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Being that Buddy Bolden never recorded, it is most likely that he played ragtime. I have read that several jazz musicians who played with him or heard him play said that he played different music from early jazz, even though there was a tendency for these early jazz musician to refer to jazz and ragtime interchangeably. Pitchka 16:44, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
I also changed the statement about Bolden's band being tops from 1895 to 1900, which seems closer. Some early writing like "Jazzmen" seem to have things a few years too early, in part via Bunk Johnson who misremembered some dates, for example Bunk put incidents with Bolden at Lincoln and Johnson Parks before the Spanish American War whereas from newspaper records the parks didn't open until just after the turn of the century. Louis Jones said when he moved in to Bolden's block, Bolden was playing but not yet good nor famous, and Big Eye Louis Nelson Delisle recalled playing in a band with Bolden the night of the Robert Charles riots (certainly something that would stick in the memory, especially since Nelson Deslile's father was killed in the riot) at which time Bolden was working as a side man not yet a well known bandleader. -- Infrogmation 18:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
This article is not politically correct. Dixieland is a derogatory term for Southern music. More appropriate terms are New Orleans Jazz and Memphis Jazz. Dixieland demeans the musicians. Musicians from the South who play Traditional Jazz do not like the term Dixieland.
It's not only "Politically Incorrect", but it is of a "Damn-Sight" insulting to both Afric-Americans, and white Americans (specifically Anglo-Saxons of the United States American South, Mid-West, and Western States (except California, and Washington State)! This "breach" of music genres is enough to incite anything from immediate "rebuke" (as I am doing here,) to, in some cases violence to break out. One "camp" does not breach the "other", in these matters!
Also, it must be noted, as both a historical, and cultural reminder, that white Southerners are perennially in "raging", rug-chewing jealous fits because they can't play Jazz, Blues, "Soul\Rhythm and Blues", even though they had mimicked Black music (on both sides of "The Pond"). The reason is that perhaps (and more likely a fact) white Caucasians are incapable of compositional, and thematic improvisation...or, to be fair, they deliberately 'lost' the ability to! As to the reasons, and "why-fors" of this mental\spiritual\cultural disease I decline to explain for now; and it were the cautious thing to do presently, as the cited ethnic category of W.A.S.P.s, (collectively, and globally,) tend to break out in a rageon this topic (sort of like, bibically naming "The Beast"!!! Veryverser
I would like to see a citation as to who says Buddy Bolden originated or invented the "Big Four." Aside Wynton Marsalis, in the Ken Burns documentary Jazz, I've never heard this. Certainly those who spoke on the famous Library of Congress recordings in the late 30s never credited him with this, and they knew him and remembered hearing him play. It's also odd that this was "invented" by a trumpeter and not a drummer. Not impossible, certainly, but odd. Marsalis has been accused of saying as "fact" some things in the Ken Burns documentary that as far as anyone knows have no basis in history, but since then claims that Bolden was behind the "Big Four" are uncontested. Hopefully we are not washing away the romanticism and mythology of jazz's origins with more romanticism and mythology. If we can't find a Marsalis-independent citation for this, I strongly feel it should be cut, or at the very least attributed solely to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:643:8101:6A37:CD29:D91F:25D:E2D2 ( talk) 02:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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Being that Buddy Bolden never recorded, it is most likely that he played ragtime. I have read that several jazz musicians who played with him or heard him play said that he played different music from early jazz, even though there was a tendency for these early jazz musician to refer to jazz and ragtime interchangeably. Pitchka 16:44, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
I also changed the statement about Bolden's band being tops from 1895 to 1900, which seems closer. Some early writing like "Jazzmen" seem to have things a few years too early, in part via Bunk Johnson who misremembered some dates, for example Bunk put incidents with Bolden at Lincoln and Johnson Parks before the Spanish American War whereas from newspaper records the parks didn't open until just after the turn of the century. Louis Jones said when he moved in to Bolden's block, Bolden was playing but not yet good nor famous, and Big Eye Louis Nelson Delisle recalled playing in a band with Bolden the night of the Robert Charles riots (certainly something that would stick in the memory, especially since Nelson Deslile's father was killed in the riot) at which time Bolden was working as a side man not yet a well known bandleader. -- Infrogmation 18:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
This article is not politically correct. Dixieland is a derogatory term for Southern music. More appropriate terms are New Orleans Jazz and Memphis Jazz. Dixieland demeans the musicians. Musicians from the South who play Traditional Jazz do not like the term Dixieland.
It's not only "Politically Incorrect", but it is of a "Damn-Sight" insulting to both Afric-Americans, and white Americans (specifically Anglo-Saxons of the United States American South, Mid-West, and Western States (except California, and Washington State)! This "breach" of music genres is enough to incite anything from immediate "rebuke" (as I am doing here,) to, in some cases violence to break out. One "camp" does not breach the "other", in these matters!
Also, it must be noted, as both a historical, and cultural reminder, that white Southerners are perennially in "raging", rug-chewing jealous fits because they can't play Jazz, Blues, "Soul\Rhythm and Blues", even though they had mimicked Black music (on both sides of "The Pond"). The reason is that perhaps (and more likely a fact) white Caucasians are incapable of compositional, and thematic improvisation...or, to be fair, they deliberately 'lost' the ability to! As to the reasons, and "why-fors" of this mental\spiritual\cultural disease I decline to explain for now; and it were the cautious thing to do presently, as the cited ethnic category of W.A.S.P.s, (collectively, and globally,) tend to break out in a rageon this topic (sort of like, bibically naming "The Beast"!!! Veryverser
I would like to see a citation as to who says Buddy Bolden originated or invented the "Big Four." Aside Wynton Marsalis, in the Ken Burns documentary Jazz, I've never heard this. Certainly those who spoke on the famous Library of Congress recordings in the late 30s never credited him with this, and they knew him and remembered hearing him play. It's also odd that this was "invented" by a trumpeter and not a drummer. Not impossible, certainly, but odd. Marsalis has been accused of saying as "fact" some things in the Ken Burns documentary that as far as anyone knows have no basis in history, but since then claims that Bolden was behind the "Big Four" are uncontested. Hopefully we are not washing away the romanticism and mythology of jazz's origins with more romanticism and mythology. If we can't find a Marsalis-independent citation for this, I strongly feel it should be cut, or at the very least attributed solely to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:643:8101:6A37:CD29:D91F:25D:E2D2 ( talk) 02:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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