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What is Bobov 43rd Street? I've never heard of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.21.1.158 ( talk) 12/Sep/05
"A street covered with snow?" seriously, we can have some more interesting pictures than that. Something about the Satmar brothers' battle or a little more info on the ethnic history would be a real help. Maybe a picture of 13th Avenue shopping or a picture of a supermarket or a synagogue or something.-- Screwball23 talk 19:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Seriously, bonfires and attacks on police officers? Burning a police vehicle? That is a riot, plain and simple. Mr. Schick himself said it got out of hand, and called it a riot himself. It also should be remembered that there were previous "protests" like this in the past.-- Screwball23 talk 00:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
"The wild behavior of the crowd was condemned by all Jewish community leaders and in the local Jewish newspapers." -- Does anyone know whether the abusive behavior of the police officer was condemned by any civil service leaders or in the local law enforcement bulletins? Lone wanderer 21:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I called it the bobov dynasty schism because the article mostly about the schism, which happened in boro park, not the dynasty as a whole. the main article link is helpful, but the subsection was about the schism.-- Screwball23 talk 14:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The article says there are 250,000 Jews in the neighborhood - is it supposed to be 25,000? 250,000 seems high for even a total population of any neighborhood. -- Awiseman 08:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
it is difficult to estimate the population. as screwball says, boro park is about 225 blocks in brooklyn and it seems reasonable that were are over 1000 people per block. 100 people per block would make this place a ghost town. according to the new york department of health borough park constitutes the zip codes 11204, 11236,11219, and 11230 ( http://www.health.state.ny.us/statistics/cancer/registry/appendix/neighborhoods.htm). according the city-data.com the population of these zip codes in 2000 was 74,880, 74,611, 85,987, 88,933. this equals a total of 324,411. 250,000 out of 324,411 equals about 77% which seems pretty accurate considering how jewish boro park is--there are severals yeshivas and synagogues on every street. moreover, brooklyn is closer to 25-30% jewish as 10% represents the new york state average. also considering it is a widely circulated figure that boro park had approximately 80,000 jews in 1983, considering the birth rate of the ultra orthodox community a quarter million seems like a fair estimate. 129.64.143.32 ( talk) 01:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)jonah
I'm only guessing, but is there a non-Jewish population in Borough Park as well? Ratzd'mishukribo 04:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
This article is incredibly biased! Is it about Boro Park, or about Hasids? It doesn't even set the boundaries of the neighborhood, give a population estimate, a general history, or anything of interest. What is the article about??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparviere ( talk • contribs) 19/Jun/07
The opening segment holds the following sentecne:"Moreover, neighboring Flatbush and Bensonhurst are beginning to shrink as Borough Park rapidly expands." What is this based on? The defenition of Borough Park is municipal at best. How can one neighborhood expand on behalf of its beighbor? 87.69.233.33 ( talk) 12:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
boro park is basically wherever hasidic people live and they continue to live farther and farther out from what was traditionally boro park. so what was once considered bensonhurst is increasingly becoming an extension of bp 129.64.143.32 ( talk) 01:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)jonah
With an estimated Jewish population that may be as high as 250,000 Jews (though estimates vary drastically and this number is bound to increase in the coming years), which includes many Hasidic and Hareidi Jews,[1] Borough Park has largest concentrations of Jewish people in the United States and is among the most Orthodox neighborhoods in the world.
The sentence was weakened from my original edit because some dipshit decided to shorten the statement. It reads: "With an estimated population that may be as high as ..., borough park has one of the largest concentrations of Jewish people in the US and is among the most Orthodox..."
Someone had shortened it; hopefully, it will not happen again because it was grammatically incorrect.
-- Screwball23 talk 12:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I reverted a section concerning the Brooklyn Public Library in Borough Park. The information was not newsworthy, and was incredibly trivial, especially for a neighborhood article. Comments and suggestions welcomed on the talk page: -- Screwball23 talk 00:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Granted the neighborhood being about 90-95% jewish some one reading this article would get the impression that this neighborhood is exclusively jewish. There must be something to include about other ethnic groups in this neighborhood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.74.202 ( talk) 02:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
You may want to add that the area is the one of the filthiest of New York as people feel 'heimish' enough to dump garbage in the streets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.165.74 ( talk) 19:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
As of the 2000 Census, the population of Borough Park was 85,987. The demographics were 71.4% White, 16.2% Asian, 11.9% Hispanic or Latino, 1.0%Black or African American, 0.3% Native American, 6.7% Some other race , 4.3% two or more races.
