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I was hoping to do a section or sub-section for Bristol or the controversy on Sarah Palin but I am not inclined to write this up starting from scratch. The stuff in history of this article is essentially useless, Anybody have any drafts? Anyone want to take a crack at it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.177.202 ( talk) 21:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no separate entry for BRISTOL Palin ???
Why are searches for her name redirected to her mother's page ???
BRISTOL Palin is major headline news.
I think BRISTOL Palin warrants a page of her own.
Or are we dealing with
Censorship in the USA? Censorship at Wikipedia?
Make a page if you want it....this is not locked Corpx ( talk) 05:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of creating the page... probably needs some work. Aussie.power ( talk) 10:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
For the sake of the discussion, I am hereby inserting a repeat of some of the contributions on another "Bristol palin" talk page, that was closed due to the incorrect capitalization of the subjects name, after having been heavily vandalized by one certain Dlohcierekim:
78.21.12.29 ( talk) 03:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
If the subject in question has enough significant coverage from reliable sources, then why cant an article be created? We have pages on a lot of youtube celebrities. I fail to see what age has to do with anything here. I dont see any problems having an article if its well sourced from reliable sources. Corpx ( talk) 05:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
That's a good point and I'd agree with you if she had kept a relatively low profile, but she and her fiance has been touring the campaign and have thrust themselves into the limelight. I'd guess that she's also going be covered by the media heavily till the elections and there is already plenty of significant coverage for a well sourced article. Corpx ( talk) 05:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm too lazy to do this, but I feel like others who want to put in the effort should be able to do so. In addition to the pregnancy, she has also become a hot topic about teen marriage. Is Mary Cheney known for anything other than being the gay daughter of a VP? What about Barbara Pierce Bush? Corpx ( talk) 05:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
There's no policy giving automatic notability to wifes/kids of politicians in power. The bar should be whether or not the person passes WP:N, and I believe this girl does. Also, her mom is currently the sitting governor of Alaska. Corpx ( talk) 15:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the redirect should point to Sarah Palin#Family which is the correct section. I'd change it myself but alas, noone gave me such tools for that. So thanks for doing it for me ;-) So Why 13:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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However there is no such section as
Sarah Palin#Family; it should be redirected to
Sarah Palin#Personal life. Not sure why
Bristol Palin is protected - there was only one remotely quesionable edit!
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talk) 20:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC){{ editprotected}} The redirect is broken. Please fix redirect to be: Sarah Palin#Background and family life. -- 76.221.184.92 ( talk) 18:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
This article space is under probation, see Talk:Sarah_Palin/Article_probation.
Please discuss any changes to this article (or to the redirect and the editing protection) at Talk:Sarah Palin. See also Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED for some background. Gwen Gale ( talk) 14:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I say we ought to unprotect this redirect page, and allow editing of this article. Bristol's boyfriend, Levi Johnston, now has his own article, and now that Bristol has gone on a media blitz as part of her national campaign against teen pregnancy, it is time she got her own article. Dems on the move ( talk) 13:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
See the thread at RPP. Gwen Gale ( talk) 13:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Should we find one that is just of Bristol and doesn't show any minors? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 18:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Other options mostly have Levi
I could keep going... jbolden1517 Talk 18:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't trying to show you up. Sorry if I came off that way. jbolden1517 Talk 20:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
We should probably attribute that statement, since it's kinda self serving for the Candie's Foundation. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 04:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion either way. But it was misatributed (not said by the "Candies Foundation") and didn't make a lot of sense as written. I fixed earlier and attributed it. Again, don't really care, but as it stood it was both innacurate and unatributed (it needs at least the second thing to stay). Bali ultimate ( talk) 00:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
THere's some new user making this [4] edit without summaries. Have no idea if its accurate, have reverted a few times since it's absent sources. Even if wrong it's not a BLP violation, just, well, would like sources about something the accuracy of which is unclear. I'm leaving it alone for now and hopefully the editor will explain. Bali ultimate ( talk) 01:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Her full name is Bristol Sheeran Marie Palin. Not only is it listed on Todd Palin's page, but was also published in the May 2009 issue of People Magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cait g328 ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Go buy the magazine and then start doing your job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cait g328 ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
It actually appears in the June 1, 2009 edition on page 59 on lines 7 and 8. I was mistaken when I said May. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cait g328 ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I can confirm this. It is published in the magazine article. I'm sure the highlights of the article are not yet online, as it is a recent publication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanmenez ( talk • contribs) 15:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I removed the prod tag, this has sources on multiple events, the pregnancy and the abstinence advocate. Dont thin BLP1E applies here and there are enough sources about her and about what she has been involved in to merit an article. Nableezy ( talk) 06:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I think we should just point it at Candie's. That article doesn't have much, but it has some info, and I don't think anyone is going to be creating a great article on the foundation anytime soon, if ever. It would probably get merged into the main Candie's article, anyways. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 02:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The Candie's foundation accepts gifts. The shoe company does not. Which likely means (we would have to investigate) that the foundation is a separate financial entity. In particular it must have its own governing structure and file its own tax return. I doubt (though it is possible) that it is evn a wholly owned non-profit subsidiary; most likely the single relationship between the two is that the show company gives a lot of money to the foundation. This linking that people are doing strikes me as the height undue weight to the name. Candie's foundation needs its own page. You cannot treat bristol or other spokespeople actors/singers as if they had a legal relationship with the shoe company, they do not. This is classic WP:SYN, Bristol works for X, X gets money from Y therefore these is a connection between Bristol and Y. jbolden1517 Talk 11:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The discussion of "teen pregnancy" seems to ignore the fact that some teens are married, and that nobody argues that they should avoid having children. It is premarital, not teen, pregnancy that arouses condemnation. Unfree ( talk) 22:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure why Sarah Palin's template is at the foot of this article. Any comments? Centrepull ( talk) 09:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
This text was in the article:
The problem is Fox has reused that URL; the interview located at that page is now an interview with Al Gore.
I see three questions which require discussion and/or some research:
Rather than edit-war about the situation, I'd like to get discussion about it here. — C.Fred ( talk) 14:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and changed the text as indicated below:
If anybody is strongly enough opposed to this change that the want to revert and re-open discussion, I have no objections. — C.Fred ( talk) 00:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Do we have any RSes on the new consulting company Bristol founded? I know that right now this is just a wrapper for her work with Candie's but it might be worth tracking to see future developments. jbolden1517 Talk 14:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
OK I think I got sources let me know if there are any objections, including the TV show ____
I'm thinking of language like (refs inline for now ). Feel free to comment / revise.
