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The Swedish article on the issue is actually better, for those of you who understand Swedish and want to translate.
There are also other things that could have been made better. Why do women wear bras is an important question to begin with, when bralessness is discussed. It is an obvious part of the answer that one of the purposes of bras is to hide the breasts in general and the nipples in particular. That is not so commonly mentioned and in this article not at all, except for the fact that the lack of coverage shows up as one of the main issues of bralessness. So, logically covering them up is one of the purposes of said bra.
Secondly, the article does not mention very much about bralessness outside of Western culture. Supposedly are there parts of the world where, unlike in Western countries, bralessness is and has always been the norm. The short story from Somalia gives a glimpse into this part of reality.
Third, the public discussion on bralessness has become closely connected to the question of visible nipples, like on the picture of Gisella Marengo. The issue of hiding nipples without using a bra is not thematized in this article.
Fourth, one reason for wearing a bra that has not been mentioned in this article is to support heavy breasts. Some women with heavy breasts report that wearing a bra reduces back pain. For them, the bra has as strong or even a stronger practical then aesthetical and cultural function. For them, bralessness can be outright uncomfortable.
Fifth, the article would become more encyclopedic by starting by defining the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.157.228.62 ( talk) 21:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't have time to add this into the article currently, so if someone has time now please feel free to incorporate the content. Much of this is already in the article, but this appears to be an additional source for many elements. TeenVogue - Why You Don't Have to Wear a Bra § Music Sorter § ( talk) 02:19, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
The term free-boobing has 50% the amount of returns as "bralessness" on google news. Per your logic this article should be deleted. Furthermore, that was merely an etymology, which isn't against guidelines. 92.6.177.254 ( talk) 13:40, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE states "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. ... Resist the temptation to overwhelm an article with images of marginal value simply because many images are available." With that in mind, I am planning to remove:
Cheers, gnu 57 04:09, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, so I'll request a fourth opinion. — btphelps ( talk to me) ( what I've done) 18:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Despite there being no formal WP procedure for a fourth opinion, I will invite another editor or two to add their input. The images illustrate the diversity of women who prefer to be braless, which certainly supports the content. If you disagree, you are free to create an RfC. — btphelps ( talk to me) ( what I've done) 16:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
I've removed some off-topic content. There is probably more. The subject of this article is women not wearing bras – not naked women, not women wearing bras with or without other clothing, not women being manhandled by police, etc. If you see off-topic information, please WP:Be bold and remove it. If you think it is good content for Wikipedia, then it can be WP:PRESERVEd at another article. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 03:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
What images are acceptable to use in this article, in No Bra Day, and on other pages related to bralessness? gnu 57 20:16, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Below are images that are or have been used in this article or in No Bra Day.
The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central.Image E conveys almost all relevant aspects clearly and centrally and most of the rest are neither necessary nor add any additional information. The only other image that may be relevant is Image G, as directly relevant to the Free the Nipple section. The remainder range from redundant to gratuitous. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:25, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
@ JPxG: A and C are creepershots, by all appearances taken without the knowledge of the subject. B is some private individual's vacation photo. D, F, H, I, and J come from anonymous Flickr accounts dedicated to uploading and exchanging pornography; the J account is particularly sketchy. E is an actress making a public appearance; G is a participant at an event promoting (semi-)nudity. gnu 57 00:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Now that the images have been sorted out, is it perhaps time to discuss the overall length and tone of this article? It seems over-inflated with minor detail and trivial claims, such as women preferring to take off their bras on coming home. It seems like a WP:BLUESKY statement yet there are three sentences about this minor factlet with eight total cites. This does not help readers in any discernible way. Can we quickly establish a consensus that there is a detail issue and the article needs to be pared down? Thanks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
There was a definite bralessness movement in the first half of the 1970s. The article misses addressing how the trend appeared and became a widely popular trend in the US --not just among fashion models or Hollywood figures-- or also in the Western world in that time, and then was gone by the 1980s. Dogru144 ( talk)
What muscles 99.240.77.17 ( talk) 17:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
The lead image of an actress photographed at a social function has a caption which states that she is "wearing see-through clothing".
This is highly debatable. The photograph shows the tell-tale signs of papparazzi flooding of the subject area with flash light so as to render non-seethru clothing artificially seethru. This is done (as it has been done for decades) for the singular purpose of highlighting the subject's nipples, in a very sleazy attempt to produce the most near-to-naked photograph possible of the subject at that moment. The goal, in terms of contextual takeaway for the viewer, is inappropriateness and titillation.
Make no mistake, the motivation behind this was always to sell the image to a male target audience. This does not look to me like a good representation of a libertarion, gender-equality act of dressing for oneself. Rather it looks to me much more like this: the inversion of it by the inclusion of an obvious pap snap.
It seems to me, in this one moment, the article is perhaps not addressing the age-old male exploitation of women in regard of this topic? 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:2D20:DE26:1E48:794F ( talk) 10:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
This seems to only reference western culture. It would be interesting to add any other information of other cultures that historically do not participate in this movement due to being established in their culture already and how they do not sexualize women's breasts. Mistikaa ( talk) 19:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment.