Firstly, the population of 85 thousand is helpful, but the percentages are out-of-place and far too trivial. Secondly, there are no clear references and no clear information making it clear that this is official info from the Census in the Borough Park neighborhood. Thirdly, and most importantly, even if the information is official, the article is supposed to be encyclopedic, and not written like some traveler's guide/real estate handbook.-- Screwball23 talk 02:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Boro is an excepted alternate spelling for borough in NYC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.29.158.10 ( talk) 16:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Please leave the issue of the eruv as is. Someone with a bias played around with the wording. Mytikkun ( talk) 09:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Men and women sit separately in accordance with the laws of modesty (so that there should be less mingling), not to avoid physical contact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.220.29.107 ( talk) 01:37, 16/May/14
The education section makes no sense. Here we have a neighborhood with a religious school on just about every block in areas, and the entire section is about the government system? We could change the title, but then there is a notability issue. Mzk1 ( talk) 05:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
why does the article claim the problem with a pre-college is solely 'scantily dressed girls', as if the govt. is bending itself backwards to religion? how about uncivilized teens causing trouble "'cuz the jews don't hit back"?
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The opening part mentions children per family, but the reference, besides not directly being the one quoted, is for fertility per woman. Am I right in assuming that these are not the same thing? Would it perhaps not be better to cite the NYT article that says (approvingly!) that the fertility is about twice that of the city (or borough, I have to look again)? Mzk1 ( talk) 17:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
The Borough of Brooklyn is the Borough of Brooklyn, but the place which includes zip code 11219 and parts of 11218 is known as Boro Park.
Some outsiders do say Borough Park, but such long ago institutions as Hebrew Institute of Boro Park didn't ugh. Reporters who were based in West Berlin are no longer there. The New York Times has nearly 89 thousand articles with "Boro Park" vs. about seven thousand ugh (and 61 with both). Those who say the "g" in length may have the strength (another g) to say no, but, as a socialist put it, "the locals spell it Boro Park." Pi314m ( talk) 21:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Not mentioned in the article. AW ( talk) 17:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
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What is Bobov 43rd Street? I've never heard of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.21.1.158 ( talk) 12/Sep/05
"A street covered with snow?" seriously, we can have some more interesting pictures than that. Something about the Satmar brothers' battle or a little more info on the ethnic history would be a real help. Maybe a picture of 13th Avenue shopping or a picture of a supermarket or a synagogue or something.-- Screwball23 talk 19:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Seriously, bonfires and attacks on police officers? Burning a police vehicle? That is a riot, plain and simple. Mr. Schick himself said it got out of hand, and called it a riot himself. It also should be remembered that there were previous "protests" like this in the past.-- Screwball23 talk 00:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
"The wild behavior of the crowd was condemned by all Jewish community leaders and in the local Jewish newspapers." -- Does anyone know whether the abusive behavior of the police officer was condemned by any civil service leaders or in the local law enforcement bulletins? Lone wanderer 21:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I called it the bobov dynasty schism because the article mostly about the schism, which happened in boro park, not the dynasty as a whole. the main article link is helpful, but the subsection was about the schism.-- Screwball23 talk 14:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The article says there are 250,000 Jews in the neighborhood - is it supposed to be 25,000? 250,000 seems high for even a total population of any neighborhood. -- Awiseman 08:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
it is difficult to estimate the population. as screwball says, boro park is about 225 blocks in brooklyn and it seems reasonable that were are over 1000 people per block. 100 people per block would make this place a ghost town. according to the new york department of health borough park constitutes the zip codes 11204, 11236,11219, and 11230 ( http://www.health.state.ny.us/statistics/cancer/registry/appendix/neighborhoods.htm). according the city-data.com the population of these zip codes in 2000 was 74,880, 74,611, 85,987, 88,933. this equals a total of 324,411. 250,000 out of 324,411 equals about 77% which seems pretty accurate considering how jewish boro park is--there are severals yeshivas and synagogues on every street. moreover, brooklyn is closer to 25-30% jewish as 10% represents the new york state average. also considering it is a widely circulated figure that boro park had approximately 80,000 jews in 1983, considering the birth rate of the ultra orthodox community a quarter million seems like a fair estimate. 129.64.143.32 ( talk) 01:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)jonah
I'm only guessing, but is there a non-Jewish population in Borough Park as well? Ratzd'mishukribo 04:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
This article is incredibly biased! Is it about Boro Park, or about Hasids? It doesn't even set the boundaries of the neighborhood, give a population estimate, a general history, or anything of interest. What is the article about??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparviere ( talk • contribs) 19/Jun/07
The opening segment holds the following sentecne:"Moreover, neighboring Flatbush and Bensonhurst are beginning to shrink as Borough Park rapidly expands." What is this based on? The defenition of Borough Park is municipal at best. How can one neighborhood expand on behalf of its beighbor? 87.69.233.33 ( talk) 12:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
boro park is basically wherever hasidic people live and they continue to live farther and farther out from what was traditionally boro park. so what was once considered bensonhurst is increasingly becoming an extension of bp 129.64.143.32 ( talk) 01:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)jonah
With an estimated Jewish population that may be as high as 250,000 Jews (though estimates vary drastically and this number is bound to increase in the coming years), which includes many Hasidic and Hareidi Jews,[1] Borough Park has largest concentrations of Jewish people in the United States and is among the most Orthodox neighborhoods in the world.