In 2010 Palin formed BSMP a lobbying, public relations, and political consulting service. (3 refs with original documentation from state of Alaska [8] [9] [10]). While the initial focus will be working with Candie's foundation BSMP will expand more broadly for additional Bristol Palin customers. Early speculation that this is associated with a possible 2012 campaign for Sarah Palin has been plausibly denied [11] jbolden1517 Talk 19:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm looking at the latest reversions. The company is BSMP not Bristol Sheeran Marie Palin. The name may stand for Bristol Sheeran Marie Palin but that is not its name. As for LLC generally we don't care whether a company is an LLC, s-corp or c-corp on wikipedia when we name companies. Most states requires business in the United States has a tax identifier at the end of its legal name, that doesn't change the legal name. So for example the legal name of my company is Blue Lotus SIDC LLC but no one calls it that, it is called Blue Lotus SIDC. The Huffington post is quoting the Maddow show, why not just go with the more reliable source? jbolden1517 Talk 12:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Plausible denial has a specific meaning. Stating that suggestions that this new venture has something to do with mom's 2012 campaign has been "plausibly denied" does not make sense. It doesn't really mean that the denial is believable, more believable than unbelievable, or "should be believed". The terminology is usually used to mean that a plan leaves room for the culpablity of the actors to be denied. Using it here is confusing at best. -- Evb-wiki ( talk) 20:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) maybe I'm being dense. I don't see how you want the sentence to read. Sorry for not following. Could you give me the whole sentence the way you would want it to read? jbolden1517 Talk 02:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
All I am saying is that it's pretty useless to put "Bristol Palin clients" if we put "more clients" or "her clients", that's good enough. The entire article is dedicated to Bristol Palin already. I don't know why someone would have to say, "Bristol Palin clients". ★ Dasani★ 04:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh I see. Yeah go ahead and make the change, I'm fine with subbing out with a pronoun. jbolden1517 Talk 04:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
The introduction was awkward, "Daughter of Todd Palin and Sarah Palin". I changed it to "Todd and Sarah Palin". If any person had ever saw this page, they would most definitely know about Sarah. If they did not know about Sarah, there is a photo, over thirty sources, and a huge infobox on the bottom to sort this out. Jamie Lynn Spears and Paris Hilton don't say "Daughter of ___ matriarch". ★ Dasani★ 06:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
SHouldn't it read she was planning to attend school in the contiguous US, not the continental. Alaska is on the same continent. (if that sentence warrants inclusion at all I'm not addessing here) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.48.235.186 ( talk) 13:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to say what the show is about? Looking at much more famous celebrities such as Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, and Natalie Portman, so many stars have had guest appearances on a TV show. Their respective Wikipedia articles simply state they "appeared on ___" or "did ___ on ___", never explaining what the show is about. That's why we have separate pages and we would italicize and link to those articles (them being the ones the famous people appeared on). If anybody wants to know, they can click on the link and read the article of the TV show for further information. Yesterday I had attempted to reword this, then I looked around shortly after editing it and realized that not only was the new wording confusing, it was unnecessary.
I also added more to the infobox to bring it up to a better quality of a Wikipedia article. ★ Dasani★ 22:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
← I have to agree with MagnificentCK here - the subject matter of the series is exactly why she was on it, and including those few words makes that clear. Tvoz/ talk 02:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Bristol is now engaged to Levi Johnston (again). Although few sources are reporting it now, AOL and USA Today have just reported it and more will be expected soon. I will refrain from editing the article for now, but I expect it will be able to be updated fairly soon. 148.129.129.154 ( talk) 12:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
To be honest, why is the bit about Bristol being seen in the club important? We know nothing of their leisurely lives. Perhaps McCain and her mother drank, too, or her brother does it quite often. Levi seems like a likely candidate. So many celebrities drink and party that it's difficult to name one that doesn't. The only notable fact about this remains that she was 19 years old, while the minimum expected age to be in an American club is 21. Removed that tidbit. 75.5.13.199 ( talk) 04:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I think it has been removed. I don't see it anywhere. Whitestorm13 ( talk) 02:14, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I saw some addition of Bristol formerly dating Ben Barber was deleted. Not sure its the sort of thing that needs to be in the article, but figured I would note here. The gossip story, at least, is that Bristol was "living" with Barber until very shortly before she got back together with Levi, and now Barber is working on the North Slope (considered a good job). Like everything surrounding SP, we need to think before adding it.-- Milowent ( talk) 14:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I really do not think this is true. I think everybody would have heard about it, if it was true. Whitestorm13 ( talk) 01:51, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
http://www.ktva.com/oldlocal/ci_15669059?source=rss
158.145.224.33 (
talk) 23:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous IP (or several) continuously feel the impulse to add that Bristol and Levi's child was born on December 27, 2008. Why is his birth month and day so important? We already know that his uncle was born earlier in the year. If you're going to add his entire birthday, we might as well do the same for Bristol's parents and siblings. ★ Dasani★ 20:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
On her page, under her picture, caption says "Bristol holding baby brother, August." Her baby brother's name is Trig, and her baby is named Tripp. So, why does it say August? I don't know where that came from, but it needs to be fixed. Whitestorm13 ( talk) 02:52, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh my goodness. I completely misread that, but thanks for clearing that up anyways. :) Also, I was wondering why you removed my edit about her going far in Dancing With the Stars? I just wanted to point out that America has proven that they liked her, by giving her so many votes, even though she was barely famous before Dancing With the Stars. I was wondering, because I really think it should be there. Kind Regards, Whitestorm13 ( talk) 03:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
The "headshot" that has been inserted into the infobox seems to be just an extreme blowup/closeup of another shot - and the resolution is very bad. I think we should stick with the photo we had been using, of Palin holding her brother at the convention, until we find something better. The closeup is fuzzy and a poor shot for an encyclopedia article. Anyone else? Tvoz/ talk 20:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is the article semi protected for six months? I have not seen enough recent vandalism to justify semi protection for such a long period. Victor Victoria ( talk) 05:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
← More succinctly: I think waiting for DWTS to end is the way to go, and see what that brings in terms of the potential for vandalism and evaluate then. There's no need to change the time period now. Tvoz/ talk 18:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is a citation needed that she appeared on the show? The show is the citation. Also, what is the opposition to saying that it is her mother's show? Victor Victoria ( talk) 06:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
According to WP:Lead:
The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any notable controversies
. The lead as it is, is clearly too short and needs more detail. -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 10:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
It currently reads
When Sarah Palin was chosen as John McCain's vice presidential running mate, in late August 2008, his advisers already knew of Bristol's pregnancy, which they believed would be a political liability .... Speaking about Palin's pregnancy, political commentator Michelle Malkin said, "One ticket sees this as a blessing. The other sees it as a curse. Could the core differences between the two be any starker?"[16]
