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Merge Conscious Connected Breathing to breathwork because most of that is already here. And CCB is just the basic technique of some forms of breathwork. Merkinsmum 12:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sticky Parkin ( talk • contribs) 22:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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Jytdog (
talk) 23:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
If some of these books are used as sources for the text, they need to be put next to the specific lines of text in [] brackets, then they will show up as references. And they need to use proper wikipedia referencing code so they show in the references section. A 'further reading' section is not in most articles unless it's a couple of whole books. This list was called 'references' in the CCB article but they're not references unless they are mentioned next to the relevant bit so people know what they are sources for.
WP:CITE explains how to do all this. This further reading/sources section needs to be checked to see if the type of source is ok, (not a fringe spiritual journal, ideally.) I've removed those that were from journals already listed in the links section. |Sorry if that seems wrong, merging is tiring lol:). If you decide to reinstate all these, please just alter that bit rather than simply revert me as my edit was a big cleanup from a merge. I look forward to more references being properly added for this article, and will try myself too.
Merkinsmum 22:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Criticism: Last part of the first paragraph in "criticism" (starts with "However,...") has been removed due to not being critical at all but explaining why the criticism is inadequate. Should this part be brought back in the article, sources are necessary.
Response: I suggest to move the content of this area to "Criticism" creating a "critique-response" style. Also. Proper citations needed. Nitrobga ( talk) 08:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm moving this list from the article. Many of these look unreliable for biomedical content and it's not clear how (if at all) they relate to the article body. If anybody can shed any light on this please say so!
-- Alexbrn talk| contribs| COI 14:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
The article also mentions yoga and T'ai chi, among other Eastern traditions that include a focus on the breath, which pre-date the New Age movement by centuries. Are these also covered by common usage of the term "breathwork"? Maybe not, and the structure of that section seems to imply they're separate, but it's not clear.
If they're included, should the introductory line say something like "New Age and Eastern practices"? That's vague, though.
A short section on usage of the term would be useful and would help classify this. When/where did it originate? (I've been into yoga & meditation for years but hadn't heard the term until it started popping up in different places in the past year.)
Thanks -- Chriswaterguy talk 23:35, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Did a quick Google search on evidence breathwork - these were hits number 1 & 3. Unsure of their suitability. No further time to work on this, so I'm sharing them here:
Breathwork: An Additional Treatment Option for Depression and Anxiety? - Original paper published in The Journal of Contemporary Psychotherapy (2011)
Also, this looks very interesting, but I don't know that it's a reliable source: A Clinical Report of Holotropic Breathwork in 11,000 Psychiatric Inpatients in a Community Hospital Setting
-- Chriswaterguy talk 00:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
I find this entire article baffling. As far as I can tell, the editors have neither knowledge nor experience with any form or breathwork, or any of its historical antecedents, and have removed all content from anyone who does, bringing nothing to the article but a dismissal of anything that doesn't fit into a narrow scientific materialistic perspective. I would be happy to contribute to an article that actually says something about breathwork. Rdlong03 ( talk) 23:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
I have an interest in breath control and just wondered if you had come across these, certainly not conclusive, studies about Yoga. Breath control is fundamental to the practice. Here are the papers:
http://www.onlinejcf.com/article/S1071-9164(07)01166-9/abstract
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paula_Pullen/publication/232109170_Yoga_Therapy_Improves_Markers_of_Inflammation_and_Overall_Well-Being_in_African-American_Patients_With_Chronic_Heart_Failure/links/555d2d8e08ae9963a11228e1.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatIsTruth25 ( talk • contribs) 19:47, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
This section is pretty weak. Effectiveness needs to address the lead to the article, i.e. that "conscious control of breathing is meant to influence mental, emotional and physical state – sometimes to claimed therapeutic effect." Emphasis on sometimes. The ability of breathwork to influence physical state, for example, is not in dispute AFAICT. See: Tummo, where studies have shown that practitioners can increase body heat by a substantial amount. See also Wim_Hof who uses Tummo perform all sorts of cold-related stunts that would kill the average person. 24.90.168.157 ( talk) 13:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
this was written by someone just with an axe to grind; it's not really an encyclopedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiltonhall ( talk • contribs) 08:17, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
This article says that breathwork is useless, and defines it as a pseudoscience. However, some studies indicate its efficacy for reducing symptoms of depression and anxiety. [1] [2]
References
97.82.216.250 ( talk) 19:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
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This page is total Newspeak -- written by ignorant and bigoted people. It does not have any sources that are related to the page. The page should be deleted and replaced by an authoritative practitioner of breathwork. Dg4corners ( talk) 08:41, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
