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I really think the gibbet quote is extraneous and belongs only in the B. Arnold article. Anyone think otherwise? If so, why? The quote deals with Arnold and his treason, not the monument.
What is the policy on sources? I added the Randall source after I made the Boot Monument new entry because Randall is where I got the information to begin with. The Sneiderman source has been added without any new information being offered that could have come from it: should it be left in or removed? Troyvarsity ( talk) 13:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
In the A&E Biography of Arnold, a historian says that near the monument is a wooden sign pointing to it that mentions Arnold's name, but that the monument itself does not refer to him because a law was passed by Congress that made it illegal to chisel or engrave Benedict Arnold's name. Anyone have any more info on this? Jimpoz ( talk) 04:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Relativity I have assessed the article as B. I think the criteria are met. I suggest moving the last paragraph of Aftermath to the next section on betrayal. It seems to me to be repetitive where it is now but could be either an introduction to betrayal, or maybe omitted altogether. The section on betrayal seems to be a full explanation of the reason for the odd figure on the monument. I think it can be viewed as satisfactory from that viewpoint. Otherwise, there is a separate in-depth article. Donner60 ( talk) 09:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
I saw this listed for a peer review, but there's one significant issue that needs to be addressed before anything else about the article can be evaluated. Currently, it goes WP:OFFTOPIC by giving more coverage to Arnold than the monument itself. The background section should really only be one or two paragraphs to give the basic context of who Arnold was and what action led to the monument. A good rule to follow is that the information in the article should be found in sources about the monument itself. If something in the article uses a source that has no mention of the monument, the info is probably out of scope. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 19:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Some comments; let me know what you think.
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Overall: @ Relativity: Nice work. ALT0 is good. I'm not sure ALT1 works however as the source only says that it is Arnold's only monument on American soil whereas the hook seems to apply to all American traitors. I also thought of another potential hook that might be decent: ... that a boot is the only monument in the United States to traitor Benedict Arnold because it "was the only part of Arnold not to later turn traitor"? That would require another reviewer, though. Let me know what you think; but ALT0 is good to go. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Boot Monument has been listed as one of the
Art and architecture good articles under the
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please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
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Did you know?" column on
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a boot is the only monument in the United States dedicated to the traitor
Benedict Arnold because it "was the only part of Arnold not to later turn traitor"? |
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I really think the gibbet quote is extraneous and belongs only in the B. Arnold article. Anyone think otherwise? If so, why? The quote deals with Arnold and his treason, not the monument.
What is the policy on sources? I added the Randall source after I made the Boot Monument new entry because Randall is where I got the information to begin with. The Sneiderman source has been added without any new information being offered that could have come from it: should it be left in or removed? Troyvarsity ( talk) 13:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
In the A&E Biography of Arnold, a historian says that near the monument is a wooden sign pointing to it that mentions Arnold's name, but that the monument itself does not refer to him because a law was passed by Congress that made it illegal to chisel or engrave Benedict Arnold's name. Anyone have any more info on this? Jimpoz ( talk) 04:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Relativity I have assessed the article as B. I think the criteria are met. I suggest moving the last paragraph of Aftermath to the next section on betrayal. It seems to me to be repetitive where it is now but could be either an introduction to betrayal, or maybe omitted altogether. The section on betrayal seems to be a full explanation of the reason for the odd figure on the monument. I think it can be viewed as satisfactory from that viewpoint. Otherwise, there is a separate in-depth article. Donner60 ( talk) 09:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
I saw this listed for a peer review, but there's one significant issue that needs to be addressed before anything else about the article can be evaluated. Currently, it goes WP:OFFTOPIC by giving more coverage to Arnold than the monument itself. The background section should really only be one or two paragraphs to give the basic context of who Arnold was and what action led to the monument. A good rule to follow is that the information in the article should be found in sources about the monument itself. If something in the article uses a source that has no mention of the monument, the info is probably out of scope. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 19:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Nominator: Relativity ( talk · contribs) 02:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Harper J. Cole ( talk · contribs) 11:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I'll take on this review. --
Harper J. Cole (
talk) 11:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Some comments; let me know what you think.
Harper J. Cole ( talk) 20:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
AirshipJungleman29
talk 23:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page. Rela tivity ⚡️ 00:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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QPQ: None required. |
Overall: @ Relativity: Nice work. ALT0 is good. I'm not sure ALT1 works however as the source only says that it is Arnold's only monument on American soil whereas the hook seems to apply to all American traitors. I also thought of another potential hook that might be decent: ... that a boot is the only monument in the United States to traitor Benedict Arnold because it "was the only part of Arnold not to later turn traitor"? That would require another reviewer, though. Let me know what you think; but ALT0 is good to go. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)