Ok, so McCain's advisers thought Bristol's pregnancy would be a political liability -- then Malkin is quoted as saying "One ticket sees this as a blessing. The other sees it as a curse." This is very confusing, and could easily be interpreted as saying that Bristol's pregnancy was a blessing to Democrats, especially since this article later says that McCain's advisers thought it was a liability and later thought that if Bristol got married, it would boost McCain's waning popularity. However, Malkin likely meant her blessing-curse statement as a pro-life declaration of philosophical differences between the parties since she mentions "core differences". So Malkin meant the opposite - that Republicans believe all babies are a blessing and Democrats think they are a curse. Malkin's musings in and of themselves do have a grain of truth, but they are greatly exaggerated, and they confuse the meaning of the other sourced statements that are in the article. In addition, what Malkin personally thinks about Democrat or Republican core beliefs is irrelevant to this bio of Bristol who is not even a politician. Finally, Malkin's opinion here is so oversimplified that also misrepresents Republicans' as holding a core belief blessing premarital teen sex and single parenthood. Therefore, I am removing Malkin's opinion about Party core beliefs, and here is the diff -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 11:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Here is a passage that needs to be removed:
Several days later, it was reported that Britney Spears's sister, teen mother Jamie Lynn Spears, had sent her burp cloths as a gift.[17][18] Comparisons between the two cases were made.[19][20][21]
First, it is not even an apt comparison. The famous relatives in question had different professions. One was a celebrity singer-dancer-entertainer, the other a politician and officeholder. Britanny was not seen as responsible for her sister's upbringing, (at least not by any reasonable person); whereas some critics could fault Bristol's mother, Sarah. Not only is the comparison illogical but baby gifts received are perhaps as trivial as trivia can be in a bio, which is supposed to be a summary of a notable person's life store. Here is the diff of the change I made. -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 12:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Did she not attend college anywhere? I assumed she did, but it is nowhere on her article. 75.221.76.166 ( talk) 02:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
There is an editor who thinks that Palin's failure to turn in her absentee ballot fails some sort of a " so what" test because her mother was not on the ballot. Although the mother was not on the ballot, her mother was still very active in the election. I don't mind removing this sentence, so long that its removal does not give ground to removing the entire story about the lack of voting due to rehearsals. Victor Victoria ( talk) 18:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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unformatted | Palin's first dance was a [[cha-cha]] to [[Three Dog Night]]'s version of "[[Mama Told Me Not to Come]]", seen{{By whom}} as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin.<ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20017097-10391698.html|title=Bristol Palin's "Dancing With The Stars" Debut Pokes Fun at Mom|last=Lee|first=Joyce| date=21 September 2010|publisher=CBS News|accessdate=3 November 2010}}</ref> | Palin's first dance was a [[cha-cha]] to [[Three Dog Night]]'s version of "[[Mama Told Me Not To Come]]", widely seen<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/bristol-palin-on-dwts-mama-told-me/|title=Bristol Ignores 'Mama' on 'DWTS'|quote="And yes, she's aware that the title is ironic."}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2010/09/bristol-palins-dancing-with-th.html|title=Bristol Palin's Dancing With the Stars song: "Mama Told Me (Not to Come)"|quote="As we reported earlier today, for her very first outing on ABC's dance competition series "Dancing with the Stars," Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and America's Most Famous Unwed Teen Mom, will do the Cha Cha to "Mama Told Me (Not To Come)."[Insert your double entendre joke here.]" }}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1314260/Bristol-Palin-survives-Dancing-With-The-Stars-racy-routine-Mama-Told-Me-Not-To-Come.htm|title=Bristol Palin survives Dancing With The Stars with racy routine to Mama Told Me Not To Come|quote="Clearly hoping to capitalise on the family's controversial time in the spotlight, she said: ‘I’ve always been close to my mum growing up but sometimes I haven’t and this song plays on that.’"}}</ref> as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin.<ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20017097-10391698.html|title=Bristol Palin's "Dancing With The Stars" Debut Pokes Fun at Mom|last=Lee|first=Joyce| date=21 September 2010|publisher=CBS News|accessdate=3 November 2010}}</ref> |
184.59.23.225 ( talk) 23:23, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
The Willow Palin Facebook homophobia exchange shall be considered excluded from Wikipedia on the basis of an editorial decision of non-notability by community consensus [12] and its inclusion shall be considered a violation of Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons content policy. Victor_Victoria ( talk · contribs), 184.59.23.225 ( talk · contribs) and any other involved parties are put on notice that, in the event of reinserting content describing this event, they may be banned on sight from editing articles related to the Palin family ( Sarah Palin, Bristol Palin, and any other future articles) under the terms of the existing article probation; any uninvolved editor may remove the inserted content. -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 14:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
"where she was unexpectedly one of the final three contestants"
i mean really? unexpectedly should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.153.15 ( talk) 05:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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unformatted | Palin's first dance was a [[cha-cha]] to [[Three Dog Night]]'s version of "[[Mama Told Me Not to Come]]", seen{{By whom}} as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin.<ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20017097-10391698.html|title=Bristol Palin's "Dancing With The Stars" Debut Pokes Fun at Mom|last=Lee|first=Joyce| date=21 September 2010|publisher=CBS News|accessdate=3 November 2010}}</ref> | Palin's first dance was a [[cha-cha]] to [[Three Dog Night]]'s version of "[[Mama Told Me Not To Come]]", widely seen<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/bristol-palin-on-dwts-mama-told-me/|title=Bristol Ignores 'Mama' on 'DWTS'|quote="And yes, she's aware that the title is ironic."}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2010/09/bristol-palins-dancing-with-th.html|title=Bristol Palin's Dancing With the Stars song: "Mama Told Me (Not to Come)"|quote="As we reported earlier today, for her very first outing on ABC's dance competition series "Dancing with the Stars," Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and America's Most Famous Unwed Teen Mom, will do the Cha Cha to "Mama Told Me (Not To Come)."[Insert your double entendre joke here.]" }}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1314260/Bristol-Palin-survives-Dancing-With-The-Stars-racy-routine-Mama-Told-Me-Not-To-Come.htm|title=Bristol Palin survives Dancing With The Stars with racy routine to Mama Told Me Not To Come|quote="Clearly hoping to capitalise on the family's controversial time in the spotlight, she said: ‘I’ve always been close to my mum growing up but sometimes I haven’t and this song plays on that.’"}}</ref> as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin.<ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20017097-10391698.html|title=Bristol Palin's "Dancing With The Stars" Debut Pokes Fun at Mom|last=Lee|first=Joyce| date=21 September 2010|publisher=CBS News|accessdate=3 November 2010}}</ref> |
184.59.23.225 ( talk) 21:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
The song Mama Told Me Not to Come was written by Randy Newman. Three Dog Night only did a cover of it. This needs to be fixed in the article. Lngt1124 ( talk) 22:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Victor Victoria ( talk · contribs) has repeatedly added details about the birthdate of Bristol Palin's son. WP:BLP#Privacy of personal information and using primary sources (otherwise known as WP:DOB) is clear about this - "...where the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year." Bristol Palin herself may be slightly above the notability line, her son is not notable at all. Removing per the BLP policy. Kelly hi! 21:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
New Facebook post directly addressing criticisms. Any ideas on how to incorporate? Kelly hi! 05:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The introduction said she made it to the finals despite low scores.
