesn't get the UK TV appearance right. Amburn says there was only the BBC in Britain at the tine, but Holly was on the rival ITV!
Jim Birkenshaw ( talk) 21:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm new to this, but without wishing to offend anyone, this article seems very poor indeed. Is it worth having it at all?
I don't know how to grade it, but B seems generous.
Jim Birkenshaw ( talk) 09:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
It was a wire recorder, not tape. Jim Birkenshaw ( talk) 21:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I cannot find any movie with this subject matter being released 2-3-2009 or any reference to such being filmed. Please show more information, including actors, studio, link to previews. Faithlymisskitty ( talk) 02:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC) Faithlymisskitty
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MP3 of phone call. Details on blog.wfmu.org. Fascinating. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
That's what I hear. I reverted that, because it sure seems appropriate (aside from maybe the pocket stuff). We have the leadup to his death and the aftermath, so "how he died" is naturally the central point. Or am I missing something? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:18, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
The lead is overly detailed and is too long. I know that the main editor is interested in taking this highly important article to GA but it won't pass unless the lead is dealt with. Best, jona (talk) 23:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
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Real life does have an annoying habit of intruding and preventing decent work on Wikipedia, doesn't it? I'll close this now. Keep well. SilkTork ✔Tea time 08:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a decent amount of material been gathered here on the subject of Buddy Holly, and I think the article is close to meeting GA criteria. It would benefit from a little more work as regards the lead, the prose, and a refocus on Holly's music style, his visual image, and his general importance in the story of rock and roll. Put on hold for these issues to be addressed or discussed. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Closed as not listed. SilkTork ✔Tea time 08:39, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Per MOS:BIRTHNAME and MOS:LEGALNAME, if the artist didn't legally change their name to their stage name, then their birth name is introduced first in the lead sentence. Other examples: Ringo Starr, Bono, and Flea (musician).
From Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies: Investigation may sometimes be needed to determine whether a subject known usually by a pseudonym has actually changed their legal name to match. Reginald Kenneth Dwight formally changed his name to Elton Hercules John early in his musical career. Where this is not the case, and where the subject uses a popular form of their name in everyday life, then care must be taken to avoid implying that a person who does not generally use all their forenames or who uses a familiar form has actually changed their name. Do not write, for example "John Edwards (born Johnny Reid Edwards, June 10, 1953) ...". It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name.
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Not sure that it matters, but a reference that seems as least as worthy as those mentioned regarding the Simpsons, was in George Lucas' "American Graffiti" when the character John Milner states after turning off the car radio which was playing the Beach Boys:
"I don't like that surfin' s--t. Rock 'n' Roll's been goin' downhill ever since Buddy Holly died." http://www.filmsite.org/amerg.html - Pcorkett ( talk) 08:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I propose the inclusion of The Weezer song "Buddy Holly" - Mullhawk ( talk) 23:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
What about Frankie Muniz playing him in The Dewey Cox story?Sorry,Ive never seen the movie,but it showed it on Frankies page,so I figured it should be on here.-- D3t3ctiv3 ( talk) 08:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the policy is about wiki-linking songs etc. that do not yet have an article behind them. I notice that sometimes (as in the most recent edit of this article) people remove red links, but I thought the idea was to leave a place holder for an anticipated future article. Can someone point to the place where this is discussed, or where a consensus has been reached? Jgm 17:11, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Morwen's edit is correct -- "the plane was named 'American Pie' or 'Miss American Pie'" is an urban legend. see http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/amerpie.htm for details. Jgm 15:58, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I'm feel like I should ask others for opinions, so I think it might be more appropriate to have Buddy Holly and the Crickets redirect to The Crickets rather than to Buddy Holly. I know that Buddy Holly is the main reason for the band, but The Crickets' page only has a link for him anyways. However, The Crickets did continue without him, and there might be some confusion. -- Ricky81682 05:34, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
Any comment on adding to the wreck? I've read (in Flying, I think) the wreck may have been due to smoke in the cockpit, from a heater in the tail that caught fire. (The same cause has been blamed for the crash that killed Rick Nelson.) I've also seen pilot inexperience (lack of instrument time for the conditions) blamed. --fourthina3, 16/11/05
Also, the CAB was NOT a predecessor of the FAA. They were coterminous and had different missions regulating the airline industry. The CAB was eliminated in the Carter Administration, and the FAA existed long before Carter.
- wosuna 2/2/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wosuna ( talk • contribs) 23:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
"...they opened for Bill Haley...". It is unclear if 'they' refers to Buddy and Bob or Buddy and Elvis.
