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Not that it's a big deal, but I thought it should be brought to attention. While reviewing Rihanna's "Talk That Talk", they said "Born This Way" (alongside Beyonce's "4") breathed new life into the CD format this year and called it a "bombastic record that also explores the nuance of her persona".
Last paragraph.
http://www.pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16072-rihanna-talk-that-talk/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobercool ( talk • contribs) 06:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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in the "Singles" section, it currently says "and the song will be released in the UK on November 21, 2011". Change it to "and the song will be released in the UK on December 4, 2011" because November 21 has passed, and Marry The Night is not in iTunes UK nor Amazon UK. The UK date got pushed back to December 4. { Source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.148.120 ( talk • contribs)
I would be inclined to add "pop rock" to the list of genres. "You and I" is definitely more guitar driven as opposed to her other songs on this album. 120.144.159.106 ( talk) 06:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I'd be inclined to agree, but not only due to " You and I", but "Electric Chapel", " Edge of Glory" and "Bad Kids" all containing elements of rock and metal, with the album heavily associated with stadium rock in which Gaga calls inspiration from. However, I'd state that it should be " electro rock" rather then " pop rock".-- Talenthiel ( talk) 16:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
So the current genre has been changed back to pop, dance, and electronic. I think those are too broad of genres. What does everyone else think? -- Christianrxx ( talk) 19:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)Christianrxx
The album Born This Way: The Collection is number 66 in Greek Albums Chart ( ifpi.gr and Webcitation) source for information for the article. Lucas Brígido msg 12:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The sales figure is inaccurate and needs to removed. Her stupid delusional fans keep changing this information. Several reliable sources state that it has sold 5 million (4.9 to be exact). Please change this immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.97.245.84 ( talk) 00:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Her fans are not "stupid and delusional" there's no need to be rude. And, IBTimes is a reliable source. Where did you get 4.9 million as an exact figure? - Christianrxx
He's right. 4.9 is correct. Source: the same source that keeps track of everyone elses sales; mediatraffic. Shipments mean nothing until its sold. And yes, stans are "stupid and delusional." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.141.141.193 ( talk) 01:29, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
At the moment I think it's sold 5.1 million but yes the person who made this is right. As a fan I can admit that its been majorly inflated. The line "sales of the album exceed 8 million" needs to be removed. It makes no sense when you look at the certifications. 219.89.131.188 ( talk) 22:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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Born this Way has not sold 8 million copies worldwide. Could we get a credible source to cite that number? If not, could we remove that number and state the accurate number. Shipments, do not equal sales. And most music forums have her worldwide sales for this album at 5.5 million.
68.181.182.23 ( talk) 16:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you joking where is the reliable source saying 'sales of the album exceed 8 million"???????? 219.89.131.188 ( talk) 22:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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Internationally successful, Born This Way debuted in the top five spots in every major market, including the Billboard 200. In the United States, Born This Way sold 1.108 million copies in its first week – the largest first week album sales in five years – while the album's four singles – "Born This Way", "Judas", "The Edge of Glory", and "You and I" – went on to chart in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100. "Born This Way" became the fastest-selling single in iTunes history[3] and the promotional track "Hair" charted in sixteen countries. Gaga has performed songs from the album on different occasions, including at prominent award ceremonies including the 53rd Grammy Awards and the 2011 MTV Video Music Awards, as well as in other events and television appearances. As of October 2011, worldwide sales of the album have exceeded 8 million copies. Mongosul 02:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Internationally successful, Born This Way debuted in the top five spots in every major market, including the Billboard 200. In the United States, Born This Way sold 1.108 million copies in its first week – the largest first week album sales in five years – while the album's four singles – "Born This Way", "Judas", "The Edge of Glory", and "You and I" – went on to chart in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100. "Born This Way" became the fastest-selling single in iTunes history[3] and the promotional track "Hair" charted in sixteen countries. Gaga has performed songs from the album on different occasions, including at prominent award ceremonies including the 53rd Grammy Awards and the 2011 MTV Video Music Awards, as well as in other events and television appearances. As of October 2011, worldwide sales of the album have exceeded 5 million copies.