This source is primary research in a fringe journal (not in PUBMED let alone indexed by MEDLINE). It is unreliable, especially for claims of therapeutic effectiveness and cannot be used here. Alexbrn ( talk) 05:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Going to keep adding these sources as you are a highly biased individual who should not be editing pages that you know nothing about. Darwin3881 ( talk) 01:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Darwin3881: - now you're whitewashing the article and adding information from an unreliable source (i.e. published by Frontiers Media), and from a Cochrane review which makes zero mention of "breathwork", so is WP:SYNTHESIS. Alexbrn ( talk) 07:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
What about Wim Hof? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.84.146 ( talk) 18:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Breathwork is a practice that intakes higher levels of oxygen than what normal homeostasis efforts produce. Higher levels of oxygen have many proven health impacts other than promoting relaxation, most notably sustaining human life and improved stamina. Breathwork also focusses on nasal breathing to incorporate the filtration and absorption anatomy of human nasal paths. Breathwork strengthens the nasal paths and lungs which makes them more capable of dealing with respiratory viruses and infections. I could go on and on about the health benefits of breathwork, which is why I recommend editing the claim about having "no proven positive health impacts". Joshdagostino2020 ( talk) 19:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Is 4-7-8 breathing the same as breathwork? SyntaxPedant ( talk) 01:44, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm proposing a merge of Conscious_breathing (which is largely overlap) and Rebirthing_(breathwork) which is a very short page with few sources, perhaps not notable enough for its own page. -- Karinpower ( talk) 04:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Given breathwork is pretty widely used and recommended for anxiety and relaxation by medical professionals (among others), I do not find the inclusion of this article in the "Alternative Medicine" category warranted. DarrellWinkler ( talk) 19:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I note that the article does not have any text or citations establishing the alternative medicine category. Supporting text and citation to this effect should be added, or the category is unsupported and should be removed. Same goes for the New Age practices category. We all know its both, but the reader may not so the article has to state it explicitly. Skyerise ( talk) 20:30, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Ill come back to my original intent with this article that the way its presented (currently) leaves the reader with the impression its all bunk. Sure, some of the claims are bunk but on the whole this is a well recognized therapeutic tool:
The article not reflecting any of this (and there are so many sources) and emphasizing only on the wilder claims is not right and the reflexive knee jerk reaction to making improvements on the article is quite disturbing. DarrellWinkler ( talk) 15:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Merge Conscious Connected Breathing to breathwork because most of that is already here. And CCB is just the basic technique of some forms of breathwork. Merkinsmum 12:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sticky Parkin ( talk • contribs) 22:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
This comment was copied here as part of the Merge discussed above by Sticky Parkin in
this dif
Jytdog (
talk) 23:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
If some of these books are used as sources for the text, they need to be put next to the specific lines of text in [] brackets, then they will show up as references. And they need to use proper wikipedia referencing code so they show in the references section. A 'further reading' section is not in most articles unless it's a couple of whole books. This list was called 'references' in the CCB article but they're not references unless they are mentioned next to the relevant bit so people know what they are sources for.
WP:CITE explains how to do all this. This further reading/sources section needs to be checked to see if the type of source is ok, (not a fringe spiritual journal, ideally.) I've removed those that were from journals already listed in the links section. |Sorry if that seems wrong, merging is tiring lol:). If you decide to reinstate all these, please just alter that bit rather than simply revert me as my edit was a big cleanup from a merge. I look forward to more references being properly added for this article, and will try myself too.
Merkinsmum 22:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Criticism: Last part of the first paragraph in "criticism" (starts with "However,...") has been removed due to not being critical at all but explaining why the criticism is inadequate. Should this part be brought back in the article, sources are necessary.
Response: I suggest to move the content of this area to "Criticism" creating a "critique-response" style. Also. Proper citations needed. Nitrobga ( talk) 08:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm moving this list from the article. Many of these look unreliable for biomedical content and it's not clear how (if at all) they relate to the article body. If anybody can shed any light on this please say so!
-- Alexbrn talk| contribs| COI 14:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
The article also mentions yoga and T'ai chi, among other Eastern traditions that include a focus on the breath, which pre-date the New Age movement by centuries. Are these also covered by common usage of the term "breathwork"? Maybe not, and the structure of that section seems to imply they're separate, but it's not clear.
If they're included, should the introductory line say something like "New Age and Eastern practices"? That's vague, though.
A short section on usage of the term would be useful and would help classify this. When/where did it originate? (I've been into yoga & meditation for years but hadn't heard the term until it started popping up in different places in the past year.)