I know 80% of the world hates the Palins...you betcha. But scores do not determine advancement in that game show. It is a combination of votes and scores. So no nasty commentary in the intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.23.136 ( talk) 8:58 pm, 17 November 2010, Wednesday (18 days ago) (UTC−6)
I think it's ridiculous that how she placed in a television program is in the introduction. Please remove it from the introduction and leave that portion to the section dedicated to it, it doesn't need to be there. (Mention that she was on the show is fine, but to go into finer details isn't necessary in that part of the article.) Locke2558 ( talk) 17:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Willow is mentioned at the end, apparently making a homophobic slur on facebook. Willow is a minor and should not be included in this, as she is also not a public figure in any way other than being the daughter of a politician / public figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.252.25.159 ( talk) 16:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
<undent>I do see the point made above - why would a comment by Willow Palin be relevant to an article about Bristol Palin? Kelly hi! 22:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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talk) 19:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)<--[outdent] I think we have to go back to the beginning of this thread where Victor Victoria reverted my changes, lengthening the passage and restoring unsourced quotes of swears and other comments Bristol allegedly made on someone else's Facebook, and restoring a coatracking mention of Willow. Victor Victoria gave a diff above, but it was not the diff of the change that he or she made. Here is diff of the revert that was done:
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During the premiere of "Sarah Palin's Alaska", Bristol posted defensive comments about the show on the Facebook page of a schoolmate of her sister who had criticized the show. Some of Bristol's comments included salty language for which she later apologized. [11] | During the premiere of "Sarah Palin's Alaska", Bristol posted a number of comments on the Facebook page of a boy named Tre, who went to school with her sister Willow. Some of Bristol's comments included "You're running your mouth just to talk shit" and "Talking shit 'cause you have nothing else going for you." Palin posted those comments in response to Tre's comment saying "Sarah Palin's Alaska, is failing so hard right now." Bristol later apologized on behalf of herself and her sister, Willow, who posted a homophobic slur on the same Facebook page. |
Victor Victoria restored the undue emphasis, and non neutral point of view , and material that is simply not notable. This is all in violation of the BLP policies I have discussed and more. Mentioning Willow is coatracking, pure and simple. The consensus on the BLP notice board and here is that much of this is not worth mentioning at all. Last but not least, the actual quotes are unsourced. Per WP:BLP, contentious, unsourced material should be removed immediately. I am again introducing my edits which provide some neutrality. The burden is on the person restoring material that is in violation of BLP policies -- namely Victor/Victoria or anyone else who wants to re-add this material, and they have clearly not met it so far. I can't believe this is a controversy and I question what the motive is for adding back material that violates so many policies as well as the common sense concept of what is notable in an encyclopedia bio. -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 14:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
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184.59.23.225 ( talk) 02:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
As the original author who edited this portion as well as adding in the article, I failed to see a strong argument why this should be excluded, as it is only one person's opinion to exclude the referenced fact because they personally felt it is trivial. I would like to request to have Victor Victoria's suggested revert to be placed back in. Ptahcha ( talk) 03:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
At WP:ANI#Sarah Palin community article probation. Kelly hi! 03:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed the names and years of birth of Bristol's 4 siblings for a number of reasons: this is an article about her, not her brothers and sisters, the "relatives" field is usually only used for notable relatives per Template:Infobox person and none of the siblings are even notable enough for their own article; BLP policies favor privacy of information regarding minors over unnecessary disclosure or gratuitous repetition, and 3 of the 4 are minors; BLP policy and custom result in most articles not even including the names and DOBs of a notable person's own children, unless the children are notable in their own right. Finally, and the information I have removed (a listing of the names and dates of births of Bristol's siblings) is found in the Sarah Palin article which is wikiliked right in the info box of this article, so nothing is lost or buried or hidden or whitewashed or whatever-you-want-to-call-it - in fact, the information is found in its most logical place, the article on their mother, Sarah Palin's. Please bear in mind that I have made several arguments here. If you are going to dispute this innocuous and policy compliant article improvement, please refute or answer all of my arguments before restoring the names and years of birth of Bristol's 4 non notable relatives.-Best regards- -- KeptSouth ( talk) 08:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Is this really what wikipedia is for? Really? 24.29.14.54 ( talk) 15:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC) Wikipedia is about capturing facts. Don't blame the contributors - blame the subject. Ptahcha ( talk) 03:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
The town of Chena, very near Fairbanks, disappeared in the early twentieth century, leaving no ice museum. There is an ice museum at Chena Hot Springs, about 60 miles from Fairbanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.195.38 ( talk) 18:38, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I've added and sourced the discussion and controversy over her jaw surgery. The surgery has dramatically changed her appearance to the point she looks like a different person. It's such a drastic change and she publicly claims it was not plastic surgery. Many stories out there are quoting Plastic surgeons to say otherwise. I'm using jennifer grey as a reference (here in discussion) as to the relevance of the addition. It her public claims aren't true (if she had plastic surgery to look different), her credibility would change with the misstatement. -- Cohen2011 ( talk) 02:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
It is a valid entry as it drastically changed her face, she looks like a different person. Whether or not it was a plastic surgery for looks or a valid medical issue fixed, is not the point. I sourced the topic well. You instead mock rather than explain a valid reason for the removal. Its been moved to Early life section rather than a topical point header. Please show respect to your other wikipedia editors in the future. If you have a valid point of change on this, please voice it here prior to editing. Thank you kindly. -- Cohen2011 ( talk) 05:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I revised the jaw surgery to remove any hint of sensationalism or tabloid fodder. It is a valid entry as she doesn't appear to look like the person in the photo any longer. Not trying to post news updates either, this happened earlier this year and she will always look different because of it, it's most valid for example, than the real estate purchase she made and price paid which hasn't raised any contention. Thank you engaging your concerns with me. -- Cohen2011 ( talk) 20:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
No, I just addressed that in the new section of the memoir. This person is directly known for her talks about pregnancy and sexual practice. She spokesperson who is paid to talk about this very subject. The notation is being drawn from her official memoir. Please revise language as you see fit, but leave it in. -- Cohen2011 ( talk) 20:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
i posted some valid backstory which is direct from her 2011 memoir regarding her pregnancy. Since her career is based on her advice on sexual practice and her pregnancy it's an essential point of topic to her bio. It should be revised or expanded but not removed. comment added by Cohen2011 ( talk • contribs) 20:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I removed the memoir backstory of her sexual story until the wording can be agreed on. I feel it needs to be added under the subcategory. In some form.-- Cohen2011 ( talk) 20:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
And yes, she's aware that the title is ironic.