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第二名則是加拿大小天后艾薇兒《再見搖籃曲》,銷售4.9萬張;而第三名則是火星人布魯諾《情歌正傳》,銷售3.6萬張。
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Please add the correct tag for the song Born This Way, in the Born This Way#Contents section. It is bold and hyperlinked to the page Born This Way. Please correct this fix or give me permission to do so. Thank you! Sincerely, User:Žach264 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zach464 ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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BTW is No. 15 on the Year-End-Chart of 2011 in Austria and No. 10 in Switzerland. Please add that! http://oe3.orf.at/charts/stories/albumyear/ http://hitparade.ch/year.asp?key=2011-- 93.229.98.15 ( talk) 01:35, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
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Born This Way is Platinum in Germany... Please add! http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch -- 93.229.107.94 ( talk) 19:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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Born This Way is the 17th best-selling album of 2011 in Germany. http://www.mtv.de/charts/Album_Jahrescharts_2011 Please add that =) ! -- 79.199.51.26 ( talk) 02:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Stadium rock should be added to the genre section of the info-box. Multiple sources 1, 2, 3 as well as Gaga herself, 4, express that Born This Way draws heavily from a stadium rock influence. Especially in songs such as: "You and I", "The Edge of Glory", "Bad Kids" and "Electric Chapel" -- Christianrxx ( talk) 01:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)Christianrxx
Do we have a consensus to add electro rock? -- Christianrxx ( talk) 05:00, 23 December 2011 (UTC)Christianrxx
Has the decision been made?-- 81.154.120.49 ( talk) 10:27, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Although I'm not a Wikipedian but I was shocked to not find the word "rock" anywhere is the infobox. The album is very rock-oriented as seen in songs like "The Edge of Glory", "Hair", "Electric Chapel", "Bad Kids", "Highway Unicorn" and of course "You and I". I do think it should be added.
Apparently Heavy Metal Lover will be the 6th single.
Source: http://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Metal-Lover-Single/dp/B006WFZBGU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1327439520&sr=8-6 -- It's Flo ( talk) 21:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
why it is still incorrect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaazia ( talk • contribs) 20:38, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
but the source is not reliable, even a little. check mediatrffic http://www.mediatraffic.de/year-end-albums.htm
http://thatgrapejuice.net/2012/01/billboard-singles-lady-gagas-born/ http://www.ranker.com/list/top-ten-best-selling-albums-of-2011/music-lover The 8 million figure is clearly a promotional lie perpetuated by Gaga's management to make it sound more successful than it actually is. This needs to be rectified. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 03:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Yahoo! included the special edition artwork among their list of the most iconic album covers of all time. With this considered, could we include it as alternative artwork? – Chase ( talk / contribs) 23:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
After reading the Los Angeles Time review, as opposed to unfavourable as it is stated in the reviews section, I found it to come across more as mixed. I decided to check metacritic as a result and see what rating it was given, which turn out to be 50/100. Surely this would classify it as a mixed review rather than unfavourable?-- 31.205.74.39 ( talk) 13:43, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Metacritic ratings: http://www.metacritic.com/music/born-this-way/critic-reviews
L.A. Times Review: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2011/05/album-review-lady-gagas-born-this-way.html
Isn't Wikipedia supposed to be neutral?
Why then some decided the "8 million" figure was "very disputed"? Disputed by who? Haters? Of course that figure is based on shipments... Like every single figure the media / record companies publish. But if we're going to be that meticulous, we should do the same for EVERY artist page in Wikipedia... As I see astronomical figures in Michael Jackson and many others' pages, especially those of the pre-internet era, figures that in many cases are just hilarious (like 'Never Gone' by the Backstreet Boys selling 10 million copies, when real sales are not even half of that, or Oral Fixation 2 , by Shakira selling 8 million according to her site when she sold like 5 million, and many many others), but a single source from a local newspaper is enough to prove it's true...
But with Gaga is a different thing... hundreds of sources in the net with the 8 million figure are not enough... Haters must make this clear, that's shipped not sold... they prefer to rely on Mediatraffic figure than Billboard's and many other media sources... Wasn't Mediatraffic in the black list for charts???? Or it's just depending on the interests of the moderator?
If we're not believing shipments figures as a source, then I should go to every other artists' pages and check and then add that same comment about that figure being shipped and not sold like a zillion times across their wikipedia pages. Pathetic.
