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Hello!
I want to add link to article. It's strict about topic (change boot order and boot from removable device). Also article is well written and has a lot of pictures. It's very close to article on link which already has "Change the Boot Order in BIOS", but I think it digs more deeply and give a lot of examples, therefore it's more useful.
Link: https://123qweasd.com/blog/tech/how-to-boot-from-flash-drive-ultimate-guide/
Loading a kernel Determine the root filesystem Initialize user-land things Interesting combinations
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyvan amel ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 7 July 2006
@
86.181.0.154: In
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Booting&diff=1104676485&oldid=1104489231, 86.181.0.154 changed
circuit board
to circuit board
with the comment A 'printed circuit board' is distinct from a 'circuit board'. No evidence that this board has any printed components on it.
. In
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Booting&diff=1104698231&oldid=1104676485, I reverted the change with the comment Traces are visible on the board
In
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Booting&diff=1105738573&oldid=1104961434, he reinstated the change with the comment Irrelevant. A printed 'circuit' board is once that contains parts of the circuit such as printed on resistors and inductors (though rarely capacitors
.
This assertion conflicts with both Printed circuit board and with the historical usage shown in various dictionaries, e.g., "printed circuit - computer circuit consisting of an electronic sub-assembly; copper conductors are laminated on an insulating board or card and circuit components are inserted into holes and dip soldered". Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 18:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
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Boot is short for bootstrap [1] [2] or bootstrap load and derives from the phrase to pull oneself up by one's bootstraps. [3] [4] The usage calls attention to the requirement that, if most software is loaded onto a computer by other software already running on the computer, some mechanism must exist to load the initial software onto the computer. [5] Early computers used a variety of ad-hoc methods to get a small program into memory to solve this problem. The invention of read-only memory (ROM) of various types solved this paradox by allowing computers to be shipped with a start up program that could not be erased. Growth in the capacity of ROM has allowed ever more elaborate start up procedures to be implemented.
"
The reason this is important is, well ... *why* did people pick "booting" or "bootstrap loading" as the term for this?
Well, it's because you're stuck with this chicken-and-egg problem. And at first sight the only way to get out of it is to somehow magically pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, right? Right?
While the quote and my summary express my intuition on the topic, unfortunately none of these sources actually state the paradox themselves (thus they are insufficient to support the paragraph content). I've even tried using GPT to get a toehold and branch out to find sources that way, but no bueno.
Is my understanding of the etymology wrong? Surely there must be a source somewhere!
Sometimes the most obvious things are the hardest to source! %-/ Help appreciated. -- Kim Bruning ( talk) 11:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hello!
I want to add link to article. It's strict about topic (change boot order and boot from removable device). Also article is well written and has a lot of pictures. It's very close to article on link which already has "Change the Boot Order in BIOS", but I think it digs more deeply and give a lot of examples, therefore it's more useful.
Link: https://123qweasd.com/blog/tech/how-to-boot-from-flash-drive-ultimate-guide/
Loading a kernel Determine the root filesystem Initialize user-land things Interesting combinations
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyvan amel ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 7 July 2006
@
86.181.0.154: In
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Booting&diff=1104676485&oldid=1104489231, 86.181.0.154 changed
circuit board
to circuit board
with the comment A 'printed circuit board' is distinct from a 'circuit board'. No evidence that this board has any printed components on it.
. In
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Booting&diff=1104698231&oldid=1104676485, I reverted the change with the comment Traces are visible on the board
In
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Booting&diff=1105738573&oldid=1104961434, he reinstated the change with the comment Irrelevant. A printed 'circuit' board is once that contains parts of the circuit such as printed on resistors and inductors (though rarely capacitors
.
This assertion conflicts with both Printed circuit board and with the historical usage shown in various dictionaries, e.g., "printed circuit - computer circuit consisting of an electronic sub-assembly; copper conductors are laminated on an insulating board or card and circuit components are inserted into holes and dip soldered". Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 18:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
"
Boot is short for bootstrap [1] [2] or bootstrap load and derives from the phrase to pull oneself up by one's bootstraps. [3] [4] The usage calls attention to the requirement that, if most software is loaded onto a computer by other software already running on the computer, some mechanism must exist to load the initial software onto the computer. [5] Early computers used a variety of ad-hoc methods to get a small program into memory to solve this problem. The invention of read-only memory (ROM) of various types solved this paradox by allowing computers to be shipped with a start up program that could not be erased. Growth in the capacity of ROM has allowed ever more elaborate start up procedures to be implemented.
"
The reason this is important is, well ... *why* did people pick "booting" or "bootstrap loading" as the term for this?
Well, it's because you're stuck with this chicken-and-egg problem. And at first sight the only way to get out of it is to somehow magically pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, right? Right?
While the quote and my summary express my intuition on the topic, unfortunately none of these sources actually state the paradox themselves (thus they are insufficient to support the paragraph content). I've even tried using GPT to get a toehold and branch out to find sources that way, but no bueno.
Is my understanding of the etymology wrong? Surely there must be a source somewhere!
Sometimes the most obvious things are the hardest to source! %-/ Help appreciated. -- Kim Bruning ( talk) 11:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
References