As we reported earlier today, for her very first outing on ABC's dance competition series "Dancing with the Stars," Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and America's Most Famous Unwed Teen Mom, will do the Cha Cha to "Mama Told Me (Not To Come)."[Insert your double entendre joke here.]
Clearly hoping to capitalise on the family's controversial time in the spotlight, she said: 'I've always been close to my mum growing up but sometimes I haven't and this song plays on that.'
And yes, she's aware that the title is ironic.
As we reported earlier today, for her very first outing on ABC's dance competition series "Dancing with the Stars," Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and America's Most Famous Unwed Teen Mom, will do the Cha Cha to "Mama Told Me (Not To Come)."[Insert your double entendre joke here.]
Clearly hoping to capitalise on the family's controversial time in the spotlight, she said: 'I've always been close to my mum growing up but sometimes I haven't and this song plays on that.'
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I was hoping to do a section or sub-section for Bristol or the controversy on Sarah Palin but I am not inclined to write this up starting from scratch. The stuff in history of this article is essentially useless, Anybody have any drafts? Anyone want to take a crack at it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.177.202 ( talk) 21:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no separate entry for BRISTOL Palin ???
Why are searches for her name redirected to her mother's page ???
BRISTOL Palin is major headline news.
I think BRISTOL Palin warrants a page of her own.
Or are we dealing with
Censorship in the USA? Censorship at Wikipedia?
Make a page if you want it....this is not locked Corpx ( talk) 05:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of creating the page... probably needs some work. Aussie.power ( talk) 10:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
For the sake of the discussion, I am hereby inserting a repeat of some of the contributions on another "Bristol palin" talk page, that was closed due to the incorrect capitalization of the subjects name, after having been heavily vandalized by one certain Dlohcierekim:
78.21.12.29 ( talk) 03:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
If the subject in question has enough significant coverage from reliable sources, then why cant an article be created? We have pages on a lot of youtube celebrities. I fail to see what age has to do with anything here. I dont see any problems having an article if its well sourced from reliable sources. Corpx ( talk) 05:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
That's a good point and I'd agree with you if she had kept a relatively low profile, but she and her fiance has been touring the campaign and have thrust themselves into the limelight. I'd guess that she's also going be covered by the media heavily till the elections and there is already plenty of significant coverage for a well sourced article. Corpx ( talk) 05:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm too lazy to do this, but I feel like others who want to put in the effort should be able to do so. In addition to the pregnancy, she has also become a hot topic about teen marriage. Is Mary Cheney known for anything other than being the gay daughter of a VP? What about Barbara Pierce Bush? Corpx ( talk) 05:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
There's no policy giving automatic notability to wifes/kids of politicians in power. The bar should be whether or not the person passes WP:N, and I believe this girl does. Also, her mom is currently the sitting governor of Alaska. Corpx ( talk) 15:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the redirect should point to Sarah Palin#Family which is the correct section. I'd change it myself but alas, noone gave me such tools for that. So thanks for doing it for me ;-) So Why 13:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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Bristol Palin is protected - there was only one remotely quesionable edit!
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talk) 20:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC){{ editprotected}} The redirect is broken. Please fix redirect to be: Sarah Palin#Background and family life. -- 76.221.184.92 ( talk) 18:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
This article space is under probation, see Talk:Sarah_Palin/Article_probation.
Please discuss any changes to this article (or to the redirect and the editing protection) at Talk:Sarah Palin. See also Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED for some background. Gwen Gale ( talk) 14:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I say we ought to unprotect this redirect page, and allow editing of this article. Bristol's boyfriend, Levi Johnston, now has his own article, and now that Bristol has gone on a media blitz as part of her national campaign against teen pregnancy, it is time she got her own article. Dems on the move ( talk) 13:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
See the thread at RPP. Gwen Gale ( talk) 13:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Should we find one that is just of Bristol and doesn't show any minors? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 18:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Other options mostly have Levi
I could keep going... jbolden1517 Talk 18:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't trying to show you up. Sorry if I came off that way. jbolden1517 Talk 20:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
We should probably attribute that statement, since it's kinda self serving for the Candie's Foundation. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 04:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion either way. But it was misatributed (not said by the "Candies Foundation") and didn't make a lot of sense as written. I fixed earlier and attributed it. Again, don't really care, but as it stood it was both innacurate and unatributed (it needs at least the second thing to stay). Bali ultimate ( talk) 00:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
THere's some new user making this [4] edit without summaries. Have no idea if its accurate, have reverted a few times since it's absent sources. Even if wrong it's not a BLP violation, just, well, would like sources about something the accuracy of which is unclear. I'm leaving it alone for now and hopefully the editor will explain. Bali ultimate ( talk) 01:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Her full name is Bristol Sheeran Marie Palin. Not only is it listed on Todd Palin's page, but was also published in the May 2009 issue of People Magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cait g328 ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Go buy the magazine and then start doing your job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cait g328 ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
It actually appears in the June 1, 2009 edition on page 59 on lines 7 and 8. I was mistaken when I said May. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cait g328 ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I can confirm this. It is published in the magazine article. I'm sure the highlights of the article are not yet online, as it is a recent publication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanmenez ( talk • contribs) 15:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I removed the prod tag, this has sources on multiple events, the pregnancy and the abstinence advocate. Dont thin BLP1E applies here and there are enough sources about her and about what she has been involved in to merit an article. Nableezy ( talk) 06:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I think we should just point it at Candie's. That article doesn't have much, but it has some info, and I don't think anyone is going to be creating a great article on the foundation anytime soon, if ever. It would probably get merged into the main Candie's article, anyways. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 02:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The Candie's foundation accepts gifts. The shoe company does not. Which likely means (we would have to investigate) that the foundation is a separate financial entity. In particular it must have its own governing structure and file its own tax return. I doubt (though it is possible) that it is evn a wholly owned non-profit subsidiary; most likely the single relationship between the two is that the show company gives a lot of money to the foundation. This linking that people are doing strikes me as the height undue weight to the name. Candie's foundation needs its own page. You cannot treat bristol or other spokespeople actors/singers as if they had a legal relationship with the shoe company, they do not. This is classic WP:SYN, Bristol works for X, X gets money from Y therefore these is a connection between Bristol and Y. jbolden1517 Talk 11:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The discussion of "teen pregnancy" seems to ignore the fact that some teens are married, and that nobody argues that they should avoid having children. It is premarital, not teen, pregnancy that arouses condemnation. Unfree ( talk) 22:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure why Sarah Palin's template is at the foot of this article. Any comments? Centrepull ( talk) 09:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
This text was in the article:
The problem is Fox has reused that URL; the interview located at that page is now an interview with Al Gore.
