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Regarding White Terror: "Although the King and his ministers opposed the violence, they were ineffectual in taking active steps to stop it."
If the King was so opposed, why did he not halt the violence? The logical inference is that he tacitly supported the elimination of his political enemies. To wit, means and opportunity (White Terror) are coupled with motive. Logically, Louis 18 condoned the violence. "The King and his ministers opposed the violence" does read into historical fact (White Terror happened) an assumed state of mind.
The French article about the flag of France ( fr:Drapeau de la France) says explicitely that the de facto national flag of the Kingdom of France was a simple white flag - the lily banner was only used in presence of members of the royal family except the King: When he was present, the white flag had been hoised. To cut a long story short: Please do not insert the lily banner (Pavillon royale de France.svg) anymore, it's the wrong flag here. Louis88 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.169.30.46 ( talk) 20:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. This article is factually inaccurate and contains a non-neutral point of view.
( Jack1755 ( talk) 13:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC))
I beg to differ, Sir. -- Jack1755 ( talk) 18:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is horribly skewed with not even a pretense of neutrality. The title should either be changed to "Napoleonic Propaganda," or else, the article needs a complete re-write. As a source of useful information, it is practically worthless. Lorzu ( talk) 05:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
despite what User:Louis88 had said about the White Flag being the Only national Flag of the Kingdom of France during the Restoration... the website of Flags of the World ( http://www.fotw.net/flags/fr_rest.html) suggests otherwise; and as a rule i suggest we follow the professionals in the FOTW and not the french wikipedia. -- Oren neu dag ( talk) 22:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
An IP keeps replacing insisting on replacing the Coat of Arms of the Bourbon Restoration (1815-30) with the Grand Royal Coat of Arms of France. I would think the coat of arms of the bourbon restoration is the correct on to use on this page, but I am no expert on heraldry. So what do others think?-- -- Work permit ( talk) 23:07, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 18:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Bourbon Restoration → Bourbon Restoration in France – To distinguish from Bourbon Restoration in Spain. Bourbon Restoration should be a disambiguation page, as it is in French and Spanish Wikipedias ( [1] [2]). Vpab15 ( talk) 17:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I changed the flag in the info-box to the pure white flag and this was recently reverted so I'm coming here after looking through the history and seeing a lot of back and forth about the matter. I have come to see if some conscious could be reached on the matter.
Looking through the history the flag seems to have been added first in this edit with the claim that "The plain white flag was almost never used. It usually had a coat of arms in it." However the article itself says: "Symbolic acts such as the replacement of the tricolore flag with the white flag..." and the cited source Tombs, Robert (1996). France 1814–1914. London: Longman. repeatedly talks of the "The Bourbon white flag" for example saying after the restoration that "The tricolour was replaced by the Bourbon white flag." (page 332).
In one of the edit summaries I saw there was a suggestion that we should look to French Wikipedia articles for an answer. Looking at fr:Restauration (histoire de France) they do use the flags but the three sources they give for this flag: [3], [4], [5] are all images showing a pure white flag. fr:Drapeau du royaume de France seems to say that the government during the during the restoration used a plain white flag, with the army using a flag with the royal coat of arms on but the population often used a range of unofficial white flags with different Fleur-de-lis designs on them (see fr:Drapeau du royaume de France#Le drapeau blanc dans la vie publique).
While the white flag might not have been the most popular with the public, I don't see the reason to believe the less official flag we're currently using would have been any more popular.
I think that we should use the pure white flag as it seems to be the flag that the authorities them selves used. Cakelot1 ( talk) 00:17, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
There are two types of papers that can be used as evidence:
One is a paper and the other is French Wikipedia.
There is also controversy. -- 211.197.54.36 ( talk) 08:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding White Terror: "Although the King and his ministers opposed the violence, they were ineffectual in taking active steps to stop it."
If the King was so opposed, why did he not halt the violence? The logical inference is that he tacitly supported the elimination of his political enemies. To wit, means and opportunity (White Terror) are coupled with motive. Logically, Louis 18 condoned the violence. "The King and his ministers opposed the violence" does read into historical fact (White Terror happened) an assumed state of mind.
The French article about the flag of France ( fr:Drapeau de la France) says explicitely that the de facto national flag of the Kingdom of France was a simple white flag - the lily banner was only used in presence of members of the royal family except the King: When he was present, the white flag had been hoised. To cut a long story short: Please do not insert the lily banner (Pavillon royale de France.svg) anymore, it's the wrong flag here. Louis88 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.169.30.46 ( talk) 20:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. This article is factually inaccurate and contains a non-neutral point of view.
( Jack1755 ( talk) 13:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC))
I beg to differ, Sir. -- Jack1755 ( talk) 18:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is horribly skewed with not even a pretense of neutrality. The title should either be changed to "Napoleonic Propaganda," or else, the article needs a complete re-write. As a source of useful information, it is practically worthless. Lorzu ( talk) 05:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
despite what User:Louis88 had said about the White Flag being the Only national Flag of the Kingdom of France during the Restoration... the website of Flags of the World ( http://www.fotw.net/flags/fr_rest.html) suggests otherwise; and as a rule i suggest we follow the professionals in the FOTW and not the french wikipedia. -- Oren neu dag ( talk) 22:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
An IP keeps replacing insisting on replacing the Coat of Arms of the Bourbon Restoration (1815-30) with the Grand Royal Coat of Arms of France. I would think the coat of arms of the bourbon restoration is the correct on to use on this page, but I am no expert on heraldry. So what do others think?-- -- Work permit ( talk) 23:07, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 18:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Bourbon Restoration → Bourbon Restoration in France – To distinguish from Bourbon Restoration in Spain. Bourbon Restoration should be a disambiguation page, as it is in French and Spanish Wikipedias ( [1] [2]). Vpab15 ( talk) 17:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I changed the flag in the info-box to the pure white flag and this was recently reverted so I'm coming here after looking through the history and seeing a lot of back and forth about the matter. I have come to see if some conscious could be reached on the matter.
Looking through the history the flag seems to have been added first in this edit with the claim that "The plain white flag was almost never used. It usually had a coat of arms in it." However the article itself says: "Symbolic acts such as the replacement of the tricolore flag with the white flag..." and the cited source Tombs, Robert (1996). France 1814–1914. London: Longman. repeatedly talks of the "The Bourbon white flag" for example saying after the restoration that "The tricolour was replaced by the Bourbon white flag." (page 332).
In one of the edit summaries I saw there was a suggestion that we should look to French Wikipedia articles for an answer. Looking at fr:Restauration (histoire de France) they do use the flags but the three sources they give for this flag: [3], [4], [5] are all images showing a pure white flag. fr:Drapeau du royaume de France seems to say that the government during the during the restoration used a plain white flag, with the army using a flag with the royal coat of arms on but the population often used a range of unofficial white flags with different Fleur-de-lis designs on them (see fr:Drapeau du royaume de France#Le drapeau blanc dans la vie publique).
While the white flag might not have been the most popular with the public, I don't see the reason to believe the less official flag we're currently using would have been any more popular.
I think that we should use the pure white flag as it seems to be the flag that the authorities them selves used. Cakelot1 ( talk) 00:17, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
There are two types of papers that can be used as evidence:
One is a paper and the other is French Wikipedia.
There is also controversy. -- 211.197.54.36 ( talk) 08:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)