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I know it seems somewhat silly, but it does seem to be a real joke - different reports give different wording (Attatch/Place/Mount Orbiter Here...), but photos certainly exist and have turned up in reputable works - I don't have my copy to hand, but some poking suggests, there's one in Dennis Jenkins' book.
[1] is another picture - note different style and wording. I suspect the joke has been recreated a couple of different times, possibly on different bits of hardware. Shimgray | talk | 19:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
PLACE ORBITER HERE . . BLACK SIDE DOWN
Here's the image and entry in the article.
It was removed and I'm not sure it should be in there. - Fnlayson 19:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
CAUTION PLACE ORBITER HERE BLACK SIDE DOWN LEFTY LOOSY RIGHTY TIGHTY
http://web2.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5790 -- Vox Rationis ( Talk | contribs) 01:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
-So is there any info that would help us get the "Black side down" joke? Does it refer to some old mistake made by NASA technicians? Please, my head is puzzled over this one! (From what i have understand, this sign REALLY exists on the plane, but i think those who wrote it on the plane did it as a joke...i mean, the pictures are real!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.102.192 ( talk • contribs)
Looks like N911NA's joined the club. The bird was on static display at Wings Over Houston at EFD today. Saw the following on the side of the rear attach struts (on the outboard side of both of them):
Note: Place Orbiter Here Black Side Down
I can provide photos if necessary...and if someone tells me where/how to post them - ASFalcon13, 02:39 23 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.90.157 ( talk)
So, even [ NASA's page on the SCA] says that the cruising speed is Mach 0.6, or 250 knots. This is impossible. Mach 0.6 is 397 knots, and 250 knots is Mach 0.38. Given that it's a 747, I'm going to presume that the mach 0.6 is correct, and I edited that section of the article to reflect that. However, it's difficult to really state categorically that's the situation, since our source is obviously wrong as well. Anyone have a better source? burnte ( talk) 04:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
This image has been removed by an unregistered user saying it is photoshopped. Does anyone know this for sure?-- PremKudva Talk 05:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Just out of interest, I (zeeeter) took the photo of the "in-joke" about the orbiter mount, while I attended the Edwards AFB open day. It's legit. Anyone need the original photograph for pixel by pixel analysis from which you can easily see any edits, along with several other photos I took of the vehicle and event are welcome to contact me directly. That plus the fact that this has clearly been photographed elsewhere should put this to bed hopefully! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeeeter ( talk • contribs) 04:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I can't find any information about what will happen to the SCAs when the shuttle program ends. I found a mention of a proposal to use them as spare parts for the Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy, but the source also says the plan fell through due to uncertainty in the shuttle retirement date. -- Cyrius| ✎ 06:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Self-reverted my WP:BOLD move. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:11, 21 December 2011 (UTC) The Bushranger One ping only 23:11, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Boeing Shuttle Carrier Aircraft → Shuttle Carrier Aircraft – Wikipedia:Naming conventions (aircraft) states that there are exceptions to including the manufacturer name in page titles when the aircraft is very well known without it (for example, in the case of Concorde). This aircraft is far, far more commonly referred to as the "Shuttle Carrier Aircraft" than the "Boeing Shuttle Carrier Aircraft" (compare about 3,000 search results for "Boeing Shuttle Carrier Aircraft" to About 300,000 for "Shuttle Carrier Aircraft". I think WP:COMMONNAME clearly applies, and the exception in the naming conventions should be invoked. -- W. D. Graham (previously GW) 08:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
I believe this list is indeed relevant (and SCA flights were hardly "routine"), however it should be as a breakout page, not as part of this one, I think. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, California issued a Synopsis/Solicitation: NND13480656Q for the assessment, removal and packing of JT9D-7J Engine before the end of the Fiscal Year, the document package can be found at:
< https://prod.nais.nasa.gov/cgibin/eps/sol.cgi?acqid=157033#Other%2002>.
Here is a text from the STATEMENT OF WORK (SOW) Dated 8/2/2013:
"JT9D-7J Engine Assessment Service Contract SOFIA B747-SP N747NA
- Background -
The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) currently operates the Stratospheric Observatory For Infrared Astronomy (SOFIA) aircraft at the Dryden Aircraft Operations Facility (DAOF) located in Palmdale, CA. The aircraft is a unique and highly modified Boeing 747SP which houses a large infrared telescope. The SOFIA program has a planned duration of at least 20 years. In order to ensure that enough usable spare engines are available to meet the program duration, NASA has a requirement to assess the condition of eight JT9D-7J engines currently installed on the two retired Boeing 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA). One Boeing 747 SCA aircraft is located at the DAOF in Palmdale, CA and the other is located at Johnson Space Center, Ellington Field, Houston, TX. All assessments must be conducted at these locations.
- Aircraft Information -
Type Aircraft: Boeing 747
Engine Type: PW JT9D-7J
Location 1: Dryden Aircraft Operations, Palmdale CA
Location 2: Johnson Space Center, Houston TX
- 2.0 Objective -
Provide an assessment for airworthiness including time remaining of eight JT9D-7J aircraft engines. These engines are currently being used on the B747-100/200 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) and are required spares for the SOFIA B747SP aircraft...."
The contract is solicited, bidders respond, one is chosen, and work is done. Also, NASA sometimes issues a Synopses of Contract Award or Press Release. Any on-site pictures and reports from the engine testing and removal would be useful. Testing four engines is going to make a lot of noise for a few days.
Any comments before this is added to the Article SCA wiki page?