I see three questions which require discussion and/or some research:
Rather than edit-war about the situation, I'd like to get discussion about it here. — C.Fred ( talk) 14:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and changed the text as indicated below:
If anybody is strongly enough opposed to this change that the want to revert and re-open discussion, I have no objections. — C.Fred ( talk) 00:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Do we have any RSes on the new consulting company Bristol founded? I know that right now this is just a wrapper for her work with Candie's but it might be worth tracking to see future developments. jbolden1517 Talk 14:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
OK I think I got sources let me know if there are any objections, including the TV show ____
I'm thinking of language like (refs inline for now ). Feel free to comment / revise.
In 2010 Palin formed BSMP a lobbying, public relations, and political consulting service. (3 refs with original documentation from state of Alaska [8] [9] [10]). While the initial focus will be working with Candie's foundation BSMP will expand more broadly for additional Bristol Palin customers. Early speculation that this is associated with a possible 2012 campaign for Sarah Palin has been plausibly denied [11] jbolden1517 Talk 19:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm looking at the latest reversions. The company is BSMP not Bristol Sheeran Marie Palin. The name may stand for Bristol Sheeran Marie Palin but that is not its name. As for LLC generally we don't care whether a company is an LLC, s-corp or c-corp on wikipedia when we name companies. Most states requires business in the United States has a tax identifier at the end of its legal name, that doesn't change the legal name. So for example the legal name of my company is Blue Lotus SIDC LLC but no one calls it that, it is called Blue Lotus SIDC. The Huffington post is quoting the Maddow show, why not just go with the more reliable source? jbolden1517 Talk 12:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Plausible denial has a specific meaning. Stating that suggestions that this new venture has something to do with mom's 2012 campaign has been "plausibly denied" does not make sense. It doesn't really mean that the denial is believable, more believable than unbelievable, or "should be believed". The terminology is usually used to mean that a plan leaves room for the culpablity of the actors to be denied. Using it here is confusing at best. -- Evb-wiki ( talk) 20:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) maybe I'm being dense. I don't see how you want the sentence to read. Sorry for not following. Could you give me the whole sentence the way you would want it to read? jbolden1517 Talk 02:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
All I am saying is that it's pretty useless to put "Bristol Palin clients" if we put "more clients" or "her clients", that's good enough. The entire article is dedicated to Bristol Palin already. I don't know why someone would have to say, "Bristol Palin clients". ★ Dasani★ 04:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh I see. Yeah go ahead and make the change, I'm fine with subbing out with a pronoun. jbolden1517 Talk 04:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
The introduction was awkward, "Daughter of Todd Palin and Sarah Palin". I changed it to "Todd and Sarah Palin". If any person had ever saw this page, they would most definitely know about Sarah. If they did not know about Sarah, there is a photo, over thirty sources, and a huge infobox on the bottom to sort this out. Jamie Lynn Spears and Paris Hilton don't say "Daughter of ___ matriarch". ★ Dasani★ 06:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
SHouldn't it read she was planning to attend school in the contiguous US, not the continental. Alaska is on the same continent. (if that sentence warrants inclusion at all I'm not addessing here) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.48.235.186 ( talk) 13:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to say what the show is about? Looking at much more famous celebrities such as Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, and Natalie Portman, so many stars have had guest appearances on a TV show. Their respective Wikipedia articles simply state they "appeared on ___" or "did ___ on ___", never explaining what the show is about. That's why we have separate pages and we would italicize and link to those articles (them being the ones the famous people appeared on). If anybody wants to know, they can click on the link and read the article of the TV show for further information. Yesterday I had attempted to reword this, then I looked around shortly after editing it and realized that not only was the new wording confusing, it was unnecessary.
I also added more to the infobox to bring it up to a better quality of a Wikipedia article. ★ Dasani★ 22:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
← I have to agree with MagnificentCK here - the subject matter of the series is exactly why she was on it, and including those few words makes that clear. Tvoz/ talk 02:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Bristol is now engaged to Levi Johnston (again). Although few sources are reporting it now, AOL and USA Today have just reported it and more will be expected soon. I will refrain from editing the article for now, but I expect it will be able to be updated fairly soon. 148.129.129.154 ( talk) 12:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
To be honest, why is the bit about Bristol being seen in the club important? We know nothing of their leisurely lives. Perhaps McCain and her mother drank, too, or her brother does it quite often. Levi seems like a likely candidate. So many celebrities drink and party that it's difficult to name one that doesn't. The only notable fact about this remains that she was 19 years old, while the minimum expected age to be in an American club is 21. Removed that tidbit. 75.5.13.199 ( talk) 04:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I think it has been removed. I don't see it anywhere. Whitestorm13 ( talk) 02:14, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I saw some addition of Bristol formerly dating Ben Barber was deleted. Not sure its the sort of thing that needs to be in the article, but figured I would note here. The gossip story, at least, is that Bristol was "living" with Barber until very shortly before she got back together with Levi, and now Barber is working on the North Slope (considered a good job). Like everything surrounding SP, we need to think before adding it.-- Milowent ( talk) 14:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I really do not think this is true. I think everybody would have heard about it, if it was true. Whitestorm13 ( talk) 01:51, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
http://www.ktva.com/oldlocal/ci_15669059?source=rss
158.145.224.33 (
talk) 23:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous IP (or several) continuously feel the impulse to add that Bristol and Levi's child was born on December 27, 2008. Why is his birth month and day so important? We already know that his uncle was born earlier in the year. If you're going to add his entire birthday, we might as well do the same for Bristol's parents and siblings. ★ Dasani★ 20:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
On her page, under her picture, caption says "Bristol holding baby brother, August." Her baby brother's name is Trig, and her baby is named Tripp. So, why does it say August? I don't know where that came from, but it needs to be fixed. Whitestorm13 ( talk) 02:52, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh my goodness. I completely misread that, but thanks for clearing that up anyways. :) Also, I was wondering why you removed my edit about her going far in Dancing With the Stars? I just wanted to point out that America has proven that they liked her, by giving her so many votes, even though she was barely famous before Dancing With the Stars. I was wondering, because I really think it should be there. Kind Regards, Whitestorm13 ( talk) 03:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
The "headshot" that has been inserted into the infobox seems to be just an extreme blowup/closeup of another shot - and the resolution is very bad. I think we should stick with the photo we had been using, of Palin holding her brother at the convention, until we find something better. The closeup is fuzzy and a poor shot for an encyclopedia article. Anyone else? Tvoz/ talk 20:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is the article semi protected for six months? I have not seen enough recent vandalism to justify semi protection for such a long period. Victor Victoria ( talk) 05:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