All you people know exactly why this figure is disputed: you even partook in most of the discussions that were previously here on this page. Some of you have also unhelpfully archived those same discussions without any resolution being delivered. The main reason you've given for the removal of certain information was that this information came from "unreliable sources": but a major source removed was a Billboard article:
Billboard's a good enough source for every other artist and album related article, but not in this case, apparently? All the information you removed was fully sourced and verifiable. Wikipedia is not a propaganda tool. Its purpose is to make widely available all relevant facts pertaining to a subject. But you knew that. Wikipedia is not an extension of her forum. This page is the facts, all of which are neutral and fully sourced. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 00:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
When Adele's record label state sales in excess of 18 million copies for 21, Mediatraffic is there with sales of 18.3 million. When Rihanna's record label state sales of of over 3 million for Loud, Mediatraffic states sales of 3.4 million. Why do you people suddenly accuse the site of having some sort of bias towards your mother monster? The site has been confirmed accurate time and time again when it comes to analysing chart data. Your complaints have nothing to do with the site as it operates, your complaint is to do with the fact that it undermines claims made by Lady Gaga's manager, an extremely biased, non-third party source that should have never been included on Wikipedia. Artists and managers have a severe and palpable vested interest in over-exaggerating their own statistics. It's happened here: they've exaggerated claims to make the record sound a bigger success than it was, and now people think it's a bigger success than it was. Compare certifications of The Fame with certifications of Born This Way. There's no comparison - yet somehow the latter has sold over half of what the former did. The fact other sources have reprinted claims made by vested interests does nothing to dispel the obvious irregularities. The issue is not resolved, Pengiun. I am removing Lady Gaga's managers' claim - since it shouldn't have been included in the first place - and I'm re-including the issue of Interscope themselves refusing to make public their exact sales figures. Isn't it funny how the record sold 5 million copies up to August, then various claims stated another 2+ million sales in September without any noticeable chart rebound. Then another 0.8+ million by October, again without any noticeable chart rebound. Now it seems sales have completely collapsed for the past 6 months. None of this sounding fishy to you? Just because 2 fans dislike what we're trying to resolve, Penguin, does not a consensus make. Issue is far from resolved. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 00:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please add that Born This Way is 2x Platinum in Ireland http://www.irishcharts.ie/awards/multi_platinum11.htm -- 79.199.34.12 ( talk) 16:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Born This Way is 4xPlatinum in Portugal: http://www.artistas-espectaculos.com/topafp/pt/201124.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.36.155 ( talk) 10:33, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
This article should include the Special Edition cover. LurganShmith ( talk) 00:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Why shouldn't it? You can look at other pages, a good article, would include both covers in the info box. The deluxe/special/alternate cover on bottom.
LurganShmith ( talk) 18:56, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
It just went X3 Platinum in the UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.111.246 ( talk) 22:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
She even took a photo with it :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.41.70 ( talk) 04:39, 6 June 2012 (UTC) http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=222207
Songwriters are credited with their real name, not a stage name. This entire section should be fixed. DanielDPeterson + talk 02:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Can we get an accurate sales figure. The 8 million seems to be inflated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefaithmonster1 ( talk • contribs) 09:00, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. Based on the stats provided, it appears that this is currently the primary topic. -- regentspark ( comment) 15:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
– I completely understand WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but if you think about it, the song and the album both have the same amount of popularity. I think both the album and the song are the primary topics, and it's a war between the two pages, so this page should have album in parenthesees. 68.44.51.49 ( talk) 01:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC) 68.44.51.49 ( talk) 01:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I removed an image of Lady Gaga from the commercial performance section here. The removal has been challenged by two other editors who cite other Wikipedia articles having an excess of image illustrating the recording artist in those articles. I cited guidelines at WP:Image and WP:Other stuff exists in response, and explained further at their talk pages ( User talk:Kirtap92#Born This Way, User talk:Sricsi), and recommended to the one who reverted multiple times to discuss it here or at my talk page or theirs. To avoid dragging out a content dispute, I made this post here. Dan56 ( talk) 22:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
"Adding multiple images with very similar content is less useful. For example, three formal portraits of a general wearing his military uniform may be excessive; substituting two of the portraits with a map of a battle and a picture of its aftermath may provide more information to readers. You should always be watchful not to overwhelm an article with images by adding more just because you can." That's what the guideline say. But I can't help but compare this article to other ones, because if you think using THREE pictures in one articxle is excessive, then why don't you do it with all the other articles? There is scarcely an album article that has less than 3 pictures, and if it does, it is because there aren't more photos uploaded.