Thanks -- Chriswaterguy talk 23:35, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Did a quick Google search on evidence breathwork - these were hits number 1 & 3. Unsure of their suitability. No further time to work on this, so I'm sharing them here:
Breathwork: An Additional Treatment Option for Depression and Anxiety? - Original paper published in The Journal of Contemporary Psychotherapy (2011)
Also, this looks very interesting, but I don't know that it's a reliable source: A Clinical Report of Holotropic Breathwork in 11,000 Psychiatric Inpatients in a Community Hospital Setting
-- Chriswaterguy talk 00:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
I find this entire article baffling. As far as I can tell, the editors have neither knowledge nor experience with any form or breathwork, or any of its historical antecedents, and have removed all content from anyone who does, bringing nothing to the article but a dismissal of anything that doesn't fit into a narrow scientific materialistic perspective. I would be happy to contribute to an article that actually says something about breathwork. Rdlong03 ( talk) 23:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
I have an interest in breath control and just wondered if you had come across these, certainly not conclusive, studies about Yoga. Breath control is fundamental to the practice. Here are the papers:
http://www.onlinejcf.com/article/S1071-9164(07)01166-9/abstract
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paula_Pullen/publication/232109170_Yoga_Therapy_Improves_Markers_of_Inflammation_and_Overall_Well-Being_in_African-American_Patients_With_Chronic_Heart_Failure/links/555d2d8e08ae9963a11228e1.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatIsTruth25 ( talk • contribs) 19:47, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
This section is pretty weak. Effectiveness needs to address the lead to the article, i.e. that "conscious control of breathing is meant to influence mental, emotional and physical state – sometimes to claimed therapeutic effect." Emphasis on sometimes. The ability of breathwork to influence physical state, for example, is not in dispute AFAICT. See: Tummo, where studies have shown that practitioners can increase body heat by a substantial amount. See also Wim_Hof who uses Tummo perform all sorts of cold-related stunts that would kill the average person. 24.90.168.157 ( talk) 13:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
this was written by someone just with an axe to grind; it's not really an encyclopedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiltonhall ( talk • contribs) 08:17, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
This article says that breathwork is useless, and defines it as a pseudoscience. However, some studies indicate its efficacy for reducing symptoms of depression and anxiety. [1] [2]
References
97.82.216.250 ( talk) 19:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Breathwork has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
This page is total Newspeak -- written by ignorant and bigoted people. It does not have any sources that are related to the page. The page should be deleted and replaced by an authoritative practitioner of breathwork. Dg4corners ( talk) 08:41, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
This source is primary research in a fringe journal (not in PUBMED let alone indexed by MEDLINE). It is unreliable, especially for claims of therapeutic effectiveness and cannot be used here. Alexbrn ( talk) 05:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Going to keep adding these sources as you are a highly biased individual who should not be editing pages that you know nothing about. Darwin3881 ( talk) 01:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Darwin3881: - now you're whitewashing the article and adding information from an unreliable source (i.e. published by Frontiers Media), and from a Cochrane review which makes zero mention of "breathwork", so is WP:SYNTHESIS. Alexbrn ( talk) 07:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
What about Wim Hof? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.84.146 ( talk) 18:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Breathwork is a practice that intakes higher levels of oxygen than what normal homeostasis efforts produce. Higher levels of oxygen have many proven health impacts other than promoting relaxation, most notably sustaining human life and improved stamina. Breathwork also focusses on nasal breathing to incorporate the filtration and absorption anatomy of human nasal paths. Breathwork strengthens the nasal paths and lungs which makes them more capable of dealing with respiratory viruses and infections. I could go on and on about the health benefits of breathwork, which is why I recommend editing the claim about having "no proven positive health impacts". Joshdagostino2020 ( talk) 19:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Is 4-7-8 breathing the same as breathwork? SyntaxPedant ( talk) 01:44, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm proposing a merge of Conscious_breathing (which is largely overlap) and Rebirthing_(breathwork) which is a very short page with few sources, perhaps not notable enough for its own page. -- Karinpower ( talk) 04:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Given breathwork is pretty widely used and recommended for anxiety and relaxation by medical professionals (among others), I do not find the inclusion of this article in the "Alternative Medicine" category warranted. DarrellWinkler ( talk) 19:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I note that the article does not have any text or citations establishing the alternative medicine category. Supporting text and citation to this effect should be added, or the category is unsupported and should be removed. Same goes for the New Age practices category. We all know its both, but the reader may not so the article has to state it explicitly. Skyerise ( talk) 20:30, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Ill come back to my original intent with this article that the way its presented (currently) leaves the reader with the impression its all bunk. Sure, some of the claims are bunk but on the whole this is a well recognized therapeutic tool:
The article not reflecting any of this (and there are so many sources) and emphasizing only on the wilder claims is not right and the reflexive knee jerk reaction to making improvements on the article is quite disturbing. DarrellWinkler ( talk) 15:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)