← More succinctly: I think waiting for DWTS to end is the way to go, and see what that brings in terms of the potential for vandalism and evaluate then. There's no need to change the time period now. Tvoz/ talk 18:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is a citation needed that she appeared on the show? The show is the citation. Also, what is the opposition to saying that it is her mother's show? Victor Victoria ( talk) 06:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
According to WP:Lead:
The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any notable controversies
. The lead as it is, is clearly too short and needs more detail. -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 10:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
It currently reads
When Sarah Palin was chosen as John McCain's vice presidential running mate, in late August 2008, his advisers already knew of Bristol's pregnancy, which they believed would be a political liability .... Speaking about Palin's pregnancy, political commentator Michelle Malkin said, "One ticket sees this as a blessing. The other sees it as a curse. Could the core differences between the two be any starker?"[16]
Ok, so McCain's advisers thought Bristol's pregnancy would be a political liability -- then Malkin is quoted as saying "One ticket sees this as a blessing. The other sees it as a curse." This is very confusing, and could easily be interpreted as saying that Bristol's pregnancy was a blessing to Democrats, especially since this article later says that McCain's advisers thought it was a liability and later thought that if Bristol got married, it would boost McCain's waning popularity. However, Malkin likely meant her blessing-curse statement as a pro-life declaration of philosophical differences between the parties since she mentions "core differences". So Malkin meant the opposite - that Republicans believe all babies are a blessing and Democrats think they are a curse. Malkin's musings in and of themselves do have a grain of truth, but they are greatly exaggerated, and they confuse the meaning of the other sourced statements that are in the article. In addition, what Malkin personally thinks about Democrat or Republican core beliefs is irrelevant to this bio of Bristol who is not even a politician. Finally, Malkin's opinion here is so oversimplified that also misrepresents Republicans' as holding a core belief blessing premarital teen sex and single parenthood. Therefore, I am removing Malkin's opinion about Party core beliefs, and here is the diff -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 11:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Here is a passage that needs to be removed:
Several days later, it was reported that Britney Spears's sister, teen mother Jamie Lynn Spears, had sent her burp cloths as a gift.[17][18] Comparisons between the two cases were made.[19][20][21]
First, it is not even an apt comparison. The famous relatives in question had different professions. One was a celebrity singer-dancer-entertainer, the other a politician and officeholder. Britanny was not seen as responsible for her sister's upbringing, (at least not by any reasonable person); whereas some critics could fault Bristol's mother, Sarah. Not only is the comparison illogical but baby gifts received are perhaps as trivial as trivia can be in a bio, which is supposed to be a summary of a notable person's life store. Here is the diff of the change I made. -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 12:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Did she not attend college anywhere? I assumed she did, but it is nowhere on her article. 75.221.76.166 ( talk) 02:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
There is an editor who thinks that Palin's failure to turn in her absentee ballot fails some sort of a " so what" test because her mother was not on the ballot. Although the mother was not on the ballot, her mother was still very active in the election. I don't mind removing this sentence, so long that its removal does not give ground to removing the entire story about the lack of voting due to rehearsals. Victor Victoria ( talk) 18:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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184.59.23.225 ( talk) 23:23, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
The Willow Palin Facebook homophobia exchange shall be considered excluded from Wikipedia on the basis of an editorial decision of non-notability by community consensus [12] and its inclusion shall be considered a violation of Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons content policy. Victor_Victoria ( talk · contribs), 184.59.23.225 ( talk · contribs) and any other involved parties are put on notice that, in the event of reinserting content describing this event, they may be banned on sight from editing articles related to the Palin family ( Sarah Palin, Bristol Palin, and any other future articles) under the terms of the existing article probation; any uninvolved editor may remove the inserted content. -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 14:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
"where she was unexpectedly one of the final three contestants"
i mean really? unexpectedly should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.153.15 ( talk) 05:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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formatted | Palin's first dance was a cha-cha to Three Dog Night's version of " Mama Told Me Not to Come", seen by whom? as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin. [6] | Palin's first dance was a cha-cha to Three Dog Night's version of " Mama Told Me Not To Come", widely seen [7] [8] [9] as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin. [10] |
unformatted | Palin's first dance was a [[cha-cha]] to [[Three Dog Night]]'s version of "[[Mama Told Me Not to Come]]", seen{{By whom}} as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin.<ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20017097-10391698.html|title=Bristol Palin's "Dancing With The Stars" Debut Pokes Fun at Mom|last=Lee|first=Joyce| date=21 September 2010|publisher=CBS News|accessdate=3 November 2010}}</ref> | Palin's first dance was a [[cha-cha]] to [[Three Dog Night]]'s version of "[[Mama Told Me Not To Come]]", widely seen<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/bristol-palin-on-dwts-mama-told-me/|title=Bristol Ignores 'Mama' on 'DWTS'|quote="And yes, she's aware that the title is ironic."}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2010/09/bristol-palins-dancing-with-th.html|title=Bristol Palin's Dancing With the Stars song: "Mama Told Me (Not to Come)"|quote="As we reported earlier today, for her very first outing on ABC's dance competition series "Dancing with the Stars," Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and America's Most Famous Unwed Teen Mom, will do the Cha Cha to "Mama Told Me (Not To Come)."[Insert your double entendre joke here.]" }}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1314260/Bristol-Palin-survives-Dancing-With-The-Stars-racy-routine-Mama-Told-Me-Not-To-Come.htm|title=Bristol Palin survives Dancing With The Stars with racy routine to Mama Told Me Not To Come|quote="Clearly hoping to capitalise on the family's controversial time in the spotlight, she said: ‘I’ve always been close to my mum growing up but sometimes I haven’t and this song plays on that.’"}}</ref> as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin.<ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20017097-10391698.html|title=Bristol Palin's "Dancing With The Stars" Debut Pokes Fun at Mom|last=Lee|first=Joyce| date=21 September 2010|publisher=CBS News|accessdate=3 November 2010}}</ref> |
184.59.23.225 ( talk) 21:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
The song Mama Told Me Not to Come was written by Randy Newman. Three Dog Night only did a cover of it. This needs to be fixed in the article. Lngt1124 ( talk) 22:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Victor Victoria ( talk · contribs) has repeatedly added details about the birthdate of Bristol Palin's son. WP:BLP#Privacy of personal information and using primary sources (otherwise known as WP:DOB) is clear about this - "...where the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year." Bristol Palin herself may be slightly above the notability line, her son is not notable at all. Removing per the BLP policy. Kelly hi! 21:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
New Facebook post directly addressing criticisms. Any ideas on how to incorporate? Kelly hi! 05:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The introduction said she made it to the finals despite low scores.