So once again, is THREE pictures "excessive" and "overwhelming the article"? -- Sricsi ( talk) 23:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Why do you think the article is improved by having one less photo? I understand your problem, that the Commercial performance section is not strictly connected with any photo. But we can't place each and every photos under the Promotion/Live performances section. By your terms, all album articles should be having only one picture, because the live performances section is the only one that is truly in strong connection with a photo depicting a live performance. But I don't think this article is improved in your way at all. If it was the 6th picture, I would say okay, maybe that's too much, and not necessary, but it was far away from being excessive. I hope some other editors have an opinion concerning the topic. -- Sricsi ( talk) 23:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Seriously, is there anyone else beside Dan56, that thinks that picture is unnecessary? Obviously, when almost EVERY major album article's Commercial Performance session HAS a picture, than Born This Way can have a picture there too. Here is some example " Hard Candy", " The Fame", " Confessions on a Dance Floor", and hundreds and hundreds more. We should be all happy that there are so many beautiful pictures about this singer, we should use them for gods sake. Oh and don't come up again with that "Wikipedia:Other stuff exists" thing. That problem has nothing to do with what that article says. Kirtap92 ( talk) 23:27, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
There is scarcely any mentioning about the tour supporting the album, not even in the Live performances section. Someone knowledgable in this field should add some information about it and a direct link to the article of the Born this way ball tour. -- Sricsi ( talk) 02:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
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i want to add the DELUXE / SPECIAL EDITION COVER Roie3600 ( talk) 19:52, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Looking at Born This Way's page, I noticed it was listed as being certified as platinum. However, looking at the exact sales figures (as listed in Lady Gaga's discography as 853,633) of Born This Way in the UK, it should be listed as 2x Platinum, not just Platinum.
A link to the discography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga_discography
A link to BPI Platinum certifications: http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx
And a link to Born This Way's page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way
Shall it be changed to 2X Platinum, then? -- Talenthiel ( talk) 02:23, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Gaga confirmed Heavy Metal Lover as a single many times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisWiltroutWritter ( talk • contribs) 21:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
It should be on ARTPOP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisWiltroutWritter ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Born this Way's hit 4x Platinum within Canada as of 13th Febuary 2013.
Here is a link: http://inagist.com/all/302175264220270592/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talenthiel ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Born This Way has sold over 8 million copies worldwide as of October 2011. And Billboard confirmed it and other magazines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsterboi96 ( talk • contribs) 16:06, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
"You and I" samples the Queen song "We Will Rock You." Brian May should be included as a songwriter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.193.35 ( talk) 23:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Can we add a table with the singles and selected chart positions like other wikipedia album pages have? Taylor Swift's "Red" album has one. Can someone make one for Born This Way's singles, please? Arturo52311 ( talk) 21:23, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Then why are there dozens of album pages that I've seen with the singles table? Is there a reason why this album is any different? Why not just delete all the tables and send readers to the artists' discographies? Arturo52311 ( talk) 00:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move. There's no agreement that this isn't the primary topic among the existing articles of the name. Other uses that don't currently have Wikipedia articles are not relevant to a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC discussion. Cúchullain t/ c 14:44, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
– First, the title is not unambiguous enough to associate with one topic or another, not even Lady Gaga... in the next ten years. Second, "born this way" is already heard in the 20-year-old movie The Joy Luck Club. Third, numbers of the album ( this month) and the song ( this month) went down from last May ( album, song). I even wish that the Glee episode should challenge Lady Gaga articles. Even when people mentioned "Born This Way" as part of Lady Gaga, they also associated it with homosexuality. George Ho ( talk) 07:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
. And Billboard have more than demonstrated their bias towards Lady Gaga over recent years. They even tried to claim that the cancelled US tour dates were "nearly sold out", despite them inadvertently stating that she sold an average of just 9,000 tickets per gig in venues that supported capacity in excess of 20,000. Billboard obviously get their info from PR companies. They're no longer a reliable source in my eyes. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 18:20, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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Not that it's a big deal, but I thought it should be brought to attention. While reviewing Rihanna's "Talk That Talk", they said "Born This Way" (alongside Beyonce's "4") breathed new life into the CD format this year and called it a "bombastic record that also explores the nuance of her persona".