The sentence was weakened from my original edit because some dipshit decided to shorten the statement. It reads: "With an estimated population that may be as high as ..., borough park has one of the largest concentrations of Jewish people in the US and is among the most Orthodox..."
Someone had shortened it; hopefully, it will not happen again because it was grammatically incorrect.
-- Screwball23 talk 12:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I reverted a section concerning the Brooklyn Public Library in Borough Park. The information was not newsworthy, and was incredibly trivial, especially for a neighborhood article. Comments and suggestions welcomed on the talk page: -- Screwball23 talk 00:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Granted the neighborhood being about 90-95% jewish some one reading this article would get the impression that this neighborhood is exclusively jewish. There must be something to include about other ethnic groups in this neighborhood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.74.202 ( talk) 02:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
You may want to add that the area is the one of the filthiest of New York as people feel 'heimish' enough to dump garbage in the streets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.165.74 ( talk) 19:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
As of the 2000 Census, the population of Borough Park was 85,987. The demographics were 71.4% White, 16.2% Asian, 11.9% Hispanic or Latino, 1.0%Black or African American, 0.3% Native American, 6.7% Some other race , 4.3% two or more races.
Firstly, the population of 85 thousand is helpful, but the percentages are out-of-place and far too trivial. Secondly, there are no clear references and no clear information making it clear that this is official info from the Census in the Borough Park neighborhood. Thirdly, and most importantly, even if the information is official, the article is supposed to be encyclopedic, and not written like some traveler's guide/real estate handbook.-- Screwball23 talk 02:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Boro is an excepted alternate spelling for borough in NYC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.29.158.10 ( talk) 16:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Please leave the issue of the eruv as is. Someone with a bias played around with the wording. Mytikkun ( talk) 09:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Men and women sit separately in accordance with the laws of modesty (so that there should be less mingling), not to avoid physical contact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.220.29.107 ( talk) 01:37, 16/May/14
The education section makes no sense. Here we have a neighborhood with a religious school on just about every block in areas, and the entire section is about the government system? We could change the title, but then there is a notability issue. Mzk1 ( talk) 05:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
why does the article claim the problem with a pre-college is solely 'scantily dressed girls', as if the govt. is bending itself backwards to religion? how about uncivilized teens causing trouble "'cuz the jews don't hit back"?
24.184.31.4 (
talk)
04:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
The opening part mentions children per family, but the reference, besides not directly being the one quoted, is for fertility per woman. Am I right in assuming that these are not the same thing? Would it perhaps not be better to cite the NYT article that says (approvingly!) that the fertility is about twice that of the city (or borough, I have to look again)? Mzk1 ( talk) 17:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
The Borough of Brooklyn is the Borough of Brooklyn, but the place which includes zip code 11219 and parts of 11218 is known as Boro Park.
Some outsiders do say Borough Park, but such long ago institutions as Hebrew Institute of Boro Park didn't ugh. Reporters who were based in West Berlin are no longer there. The New York Times has nearly 89 thousand articles with "Boro Park" vs. about seven thousand ugh (and 61 with both). Those who say the "g" in length may have the strength (another g) to say no, but, as a socialist put it, "the locals spell it Boro Park." Pi314m ( talk) 21:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Not mentioned in the article. AW ( talk) 17:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Borough Park, Brooklyn's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "auto":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:03, 27 December 2022 (UTC)