I know 80% of the world hates the Palins...you betcha. But scores do not determine advancement in that game show. It is a combination of votes and scores. So no nasty commentary in the intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.23.136 ( talk) 8:58 pm, 17 November 2010, Wednesday (18 days ago) (UTC−6)
I think it's ridiculous that how she placed in a television program is in the introduction. Please remove it from the introduction and leave that portion to the section dedicated to it, it doesn't need to be there. (Mention that she was on the show is fine, but to go into finer details isn't necessary in that part of the article.) Locke2558 ( talk) 17:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Willow is mentioned at the end, apparently making a homophobic slur on facebook. Willow is a minor and should not be included in this, as she is also not a public figure in any way other than being the daughter of a politician / public figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.252.25.159 ( talk) 16:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
<undent>I do see the point made above - why would a comment by Willow Palin be relevant to an article about Bristol Palin? Kelly hi! 22:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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During the premiere of "Sarah Palin's Alaska", Bristol posted defensive comments about the show on the Facebook page of a schoolmate of her sister who had criticized the show. Some of Bristol's comments included salty language for which she later apologized. [11] | During the premiere of "Sarah Palin's Alaska", Bristol posted a number of comments on the Facebook page of a boy named Tre, who went to school with her sister Willow. Some of Bristol's comments included "You're running your mouth just to talk shit" and "Talking shit 'cause you have nothing else going for you." Palin posted those comments in response to Tre's comment saying "Sarah Palin's Alaska, is failing so hard right now." Bristol later apologized on behalf of herself and her sister, Willow, who posted a homophobic slur on the same Facebook page. |
Victor Victoria restored the undue emphasis, and non neutral point of view , and material that is simply not notable. This is all in violation of the BLP policies I have discussed and more. Mentioning Willow is coatracking, pure and simple. The consensus on the BLP notice board and here is that much of this is not worth mentioning at all. Last but not least, the actual quotes are unsourced. Per WP:BLP, contentious, unsourced material should be removed immediately. I am again introducing my edits which provide some neutrality. The burden is on the person restoring material that is in violation of BLP policies -- namely Victor/Victoria or anyone else who wants to re-add this material, and they have clearly not met it so far. I can't believe this is a controversy and I question what the motive is for adding back material that violates so many policies as well as the common sense concept of what is notable in an encyclopedia bio. -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 14:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
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184.59.23.225 ( talk) 02:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
As the original author who edited this portion as well as adding in the article, I failed to see a strong argument why this should be excluded, as it is only one person's opinion to exclude the referenced fact because they personally felt it is trivial. I would like to request to have Victor Victoria's suggested revert to be placed back in. Ptahcha ( talk) 03:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
At WP:ANI#Sarah Palin community article probation. Kelly hi! 03:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed the names and years of birth of Bristol's 4 siblings for a number of reasons: this is an article about her, not her brothers and sisters, the "relatives" field is usually only used for notable relatives per Template:Infobox person and none of the siblings are even notable enough for their own article; BLP policies favor privacy of information regarding minors over unnecessary disclosure or gratuitous repetition, and 3 of the 4 are minors; BLP policy and custom result in most articles not even including the names and DOBs of a notable person's own children, unless the children are notable in their own right. Finally, and the information I have removed (a listing of the names and dates of births of Bristol's siblings) is found in the Sarah Palin article which is wikiliked right in the info box of this article, so nothing is lost or buried or hidden or whitewashed or whatever-you-want-to-call-it - in fact, the information is found in its most logical place, the article on their mother, Sarah Palin's. Please bear in mind that I have made several arguments here. If you are going to dispute this innocuous and policy compliant article improvement, please refute or answer all of my arguments before restoring the names and years of birth of Bristol's 4 non notable relatives.-Best regards- -- KeptSouth ( talk) 08:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Is this really what wikipedia is for? Really? 24.29.14.54 ( talk) 15:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC) Wikipedia is about capturing facts. Don't blame the contributors - blame the subject. Ptahcha ( talk) 03:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
The town of Chena, very near Fairbanks, disappeared in the early twentieth century, leaving no ice museum. There is an ice museum at Chena Hot Springs, about 60 miles from Fairbanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.195.38 ( talk) 18:38, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I've added and sourced the discussion and controversy over her jaw surgery. The surgery has dramatically changed her appearance to the point she looks like a different person. It's such a drastic change and she publicly claims it was not plastic surgery. Many stories out there are quoting Plastic surgeons to say otherwise. I'm using jennifer grey as a reference (here in discussion) as to the relevance of the addition. It her public claims aren't true (if she had plastic surgery to look different), her credibility would change with the misstatement. -- Cohen2011 ( talk) 02:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
It is a valid entry as it drastically changed her face, she looks like a different person. Whether or not it was a plastic surgery for looks or a valid medical issue fixed, is not the point. I sourced the topic well. You instead mock rather than explain a valid reason for the removal. Its been moved to Early life section rather than a topical point header. Please show respect to your other wikipedia editors in the future. If you have a valid point of change on this, please voice it here prior to editing. Thank you kindly. -- Cohen2011 ( talk) 05:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I revised the jaw surgery to remove any hint of sensationalism or tabloid fodder. It is a valid entry as she doesn't appear to look like the person in the photo any longer. Not trying to post news updates either, this happened earlier this year and she will always look different because of it, it's most valid for example, than the real estate purchase she made and price paid which hasn't raised any contention. Thank you engaging your concerns with me. -- Cohen2011 ( talk) 20:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
No, I just addressed that in the new section of the memoir. This person is directly known for her talks about pregnancy and sexual practice. She spokesperson who is paid to talk about this very subject. The notation is being drawn from her official memoir. Please revise language as you see fit, but leave it in. -- Cohen2011 ( talk) 20:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
i posted some valid backstory which is direct from her 2011 memoir regarding her pregnancy. Since her career is based on her advice on sexual practice and her pregnancy it's an essential point of topic to her bio. It should be revised or expanded but not removed. comment added by Cohen2011 ( talk • contribs) 20:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I removed the memoir backstory of her sexual story until the wording can be agreed on. I feel it needs to be added under the subcategory. In some form.-- Cohen2011 ( talk) 20:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
And yes, she's aware that the title is ironic.
As we reported earlier today, for her very first outing on ABC's dance competition series "Dancing with the Stars," Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and America's Most Famous Unwed Teen Mom, will do the Cha Cha to "Mama Told Me (Not To Come)."[Insert your double entendre joke here.]
Clearly hoping to capitalise on the family's controversial time in the spotlight, she said: 'I've always been close to my mum growing up but sometimes I haven't and this song plays on that.'
And yes, she's aware that the title is ironic.
As we reported earlier today, for her very first outing on ABC's dance competition series "Dancing with the Stars," Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and America's Most Famous Unwed Teen Mom, will do the Cha Cha to "Mama Told Me (Not To Come)."[Insert your double entendre joke here.]
Clearly hoping to capitalise on the family's controversial time in the spotlight, she said: 'I've always been close to my mum growing up but sometimes I haven't and this song plays on that.'
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