Last paragraph.
http://www.pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16072-rihanna-talk-that-talk/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobercool ( talk • contribs) 06:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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in the "Singles" section, it currently says "and the song will be released in the UK on November 21, 2011". Change it to "and the song will be released in the UK on December 4, 2011" because November 21 has passed, and Marry The Night is not in iTunes UK nor Amazon UK. The UK date got pushed back to December 4. { Source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.148.120 ( talk • contribs)
I would be inclined to add "pop rock" to the list of genres. "You and I" is definitely more guitar driven as opposed to her other songs on this album. 120.144.159.106 ( talk) 06:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I'd be inclined to agree, but not only due to " You and I", but "Electric Chapel", " Edge of Glory" and "Bad Kids" all containing elements of rock and metal, with the album heavily associated with stadium rock in which Gaga calls inspiration from. However, I'd state that it should be " electro rock" rather then " pop rock".-- Talenthiel ( talk) 16:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
So the current genre has been changed back to pop, dance, and electronic. I think those are too broad of genres. What does everyone else think? -- Christianrxx ( talk) 19:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)Christianrxx
The album Born This Way: The Collection is number 66 in Greek Albums Chart ( ifpi.gr and Webcitation) source for information for the article. Lucas Brígido msg 12:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The sales figure is inaccurate and needs to removed. Her stupid delusional fans keep changing this information. Several reliable sources state that it has sold 5 million (4.9 to be exact). Please change this immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.97.245.84 ( talk) 00:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Her fans are not "stupid and delusional" there's no need to be rude. And, IBTimes is a reliable source. Where did you get 4.9 million as an exact figure? - Christianrxx
He's right. 4.9 is correct. Source: the same source that keeps track of everyone elses sales; mediatraffic. Shipments mean nothing until its sold. And yes, stans are "stupid and delusional." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.141.141.193 ( talk) 01:29, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
At the moment I think it's sold 5.1 million but yes the person who made this is right. As a fan I can admit that its been majorly inflated. The line "sales of the album exceed 8 million" needs to be removed. It makes no sense when you look at the certifications. 219.89.131.188 ( talk) 22:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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Born this Way has not sold 8 million copies worldwide. Could we get a credible source to cite that number? If not, could we remove that number and state the accurate number. Shipments, do not equal sales. And most music forums have her worldwide sales for this album at 5.5 million.
68.181.182.23 ( talk) 16:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you joking where is the reliable source saying 'sales of the album exceed 8 million"???????? 219.89.131.188 ( talk) 22:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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Internationally successful, Born This Way debuted in the top five spots in every major market, including the Billboard 200. In the United States, Born This Way sold 1.108 million copies in its first week – the largest first week album sales in five years – while the album's four singles – "Born This Way", "Judas", "The Edge of Glory", and "You and I" – went on to chart in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100. "Born This Way" became the fastest-selling single in iTunes history[3] and the promotional track "Hair" charted in sixteen countries. Gaga has performed songs from the album on different occasions, including at prominent award ceremonies including the 53rd Grammy Awards and the 2011 MTV Video Music Awards, as well as in other events and television appearances. As of October 2011, worldwide sales of the album have exceeded 8 million copies. Mongosul 02:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Internationally successful, Born This Way debuted in the top five spots in every major market, including the Billboard 200. In the United States, Born This Way sold 1.108 million copies in its first week – the largest first week album sales in five years – while the album's four singles – "Born This Way", "Judas", "The Edge of Glory", and "You and I" – went on to chart in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100. "Born This Way" became the fastest-selling single in iTunes history[3] and the promotional track "Hair" charted in sixteen countries. Gaga has performed songs from the album on different occasions, including at prominent award ceremonies including the 53rd Grammy Awards and the 2011 MTV Video Music Awards, as well as in other events and television appearances. As of October 2011, worldwide sales of the album have exceeded 5 million copies.