The Swedish article on the issue is actually better, for those of you who understand Swedish and want to translate.
There are also other things that could have been made better. Why do women wear bras is an important question to begin with, when bralessness is discussed. It is an obvious part of the answer that one of the purposes of bras is to hide the breasts in general and the nipples in particular. That is not so commonly mentioned and in this article not at all, except for the fact that the lack of coverage shows up as one of the main issues of bralessness. So, logically covering them up is one of the purposes of said bra.
Secondly, the article does not mention very much about bralessness outside of Western culture. Supposedly are there parts of the world where, unlike in Western countries, bralessness is and has always been the norm. The short story from Somalia gives a glimpse into this part of reality.
Third, the public discussion on bralessness has become closely connected to the question of visible nipples, like on the picture of Gisella Marengo. The issue of hiding nipples without using a bra is not thematized in this article.
Fourth, one reason for wearing a bra that has not been mentioned in this article is to support heavy breasts. Some women with heavy breasts report that wearing a bra reduces back pain. For them, the bra has as strong or even a stronger practical then aesthetical and cultural function. For them, bralessness can be outright uncomfortable.
Fifth, the article would become more encyclopedic by starting by defining the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.157.228.62 ( talk) 21:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't have time to add this into the article currently, so if someone has time now please feel free to incorporate the content. Much of this is already in the article, but this appears to be an additional source for many elements. TeenVogue - Why You Don't Have to Wear a Bra § Music Sorter § ( talk) 02:19, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
The term free-boobing has 50% the amount of returns as "bralessness" on google news. Per your logic this article should be deleted. Furthermore, that was merely an etymology, which isn't against guidelines. 92.6.177.254 ( talk) 13:40, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE states "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. ... Resist the temptation to overwhelm an article with images of marginal value simply because many images are available." With that in mind, I am planning to remove:
Cheers, gnu 57 04:09, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, so I'll request a fourth opinion. — btphelps ( talk to me) ( what I've done) 18:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Despite there being no formal WP procedure for a fourth opinion, I will invite another editor or two to add their input. The images illustrate the diversity of women who prefer to be braless, which certainly supports the content. If you disagree, you are free to create an RfC. — btphelps ( talk to me) ( what I've done) 16:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
I've removed some off-topic content. There is probably more. The subject of this article is women not wearing bras – not naked women, not women wearing bras with or without other clothing, not women being manhandled by police, etc. If you see off-topic information, please WP:Be bold and remove it. If you think it is good content for Wikipedia, then it can be WP:PRESERVEd at another article. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 03:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
What images are acceptable to use in this article, in No Bra Day, and on other pages related to bralessness? gnu 57 20:16, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Below are images that are or have been used in this article or in No Bra Day.
The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central.Image E conveys almost all relevant aspects clearly and centrally and most of the rest are neither necessary nor add any additional information. The only other image that may be relevant is Image G, as directly relevant to the Free the Nipple section. The remainder range from redundant to gratuitous. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:25, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
@ JPxG: A and C are creepershots, by all appearances taken without the knowledge of the subject. B is some private individual's vacation photo. D, F, H, I, and J come from anonymous Flickr accounts dedicated to uploading and exchanging pornography; the J account is particularly sketchy. E is an actress making a public appearance; G is a participant at an event promoting (semi-)nudity. gnu 57 00:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Now that the images have been sorted out, is it perhaps time to discuss the overall length and tone of this article? It seems over-inflated with minor detail and trivial claims, such as women preferring to take off their bras on coming home. It seems like a WP:BLUESKY statement yet there are three sentences about this minor factlet with eight total cites. This does not help readers in any discernible way. Can we quickly establish a consensus that there is a detail issue and the article needs to be pared down? Thanks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
There was a definite bralessness movement in the first half of the 1970s. The article misses addressing how the trend appeared and became a widely popular trend in the US --not just among fashion models or Hollywood figures-- or also in the Western world in that time, and then was gone by the 1980s. Dogru144 ( talk)
What muscles 99.240.77.17 ( talk) 17:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
The lead image of an actress photographed at a social function has a caption which states that she is "wearing see-through clothing".
This is highly debatable. The photograph shows the tell-tale signs of papparazzi flooding of the subject area with flash light so as to render non-seethru clothing artificially seethru. This is done (as it has been done for decades) for the singular purpose of highlighting the subject's nipples, in a very sleazy attempt to produce the most near-to-naked photograph possible of the subject at that moment. The goal, in terms of contextual takeaway for the viewer, is inappropriateness and titillation.
Make no mistake, the motivation behind this was always to sell the image to a male target audience. This does not look to me like a good representation of a libertarion, gender-equality act of dressing for oneself. Rather it looks to me much more like this: the inversion of it by the inclusion of an obvious pap snap.
It seems to me, in this one moment, the article is perhaps not addressing the age-old male exploitation of women in regard of this topic? 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:2D20:DE26:1E48:794F ( talk) 10:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
This seems to only reference western culture. It would be interesting to add any other information of other cultures that historically do not participate in this movement due to being established in their culture already and how they do not sexualize women's breasts. Mistikaa ( talk) 19:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)