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All of the mentioned information is too biased, we need to update due to reports of fraud as alleged by top maltese forensic experts. there was no mention of the fact that the forensic team concluded the fact as 'strongly dubious' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.158.76.92 ( talk) 21:09, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
The Bishop of Malta knows about this case. I cannot make a citation, because as I explained, the Church has not yet published anything official, since the apparitions are still going on and it is the policy of the Church not to comment officially over apparitions-in-progress. However, please note that this case has become famous all over Malta. Alan347 ( talk) 09:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
The Case was reported to Vatican by Arch-bishop implies it is being taken seriously, otherwise he would not have reported case to Vatican. Fr. Elias Vella (exorcist), Fr. Hayden Williams O.F.M. (Spiritual Director of Angelik Caruana), Psychitarist Mark Xuereb are closly following the case. Doesnt' this mean the case is being taken seriously ? Alan347 ( talk) 14:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
"L-allegati dehriet tal-Madonna fuq l-Għolja ta' Borġ in-Nadur lil Angelik Caruana kienu riferuti lill-Vatikan. L-istess sar fil-każ tal-allegati fenomeni li qed jiġru fuq l-istatwa tal-Immakulata Kunċizzjoni, fid-dar tal-familja Caruana. Dan ħabbru l-Arċisqof Pawl Cremona fil-programm "Dissett", li xxandar fuq ix-Xandir Nazzjonali. "
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The alleged apparitions of Our lady on the Borg in-Nadur Hill to Angelik caruana were referred to the Vatican. The same has been done to the alleged pheonomena that are happening to the statue of the Immacculate conception at the residence of the family Caruana. This was announced by Archbishop Paul Cremona in the program "Dissett", that was broadcasted on the National Television Station TVM. Alan347 ( talk) 15:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
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I think the page on the location that deals with geography really must be separated from Borġ in-Nadur apparitions which is a different topic and may or may not meet notability anyway. History2007 ( talk) 16:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
The Categories: | Maltese prehistory | Archaeological sites in Malta | History of Malta | Megalithic monuments in Europe | Megalithic Temples of Malta | Neolithic, surely are different ! Alan347 ( talk) 08:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
What is disputed ?
What additional citations are needed for verificatoin ?
What are all the "P123" page references referring to? User:Alan347 added about a hundred of them (I've since cut the excessive quotations down so that it's only using a few), but I can't see which book they're referring back to. -- McGeddon ( talk) 09:19, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd also would like to do a minor change. Angelik is known in Malta as Angelik. Alan347 ( talk) 02:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
The apparitions are still going on and messages are still being given on a weekly basis on the site of Borg in-Nadur. The promised stream of water has not yet appeared. Alan347 ( talk) 11:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Considering the small amount of attention that has been paid to this topic by independent sources, it seems to be barely notable - but giving it the benefit of the doubt on that point, the article certainly needs a rewrite to make it comply with our neutral point of view policy. At present there's far too much primary sourcing of what this guy has said and too little from the necessary reliable secondary sources. — SMALL JIM 00:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. With no clear-cut objections to the move in two and a half weeks, and no conversation in almost that long, I'm carrying this out. McGeddon is seeing to the relevant rewriting involved. -- BDD ( talk) 21:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Borġ in-Nadur apparitions → Angelik Caruana – The visions are only experienced by one person, and the article seems to be as much about Caruana as his visions at Borġ in-Nadur - it mentions other aspects of his life, such as the bleeding statues at his home, the visions at other locations, and his breach of security at the Vatican. If anything the sources refer more to him as a person than to his visions. McGeddon ( talk) 16:48, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
User:Alan347 boldly split this article into a second article at Angelik Caruana, halfway through the above discussion on whether it should be moved to that same destination. Per WP:PROSPLIT, I've reverted it pending consensus that the article needs to be split at all - it's fine to say in the move discussion that you think the article should instead be split, but unhelpful to go ahead and do that unilaterally while the discussion is ongoing. -- McGeddon ( talk) 13:58, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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Has the place been abandoned by pilgrims ? I went there a couple of times. There is the cross and the statue but no people. Also I checked for any trace of water that should have appeared but there is none. Alan347 ( talk) 06:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
