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For a few months, we've had a stable version of the article, where the opening sentence read, "Brian Rose (born May 1971) is an American-born podcaster based in London whose programming was most notable for the promoting the conspiracy theories of David Icke." The part from "whose programming..." onwards was recently removed by CNMall41. I tried restoring with an amended version (omitting "most"). CNMall41 removed that too.
I contest that the lead should reflect the content of the article and why Rose is notable, as per WP:LEAD. The largest parts of the article are about Rose's COVID-19 stances and the Icke interviews. My evidence for this is the article itself. There are 16 unique citations in the article (12 to secondary sources demonstrating notability). These are about Icke and COVID-19 stuff (6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17), his mayoral campaign (1=4=5, 3, 15, 18), or other (2, 14). So, 10/16 citations are about COVID stuff. 9/12 secondary sources are about COVID stuff.
The article consists of 6 longer paragraphs and 2 short paragraphs. The longest is about his Icke interviews. The second longest is about how the Icke interviews and other COVID stances impacted his mayoral campaign.
If we look at the article text (ignoring headers), it has 422 words. 169 words are on Icke/COVID stuff. 69 words are on politics. 62 words are on London Real more generally. And there's 122 words on everything else.
The largest parts of this article are about Icke/COVID. The second largest parts are about his mayoral campaign. The current lead CNMall41 wants mentions neither of these and is just about his podcasting. This makes no sense to me. I think the lead should revert to something like its last stable form + have a mention of his 2021 mayoral campaign. What do others think? Bondegezou ( talk) 11:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
It's been a few weeks and we've had no further comment, so that's 3 editors is favour of the version mentioning Icke and just 1 against. That meets WP:CONSENSUS requirements. I will go edit the lead now. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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For a few months, we've had a stable version of the article, where the opening sentence read, "Brian Rose (born May 1971) is an American-born podcaster based in London whose programming was most notable for the promoting the conspiracy theories of David Icke." The part from "whose programming..." onwards was recently removed by CNMall41. I tried restoring with an amended version (omitting "most"). CNMall41 removed that too.
I contest that the lead should reflect the content of the article and why Rose is notable, as per WP:LEAD. The largest parts of the article are about Rose's COVID-19 stances and the Icke interviews. My evidence for this is the article itself. There are 16 unique citations in the article (12 to secondary sources demonstrating notability). These are about Icke and COVID-19 stuff (6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17), his mayoral campaign (1=4=5, 3, 15, 18), or other (2, 14). So, 10/16 citations are about COVID stuff. 9/12 secondary sources are about COVID stuff.
The article consists of 6 longer paragraphs and 2 short paragraphs. The longest is about his Icke interviews. The second longest is about how the Icke interviews and other COVID stances impacted his mayoral campaign.
If we look at the article text (ignoring headers), it has 422 words. 169 words are on Icke/COVID stuff. 69 words are on politics. 62 words are on London Real more generally. And there's 122 words on everything else.
The largest parts of this article are about Icke/COVID. The second largest parts are about his mayoral campaign. The current lead CNMall41 wants mentions neither of these and is just about his podcasting. This makes no sense to me. I think the lead should revert to something like its last stable form + have a mention of his 2021 mayoral campaign. What do others think? Bondegezou ( talk) 11:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
It's been a few weeks and we've had no further comment, so that's 3 editors is favour of the version mentioning Icke and just 1 against. That meets WP:CONSENSUS requirements. I will go edit the lead now. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)