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I know it seems somewhat silly, but it does seem to be a real joke - different reports give different wording (Attatch/Place/Mount Orbiter Here...), but photos certainly exist and have turned up in reputable works - I don't have my copy to hand, but some poking suggests, there's one in Dennis Jenkins' book.
[1] is another picture - note different style and wording. I suspect the joke has been recreated a couple of different times, possibly on different bits of hardware. Shimgray | talk | 19:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
PLACE ORBITER HERE . . BLACK SIDE DOWN
Here's the image and entry in the article.
It was removed and I'm not sure it should be in there. - Fnlayson 19:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
CAUTION PLACE ORBITER HERE BLACK SIDE DOWN LEFTY LOOSY RIGHTY TIGHTY
http://web2.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5790 -- Vox Rationis ( Talk | contribs) 01:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
-So is there any info that would help us get the "Black side down" joke? Does it refer to some old mistake made by NASA technicians? Please, my head is puzzled over this one! (From what i have understand, this sign REALLY exists on the plane, but i think those who wrote it on the plane did it as a joke...i mean, the pictures are real!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.102.192 ( talk • contribs)
Looks like N911NA's joined the club. The bird was on static display at Wings Over Houston at EFD today. Saw the following on the side of the rear attach struts (on the outboard side of both of them):
Note: Place Orbiter Here Black Side Down
I can provide photos if necessary...and if someone tells me where/how to post them - ASFalcon13, 02:39 23 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.90.157 ( talk)
So, even [ NASA's page on the SCA] says that the cruising speed is Mach 0.6, or 250 knots. This is impossible. Mach 0.6 is 397 knots, and 250 knots is Mach 0.38. Given that it's a 747, I'm going to presume that the mach 0.6 is correct, and I edited that section of the article to reflect that. However, it's difficult to really state categorically that's the situation, since our source is obviously wrong as well. Anyone have a better source? burnte ( talk) 04:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
This image has been removed by an unregistered user saying it is photoshopped. Does anyone know this for sure?-- PremKudva Talk 05:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Just out of interest, I (zeeeter) took the photo of the "in-joke" about the orbiter mount, while I attended the Edwards AFB open day. It's legit. Anyone need the original photograph for pixel by pixel analysis from which you can easily see any edits, along with several other photos I took of the vehicle and event are welcome to contact me directly. That plus the fact that this has clearly been photographed elsewhere should put this to bed hopefully! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeeeter ( talk • contribs) 04:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I can't find any information about what will happen to the SCAs when the shuttle program ends. I found a mention of a proposal to use them as spare parts for the Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy, but the source also says the plan fell through due to uncertainty in the shuttle retirement date. -- Cyrius| ✎ 06:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Self-reverted my WP:BOLD move. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:11, 21 December 2011 (UTC) The Bushranger One ping only 23:11, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Boeing Shuttle Carrier Aircraft → Shuttle Carrier Aircraft – Wikipedia:Naming conventions (aircraft) states that there are exceptions to including the manufacturer name in page titles when the aircraft is very well known without it (for example, in the case of Concorde). This aircraft is far, far more commonly referred to as the "Shuttle Carrier Aircraft" than the "Boeing Shuttle Carrier Aircraft" (compare about 3,000 search results for "Boeing Shuttle Carrier Aircraft" to About 300,000 for "Shuttle Carrier Aircraft". I think WP:COMMONNAME clearly applies, and the exception in the naming conventions should be invoked. -- W. D. Graham (previously GW) 08:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
I believe this list is indeed relevant (and SCA flights were hardly "routine"), however it should be as a breakout page, not as part of this one, I think. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, California issued a Synopsis/Solicitation: NND13480656Q for the assessment, removal and packing of JT9D-7J Engine before the end of the Fiscal Year, the document package can be found at:
< https://prod.nais.nasa.gov/cgibin/eps/sol.cgi?acqid=157033#Other%2002>.
Here is a text from the STATEMENT OF WORK (SOW) Dated 8/2/2013:
"JT9D-7J Engine Assessment Service Contract SOFIA B747-SP N747NA
- Background -
The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) currently operates the Stratospheric Observatory For Infrared Astronomy (SOFIA) aircraft at the Dryden Aircraft Operations Facility (DAOF) located in Palmdale, CA. The aircraft is a unique and highly modified Boeing 747SP which houses a large infrared telescope. The SOFIA program has a planned duration of at least 20 years. In order to ensure that enough usable spare engines are available to meet the program duration, NASA has a requirement to assess the condition of eight JT9D-7J engines currently installed on the two retired Boeing 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA). One Boeing 747 SCA aircraft is located at the DAOF in Palmdale, CA and the other is located at Johnson Space Center, Ellington Field, Houston, TX. All assessments must be conducted at these locations.
- Aircraft Information -
Type Aircraft: Boeing 747
Engine Type: PW JT9D-7J
Location 1: Dryden Aircraft Operations, Palmdale CA
Location 2: Johnson Space Center, Houston TX
- 2.0 Objective -
Provide an assessment for airworthiness including time remaining of eight JT9D-7J aircraft engines. These engines are currently being used on the B747-100/200 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) and are required spares for the SOFIA B747SP aircraft...."
The contract is solicited, bidders respond, one is chosen, and work is done. Also, NASA sometimes issues a Synopses of Contract Award or Press Release. Any on-site pictures and reports from the engine testing and removal would be useful. Testing four engines is going to make a lot of noise for a few days.
Any comments before this is added to the Article SCA wiki page?
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