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台灣西洋專輯銷售榜 女神卡卡2連霸
2011年12月28日01:02 蘋果即時 《蘋果娛樂新聞》整理台灣西洋專輯銷售榜,女神卡卡今年再度蟬連冠軍寶座,《天生完美》實體加數位專輯銷量10萬張。
第二名則是加拿大小天后艾薇兒《再見搖籃曲》,銷售4.9萬張;而第三名則是火星人布魯諾《情歌正傳》,銷售3.6萬張。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spaXURPFbyg&feature=player_embedded — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.115.195 ( talk) 10:55, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Please add the correct tag for the song Born This Way, in the Born This Way#Contents section. It is bold and hyperlinked to the page Born This Way. Please correct this fix or give me permission to do so. Thank you! Sincerely, User:Žach264 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zach464 ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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BTW is No. 15 on the Year-End-Chart of 2011 in Austria and No. 10 in Switzerland. Please add that! http://oe3.orf.at/charts/stories/albumyear/ http://hitparade.ch/year.asp?key=2011-- 93.229.98.15 ( talk) 01:35, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
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Born This Way is Platinum in Germany... Please add! http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch -- 93.229.107.94 ( talk) 19:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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Born This Way is the 17th best-selling album of 2011 in Germany. http://www.mtv.de/charts/Album_Jahrescharts_2011 Please add that =) ! -- 79.199.51.26 ( talk) 02:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Stadium rock should be added to the genre section of the info-box. Multiple sources 1, 2, 3 as well as Gaga herself, 4, express that Born This Way draws heavily from a stadium rock influence. Especially in songs such as: "You and I", "The Edge of Glory", "Bad Kids" and "Electric Chapel" -- Christianrxx ( talk) 01:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)Christianrxx
Do we have a consensus to add electro rock? -- Christianrxx ( talk) 05:00, 23 December 2011 (UTC)Christianrxx
Has the decision been made?-- 81.154.120.49 ( talk) 10:27, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Although I'm not a Wikipedian but I was shocked to not find the word "rock" anywhere is the infobox. The album is very rock-oriented as seen in songs like "The Edge of Glory", "Hair", "Electric Chapel", "Bad Kids", "Highway Unicorn" and of course "You and I". I do think it should be added.
Apparently Heavy Metal Lover will be the 6th single.
Source: http://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Metal-Lover-Single/dp/B006WFZBGU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1327439520&sr=8-6 -- It's Flo ( talk) 21:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
why it is still incorrect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaazia ( talk • contribs) 20:38, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
but the source is not reliable, even a little. check mediatrffic http://www.mediatraffic.de/year-end-albums.htm
http://thatgrapejuice.net/2012/01/billboard-singles-lady-gagas-born/ http://www.ranker.com/list/top-ten-best-selling-albums-of-2011/music-lover The 8 million figure is clearly a promotional lie perpetuated by Gaga's management to make it sound more successful than it actually is. This needs to be rectified. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 03:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Yahoo! included the special edition artwork among their list of the most iconic album covers of all time. With this considered, could we include it as alternative artwork? – Chase ( talk / contribs) 23:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
After reading the Los Angeles Time review, as opposed to unfavourable as it is stated in the reviews section, I found it to come across more as mixed. I decided to check metacritic as a result and see what rating it was given, which turn out to be 50/100. Surely this would classify it as a mixed review rather than unfavourable?-- 31.205.74.39 ( talk) 13:43, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Metacritic ratings: http://www.metacritic.com/music/born-this-way/critic-reviews
L.A. Times Review: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2011/05/album-review-lady-gagas-born-this-way.html
Isn't Wikipedia supposed to be neutral?
Why then some decided the "8 million" figure was "very disputed"? Disputed by who? Haters? Of course that figure is based on shipments... Like every single figure the media / record companies publish. But if we're going to be that meticulous, we should do the same for EVERY artist page in Wikipedia... As I see astronomical figures in Michael Jackson and many others' pages, especially those of the pre-internet era, figures that in many cases are just hilarious (like 'Never Gone' by the Backstreet Boys selling 10 million copies, when real sales are not even half of that, or Oral Fixation 2 , by Shakira selling 8 million according to her site when she sold like 5 million, and many many others), but a single source from a local newspaper is enough to prove it's true...
But with Gaga is a different thing... hundreds of sources in the net with the 8 million figure are not enough... Haters must make this clear, that's shipped not sold... they prefer to rely on Mediatraffic figure than Billboard's and many other media sources... Wasn't Mediatraffic in the black list for charts???? Or it's just depending on the interests of the moderator?
If we're not believing shipments figures as a source, then I should go to every other artists' pages and check and then add that same comment about that figure being shipped and not sold like a zillion times across their wikipedia pages. Pathetic.
