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This article includes criticisms phrased as statement of fact. They should be rewritten and set off with a criticism subhead.
User:Jonjayray recently added a long section of criticism lifted from his own writings. I removed it and he immediately put it back, adding a bunch of so-called citations. I was carefully researching how to correctly and objectively remove this incorrect material when an anonymous user User 2.26.182.95 suddenly did remove it adding the rather harsh comment
IAC, these edits showed a lack of objectivity and my removal would have been based on Wikipedia:RELIABLE and Wikipedia:Copyright violations. My research, which I hope will not be necessary now, is shown below. This is just for the record.
There is nothing wrong citing T.W. Adorno although it is hard to see the relevance since his work preceded Altemeyer's by many years.
Several citations are lifted from John Ray's own writings; for example his own review at BOOK REVIEW by John Ray, Enemies of freedom: Understanding Right-wing authoritarianism By R. Altemeyer. Typical copyvios from that source (there are others) are,
These statements are not supported by any objective third party source. According to his website, editor John J Ray is a former member of the Australia-Soviet Friendship Society, former anarcho-capitalist and former member of the British Conservative party. Another quote from Ray on this website is
One begins to suspect carelessness.
Another source Ray used is fringe researcher Michael A. Woodley who publishes in Brain Size A blog about IQ, the brain & success. This blog contains this gem
So much for objective third party sources.
Another cited source is Authoritarianism in the Former Soviet Union by Sam G. McFarland, et al. But McFarland pretty much agrees with Altemeyer. Indeed, on page 3 we find this statement by the authors:
The criticism by Ray contains the statement:
If Ray has some source other than his own opinion for this statement, he does not cite it. Altemeyer himself was perfectly aware of this seeming paradox. On page 10 of [ The Authoritarians] we find this paragraph:
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Bob Altemeyer/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This article links to criticism of Robert Altemeyer's work, by Harvard University and Jon Jay Ray, on an equal basis. Moreover, the fact that the link to Jon Jay Ray's criticism is presented first may even lead some to believe that his judgment is to be preferred. It seems likely that most people are familiar with the stature and reputation of Harvard University but have never [before reading this article] heard of Jon Jay Ray. It therefore seems to be unfair to present the views of Jon Jay Ray without presenting a link to his web site, so that his opinions may be considered within the context of his other writings, and his stature and reputation within the academic community may be evaluated. Doing otherwise seems to amount to including unsourced commentary. Snug 11:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC) |
Substituted at 21:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
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This article includes criticisms phrased as statement of fact. They should be rewritten and set off with a criticism subhead.
User:Jonjayray recently added a long section of criticism lifted from his own writings. I removed it and he immediately put it back, adding a bunch of so-called citations. I was carefully researching how to correctly and objectively remove this incorrect material when an anonymous user User 2.26.182.95 suddenly did remove it adding the rather harsh comment
IAC, these edits showed a lack of objectivity and my removal would have been based on Wikipedia:RELIABLE and Wikipedia:Copyright violations. My research, which I hope will not be necessary now, is shown below. This is just for the record.
There is nothing wrong citing T.W. Adorno although it is hard to see the relevance since his work preceded Altemeyer's by many years.
Several citations are lifted from John Ray's own writings; for example his own review at BOOK REVIEW by John Ray, Enemies of freedom: Understanding Right-wing authoritarianism By R. Altemeyer. Typical copyvios from that source (there are others) are,
These statements are not supported by any objective third party source. According to his website, editor John J Ray is a former member of the Australia-Soviet Friendship Society, former anarcho-capitalist and former member of the British Conservative party. Another quote from Ray on this website is
One begins to suspect carelessness.
Another source Ray used is fringe researcher Michael A. Woodley who publishes in Brain Size A blog about IQ, the brain & success. This blog contains this gem
So much for objective third party sources.
Another cited source is Authoritarianism in the Former Soviet Union by Sam G. McFarland, et al. But McFarland pretty much agrees with Altemeyer. Indeed, on page 3 we find this statement by the authors:
The criticism by Ray contains the statement:
If Ray has some source other than his own opinion for this statement, he does not cite it. Altemeyer himself was perfectly aware of this seeming paradox. On page 10 of [ The Authoritarians] we find this paragraph:
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Bob Altemeyer/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This article links to criticism of Robert Altemeyer's work, by Harvard University and Jon Jay Ray, on an equal basis. Moreover, the fact that the link to Jon Jay Ray's criticism is presented first may even lead some to believe that his judgment is to be preferred. It seems likely that most people are familiar with the stature and reputation of Harvard University but have never [before reading this article] heard of Jon Jay Ray. It therefore seems to be unfair to present the views of Jon Jay Ray without presenting a link to his web site, so that his opinions may be considered within the context of his other writings, and his stature and reputation within the academic community may be evaluated. Doing otherwise seems to amount to including unsourced commentary. Snug 11:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC) |
Substituted at 21:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)