Also, I changed Holley to Holly, so it wasn't half one way and half the other. Clarityfiend 02:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there any good reason why there's no picture of a living and performing Buddy Holly on this page? Are there no public domain images available? Wouldn't it count as fair use if there are only copyrighted ones available?... ENpeeOHvee 04:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE - I did a quick search and was able to find some album covers, so I uploaded them, since I know they can be included under fair use. But more images should still be added. ENpeeOHvee 05:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Could a Holly expert please add to the songlist at Felice and Boudleaux Bryant? -- Design 09:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
At least some of the peak chart positions listed are wrong. Where did they come from? According to Billboard, Buddy Holly landed three Top Ten singles: That'll Be The Day at #1, Peggy Sue at #3 and Oh, Boy! at #10. That's it. I used the chart positions listed on this page in an argument online about Little Richard vs. Buddy Holly. I got burned. Thanks a lot. Clashwho 22:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I thought the assistant was the son of the vet. But I do know that the son was playing a song on his guitar about a pig named Sue and therefor singing Piggy Sue. Then the main character from Quantum Leap proposed to call the song Peggy Sue cause (being from the future) he was sure that would make a better title for a song
The young Buddy was an assistant to Dr. Beckett's character. (this is evidenced by the fact that he would generally ask if he could go home after finishing up with the animals.) He had the tune for peggy sue throughout the episode but kept putting different lyrics with it. At the very end after Dr. Beckett had accomplished what he believed to be his mission and realized he was still there, he started looking for the piglet saying "Piggy, Souee." this caused the boy who was playing his guitar to start singing with the words Piggy Souee in place of Peggy Sue. Al and Sam exchange looks and Al tells him to try it. Sam looks at the boy and for the first time addresses him by a name other than a nickname, saying "Buddy, (to which the boy looks up) why don't you try Peggy Sue. It might sound better." Buddy goes along with it and launches into the song we know today as Peggy Sue.
Brad Zeak 06:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC) Brad Zeak
I moved the discography in this article to its own, Buddy Holly discography. The trend for larger articles on bands/musicians seems to be to separate the discography if it is a lengthy one. -- cholmes75 ( chit chat) 02:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Most images and references seem to show or mention his Fender Stratocaster, but the museum in Lubbock reportedly has his Gibson Les Paul [1]. Does it seem like that might be worth mentioning as well? (References to songs he used it on or shows where he used it would be particularly helpful.) Also, I found a report that Gary Busey had bought one of Holly's guitars, but haven't found any details about which one or what kind. If someone wanted an interesting, short research project, that might be worth investigating. Xtifr tälk 21:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but yet another mention of a Holly sighting in some cartoon show is really not a worthy addition to this article. What the article really needs at this point is more citations and less trivia. Some of the contents of the "Tributes" section should be ruthlessly pruned, IMO. See WP:AVTRIV. Some of the external links look very useful, but they should really be used to cite some of the specific details in the article. I think there's actually enough material here to turn this into at least a B class article (maybe even A), but it definitely needs some cleanup first. Xtifr tälk 17:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
After research on the internet, I have reached the conclusion that "I Fought the Law" was recorded in 1959 after Buddy's death. I believe someone should delete this reference unless someone can give a detail account supporting its recording before 1959.
One detail on the Buddy Holly article needs to be addressed. In this article, it says the plane (in which Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper died) flew into cold but otherwise good weather. However, the same account in the articles of the other two men say the plane flew into a "blinding snowstorm." We need to know which is correct. Kevin Scott Marcus 05:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The CAB report lists the local weather reported to the accident airplane during taxi to the active runway as: Precipitation ceiling 3,000 feet, sky obscured; visibility 6 miles; light snow; wind south 20 knots, gusts to 30 knots; altimeter setting 29.85 inches. Jdavrgfan 01:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Ritchie Valen's wikipedia page says the airplane took off in a blinding snowstorm. This one says that the weather was good but extremely cold. There's a contradiction here. 192.28.2.41 19:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)VM
In the article its mentioned that Sam was able to complete the mission and was baffled why he hadn't leaped which isn't correct, Sam was baffled because despite his best efforts he wanst able to marry Tess so the mission wasnt complete and the probabilities were too low that he was there to marry Tess and when he corrects the fictional Buddy Holly to sing Peggy Sue instead of Piggy he leaps. Maybe it should be corrected? ( 86.29.104.180)
I think that that whole thing about The Hollies should be taken out, or at least dropped to a blurb in the "Tributes" section. I took out the line that I've italicized in the following statement, "According to the band's website, although the group admired Buddy Holly (and years later produced an album covering some of his songs), their name was inspired primarily by the sprigs of holly in evidence around Christmas of 1962. The site also admits to a degree of uncertainty about that story, so it is possible that they have disavowed any reference to Holly in order to avoid legal or copyright issues." because it was speculation
The following needs some references before it can go back into the article:
Holly's personal style, more controlled and cerebral than that of Elvis and more youthful and innovative than the country and western stars of his day, would have an influence on both sides of the Atlantic for decades to come, reflected particularly in the New Wave movement in artists such as Elvis Costello and Marshall Crenshaw (who portrayed Holly in the Ritchie Valens biopic La Bamba), and earlier in folk rock bands like The Byrds and The Turtles.