All you people know exactly why this figure is disputed: you even partook in most of the discussions that were previously here on this page. Some of you have also unhelpfully archived those same discussions without any resolution being delivered. The main reason you've given for the removal of certain information was that this information came from "unreliable sources": but a major source removed was a Billboard article:
Billboard's a good enough source for every other artist and album related article, but not in this case, apparently? All the information you removed was fully sourced and verifiable. Wikipedia is not a propaganda tool. Its purpose is to make widely available all relevant facts pertaining to a subject. But you knew that. Wikipedia is not an extension of her forum. This page is the facts, all of which are neutral and fully sourced. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 00:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
When Adele's record label state sales in excess of 18 million copies for 21, Mediatraffic is there with sales of 18.3 million. When Rihanna's record label state sales of of over 3 million for Loud, Mediatraffic states sales of 3.4 million. Why do you people suddenly accuse the site of having some sort of bias towards your mother monster? The site has been confirmed accurate time and time again when it comes to analysing chart data. Your complaints have nothing to do with the site as it operates, your complaint is to do with the fact that it undermines claims made by Lady Gaga's manager, an extremely biased, non-third party source that should have never been included on Wikipedia. Artists and managers have a severe and palpable vested interest in over-exaggerating their own statistics. It's happened here: they've exaggerated claims to make the record sound a bigger success than it was, and now people think it's a bigger success than it was. Compare certifications of The Fame with certifications of Born This Way. There's no comparison - yet somehow the latter has sold over half of what the former did. The fact other sources have reprinted claims made by vested interests does nothing to dispel the obvious irregularities. The issue is not resolved, Pengiun. I am removing Lady Gaga's managers' claim - since it shouldn't have been included in the first place - and I'm re-including the issue of Interscope themselves refusing to make public their exact sales figures. Isn't it funny how the record sold 5 million copies up to August, then various claims stated another 2+ million sales in September without any noticeable chart rebound. Then another 0.8+ million by October, again without any noticeable chart rebound. Now it seems sales have completely collapsed for the past 6 months. None of this sounding fishy to you? Just because 2 fans dislike what we're trying to resolve, Penguin, does not a consensus make. Issue is far from resolved. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 00:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please add that Born This Way is 2x Platinum in Ireland http://www.irishcharts.ie/awards/multi_platinum11.htm -- 79.199.34.12 ( talk) 16:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Born This Way is 4xPlatinum in Portugal: http://www.artistas-espectaculos.com/topafp/pt/201124.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.36.155 ( talk) 10:33, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
This article should include the Special Edition cover. LurganShmith ( talk) 00:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Why shouldn't it? You can look at other pages, a good article, would include both covers in the info box. The deluxe/special/alternate cover on bottom.
LurganShmith ( talk) 18:56, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
It just went X3 Platinum in the UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.111.246 ( talk) 22:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
She even took a photo with it :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.41.70 ( talk) 04:39, 6 June 2012 (UTC) http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=222207
Songwriters are credited with their real name, not a stage name. This entire section should be fixed. DanielDPeterson + talk 02:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Can we get an accurate sales figure. The 8 million seems to be inflated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefaithmonster1 ( talk • contribs) 09:00, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. Based on the stats provided, it appears that this is currently the primary topic. -- regentspark ( comment) 15:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
– I completely understand WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but if you think about it, the song and the album both have the same amount of popularity. I think both the album and the song are the primary topics, and it's a war between the two pages, so this page should have album in parenthesees. 68.44.51.49 ( talk) 01:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC) 68.44.51.49 ( talk) 01:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I removed an image of Lady Gaga from the commercial performance section here. The removal has been challenged by two other editors who cite other Wikipedia articles having an excess of image illustrating the recording artist in those articles. I cited guidelines at WP:Image and WP:Other stuff exists in response, and explained further at their talk pages ( User talk:Kirtap92#Born This Way, User talk:Sricsi), and recommended to the one who reverted multiple times to discuss it here or at my talk page or theirs. To avoid dragging out a content dispute, I made this post here. Dan56 ( talk) 22:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
"Adding multiple images with very similar content is less useful. For example, three formal portraits of a general wearing his military uniform may be excessive; substituting two of the portraits with a map of a battle and a picture of its aftermath may provide more information to readers. You should always be watchful not to overwhelm an article with images by adding more just because you can." That's what the guideline say. But I can't help but compare this article to other ones, because if you think using THREE pictures in one articxle is excessive, then why don't you do it with all the other articles? There is scarcely an album article that has less than 3 pictures, and if it does, it is because there aren't more photos uploaded.