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All of the mentioned information is too biased, we need to update due to reports of fraud as alleged by top maltese forensic experts. there was no mention of the fact that the forensic team concluded the fact as 'strongly dubious' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.158.76.92 ( talk) 21:09, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
The Bishop of Malta knows about this case. I cannot make a citation, because as I explained, the Church has not yet published anything official, since the apparitions are still going on and it is the policy of the Church not to comment officially over apparitions-in-progress. However, please note that this case has become famous all over Malta. Alan347 ( talk) 09:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
The Case was reported to Vatican by Arch-bishop implies it is being taken seriously, otherwise he would not have reported case to Vatican. Fr. Elias Vella (exorcist), Fr. Hayden Williams O.F.M. (Spiritual Director of Angelik Caruana), Psychitarist Mark Xuereb are closly following the case. Doesnt' this mean the case is being taken seriously ? Alan347 ( talk) 14:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
"L-allegati dehriet tal-Madonna fuq l-Għolja ta' Borġ in-Nadur lil Angelik Caruana kienu riferuti lill-Vatikan. L-istess sar fil-każ tal-allegati fenomeni li qed jiġru fuq l-istatwa tal-Immakulata Kunċizzjoni, fid-dar tal-familja Caruana. Dan ħabbru l-Arċisqof Pawl Cremona fil-programm "Dissett", li xxandar fuq ix-Xandir Nazzjonali. "
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The alleged apparitions of Our lady on the Borg in-Nadur Hill to Angelik caruana were referred to the Vatican. The same has been done to the alleged pheonomena that are happening to the statue of the Immacculate conception at the residence of the family Caruana. This was announced by Archbishop Paul Cremona in the program "Dissett", that was broadcasted on the National Television Station TVM. Alan347 ( talk) 15:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
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File:Saintmaryghaxaq.JPG|thumb|140px| Għaxaq statue]]
I think the page on the location that deals with geography really must be separated from Borġ in-Nadur apparitions which is a different topic and may or may not meet notability anyway. History2007 ( talk) 16:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
The Categories: | Maltese prehistory | Archaeological sites in Malta | History of Malta | Megalithic monuments in Europe | Megalithic Temples of Malta | Neolithic, surely are different ! Alan347 ( talk) 08:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
What is disputed ?
What additional citations are needed for verificatoin ?
What are all the "P123" page references referring to? User:Alan347 added about a hundred of them (I've since cut the excessive quotations down so that it's only using a few), but I can't see which book they're referring back to. -- McGeddon ( talk) 09:19, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd also would like to do a minor change. Angelik is known in Malta as Angelik. Alan347 ( talk) 02:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
The apparitions are still going on and messages are still being given on a weekly basis on the site of Borg in-Nadur. The promised stream of water has not yet appeared. Alan347 ( talk) 11:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Considering the small amount of attention that has been paid to this topic by independent sources, it seems to be barely notable - but giving it the benefit of the doubt on that point, the article certainly needs a rewrite to make it comply with our neutral point of view policy. At present there's far too much primary sourcing of what this guy has said and too little from the necessary reliable secondary sources. — SMALL JIM 00:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. With no clear-cut objections to the move in two and a half weeks, and no conversation in almost that long, I'm carrying this out. McGeddon is seeing to the relevant rewriting involved. -- BDD ( talk) 21:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Borġ in-Nadur apparitions → Angelik Caruana – The visions are only experienced by one person, and the article seems to be as much about Caruana as his visions at Borġ in-Nadur - it mentions other aspects of his life, such as the bleeding statues at his home, the visions at other locations, and his breach of security at the Vatican. If anything the sources refer more to him as a person than to his visions. McGeddon ( talk) 16:48, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
User:Alan347 boldly split this article into a second article at Angelik Caruana, halfway through the above discussion on whether it should be moved to that same destination. Per WP:PROSPLIT, I've reverted it pending consensus that the article needs to be split at all - it's fine to say in the move discussion that you think the article should instead be split, but unhelpful to go ahead and do that unilaterally while the discussion is ongoing. -- McGeddon ( talk) 13:58, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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Has the place been abandoned by pilgrims ? I went there a couple of times. There is the cross and the statue but no people. Also I checked for any trace of water that should have appeared but there is none. Alan347 ( talk) 06:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)