Clarityfiend 07:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be possible to edit the above para. so that it doesn't require references? On one hand, it's kind of hard to think of a 60s or early 70s band that did not in some way show hints or influence from Holly (just because he was there at the start). There were artists like Linda Rondstadt who scored a series of hits doing nothing but covers of Holly (e.g., That'll be the day, It's so easy...). On the other hand, I agree that it can become fairly speculative to say that he was more "cerebral" than Elvis. I agree with that claim by the way, but I can see where it might need to be toned down to match the tone of a wikI article. C d h 18:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Holly's brother Larry is a Baptist minister and thinks that Holly never lost his faith. Of course he would want to believe that, but is there any hard evidence that he's wrong? I can't find anything on the net where Holly talks about his religious beliefs or lack of them. If there is evidence that he was an atheist, could we please have a source? Robert Arnold Conrad ( talk) 12:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Whoever wrote this article did not research Buddy's death accurately. Holly's body did not hit a tree following the crash -- that was Ronnie Van Zandt of Lynyrd Skynyrd. There are numerous photographs of the crash scene (all of which are viewable on the Web) and they plainly show the wreckage lying in the middle of a cornfield. Holly's body can clearly be seen just a few feet from the fusilage, with no trees anywhere in sight. Rusty1956 ( talk) 04:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Link to crash photo -- http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/h/Buddy%20Holly/corn%20field.JPG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.46.199.238 ( talk) 20:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed the bit about the tree. The section is unreferenced. So, until a source is added to back up the claim, it doesn't belong. → Wordbuilder ( talk) 20:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton ( talk) 04:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there a good reason why we have two pictures of the headstone? Lars T. ( talk) 17:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Buddy Holly's song 'Dearest', is on the Juno Soundtrack CD. Should this be recorded in the article? If so, where would it go?---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heytaytay99 ( talk • contribs) 02:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
The song 'Dearest' is not listed in the discography or anywhere else for that matter, does anyone know what year it was recorded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.144.249 ( talk) 00:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I assume that 'According to the Amburn book (p. 45), his public name changed from "Holley" to "Holly"...' refers to Ellis Amburn and Buddy Holly: A Biography, but would prefer to confirmation before fixing the article. Clarityfiend ( talk) 16:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
The Amburn book is notoriously unreliable. For example, it doesn't get the UK TV appearance right. Amburn says there was only the BBC in Britain at the tine, but Holly was on the rival ITV!
Jim Birkenshaw ( talk) 21:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm new to this, but without wishing to offend anyone, this article seems very poor indeed. Is it worth having it at all?
I don't know how to grade it, but B seems generous.
Jim Birkenshaw ( talk) 09:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
It was a wire recorder, not tape. Jim Birkenshaw ( talk) 21:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I cannot find any movie with this subject matter being released 2-3-2009 or any reference to such being filmed. Please show more information, including actors, studio, link to previews. Faithlymisskitty ( talk) 02:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC) Faithlymisskitty
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MP3 of phone call. Details on blog.wfmu.org. Fascinating. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
That's what I hear. I reverted that, because it sure seems appropriate (aside from maybe the pocket stuff). We have the leadup to his death and the aftermath, so "how he died" is naturally the central point. Or am I missing something? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:18, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
The lead is overly detailed and is too long. I know that the main editor is interested in taking this highly important article to GA but it won't pass unless the lead is dealt with. Best, jona (talk) 23:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Real life does have an annoying habit of intruding and preventing decent work on Wikipedia, doesn't it? I'll close this now. Keep well. SilkTork ✔Tea time 08:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a decent amount of material been gathered here on the subject of Buddy Holly, and I think the article is close to meeting GA criteria. It would benefit from a little more work as regards the lead, the prose, and a refocus on Holly's music style, his visual image, and his general importance in the story of rock and roll. Put on hold for these issues to be addressed or discussed. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Closed as not listed. SilkTork ✔Tea time 08:39, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Per MOS:BIRTHNAME and MOS:LEGALNAME, if the artist didn't legally change their name to their stage name, then their birth name is introduced first in the lead sentence. Other examples: Ringo Starr, Bono, and Flea (musician).
From Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies: Investigation may sometimes be needed to determine whether a subject known usually by a pseudonym has actually changed their legal name to match. Reginald Kenneth Dwight formally changed his name to Elton Hercules John early in his musical career. Where this is not the case, and where the subject uses a popular form of their name in everyday life, then care must be taken to avoid implying that a person who does not generally use all their forenames or who uses a familiar form has actually changed their name. Do not write, for example "John Edwards (born Johnny Reid Edwards, June 10, 1953) ...". It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name.
Wash whites separately ( talk) 18:10, 21 July 2016 (UTC)