So once again, is THREE pictures "excessive" and "overwhelming the article"? -- Sricsi ( talk) 23:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Why do you think the article is improved by having one less photo? I understand your problem, that the Commercial performance section is not strictly connected with any photo. But we can't place each and every photos under the Promotion/Live performances section. By your terms, all album articles should be having only one picture, because the live performances section is the only one that is truly in strong connection with a photo depicting a live performance. But I don't think this article is improved in your way at all. If it was the 6th picture, I would say okay, maybe that's too much, and not necessary, but it was far away from being excessive. I hope some other editors have an opinion concerning the topic. -- Sricsi ( talk) 23:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Seriously, is there anyone else beside Dan56, that thinks that picture is unnecessary? Obviously, when almost EVERY major album article's Commercial Performance session HAS a picture, than Born This Way can have a picture there too. Here is some example " Hard Candy", " The Fame", " Confessions on a Dance Floor", and hundreds and hundreds more. We should be all happy that there are so many beautiful pictures about this singer, we should use them for gods sake. Oh and don't come up again with that "Wikipedia:Other stuff exists" thing. That problem has nothing to do with what that article says. Kirtap92 ( talk) 23:27, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
There is scarcely any mentioning about the tour supporting the album, not even in the Live performances section. Someone knowledgable in this field should add some information about it and a direct link to the article of the Born this way ball tour. -- Sricsi ( talk) 02:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
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i want to add the DELUXE / SPECIAL EDITION COVER Roie3600 ( talk) 19:52, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Looking at Born This Way's page, I noticed it was listed as being certified as platinum. However, looking at the exact sales figures (as listed in Lady Gaga's discography as 853,633) of Born This Way in the UK, it should be listed as 2x Platinum, not just Platinum.
A link to the discography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga_discography
A link to BPI Platinum certifications: http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx
And a link to Born This Way's page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way
Shall it be changed to 2X Platinum, then? -- Talenthiel ( talk) 02:23, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Gaga confirmed Heavy Metal Lover as a single many times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisWiltroutWritter ( talk • contribs) 21:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
It should be on ARTPOP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisWiltroutWritter ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Born this Way's hit 4x Platinum within Canada as of 13th Febuary 2013.
Here is a link: http://inagist.com/all/302175264220270592/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talenthiel ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Born This Way has sold over 8 million copies worldwide as of October 2011. And Billboard confirmed it and other magazines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsterboi96 ( talk • contribs) 16:06, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
"You and I" samples the Queen song "We Will Rock You." Brian May should be included as a songwriter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.193.35 ( talk) 23:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Can we add a table with the singles and selected chart positions like other wikipedia album pages have? Taylor Swift's "Red" album has one. Can someone make one for Born This Way's singles, please? Arturo52311 ( talk) 21:23, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Then why are there dozens of album pages that I've seen with the singles table? Is there a reason why this album is any different? Why not just delete all the tables and send readers to the artists' discographies? Arturo52311 ( talk) 00:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move. There's no agreement that this isn't the primary topic among the existing articles of the name. Other uses that don't currently have Wikipedia articles are not relevant to a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC discussion. Cúchullain t/ c 14:44, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
– First, the title is not unambiguous enough to associate with one topic or another, not even Lady Gaga... in the next ten years. Second, "born this way" is already heard in the 20-year-old movie The Joy Luck Club. Third, numbers of the album ( this month) and the song ( this month) went down from last May ( album, song). I even wish that the Glee episode should challenge Lady Gaga articles. Even when people mentioned "Born This Way" as part of Lady Gaga, they also associated it with homosexuality. George Ho ( talk) 07:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
. And Billboard have more than demonstrated their bias towards Lady Gaga over recent years. They even tried to claim that the cancelled US tour dates were "nearly sold out", despite them inadvertently stating that she sold an average of just 9,000 tickets per gig in venues that supported capacity in excess of 20,000. Billboard obviously get their info from PR companies. They're no longer a reliable source in my eyes. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 18:20, 9 June 2013 (UTC)