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Used Decisively= will never support — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.151.192 ( talk) 12:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello Todorovichdan and David todorovich,
I have noticed that you started this page and in its current state it is not exactly right for publication at this time. I was wondering if it would be alright if I moved it to our draft space where you can work on it with less risk of it being deleted. Would that be alright? -- Stabila711 ( talk) 07:48, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I saw the banner saying the article may be missing other significant viewpoints. I included a criticism section to try to fix that. It's not particularly good, but I can imagine others can build on it. Pauliexcluded ( talk) 22:25, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The law may have been "heavily criticized because hate crime typically refer to crimes committed against people for their membership in a certain social group such as race, sexual orientation, or gender identity", but such a claim should be qualified (and in any case is very subjective). Only some people may have criticized the law on such grounds. This reason for "heavy" criticism is odd, since to be a policeman is to be a member of a social cohort, just as being of a particular gender identity or religion is. I suggest that the wording should be removed, or changed to "criticized by some people who claim that hate crime should be limited to crimes committed against people for their race, sexual orientation, or gender identity". Royalcourtier ( talk) 20:51, 17 July 2017 (UTC) It is true though, all cops are bastards and if you say they are not. You are justifying a corrupt and racist justice system. Blue lives don't exist unless you are talking about endangered Blue Whales. Anyways BLM! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:D005:2500:497A:D984:CF16:A1F0 ( talk) 23:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The photo in this section [1] showing a masked protester holding a sign reading "F*** Blue Lives Matter" contributes very little to the article and potentially could be viewed as hateful and suggesting violent action. In my opinion, it should simply be removed. Cjs4112020 ( talk) 23:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
The McClatchy source is fine, IP edit warring to keep it out is being silly. All agreed? BullRangifer, Volunteer Marek. PeterTheFourth ( talk) 02:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Since 1990 the majority of police officers killed by extremist groups, 51 deaths, have been killed by white supremacists and far-right organizations.
White supremacist and other far-right extremist groups have killed 51 police officers since 1990, according to a report published by the Anti-Defamation League
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Since 1990 the majority of police officers killed by extremist groups, 51 deaths, have been killed by white supremacists and far-right organizations.
White supremacist and other far-right extremist groups have killed 51 police officers since 1990, according to a report published by the Anti-Defamation League
-- DHeyward ( talk) 07:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
[an] increase in violence against law enforcement “likely” began after the August 2014 shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and subsequent grand jury decision not to indict the police officers involved.It at least correlates to formation of Blue Lives Matter. But nothing is directly tied to it. Certainly nothing related to white supremacists or black identity groups in 1990. -- DHeyward ( talk) 07:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
multiple edits have put this indo not address the NPOV & OR issues. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 08:13, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
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Should this article include the following text or similar?:
Since 1990 the majority of police officers killed by extremist groups, 51 deaths, have been killed by white supremacists and far-right organizations. During the same period left wing and black nationalist extremist groups were responsible for 11 killings.
sourced to McClatchy.
If "yes", should the article include this in the lead section or in the body?
08:18, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I propose that we change the first sentence to read: "Blue Lives Matter is a countermovement in the United States, started in response to Black Lives Matter, that advocates for killings of law enforcement officers to be sentenced as hate crimes." Or something similar to that. The supporting source is: this one from Business Insider.
I hope this proposal is self-explanatory. As currently written, the article is fundamentally flawed because it doesn't say what Blue Lives Matter stands for. How are we serving our readers by having an article about a movement that doesn't explain what the movement stands for? Ironically I discovered that there aren't many reliable sources in this regard. The BI source was the only one I could find. If there are more, by all means use them and adjust the language accordingly. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 20:16, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
“We see anti-black sentiment in the immediate rejoinder to Black Lives Matter that all lives matter, that blue lives matter.” [Robin DiAngelo, in the 2018 book "White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism" in Chapter 6, Anti-Blackness, page 147, Kindle eBook.] I cite this author as an expert in diversity, among other subjects, such as racism. My own study concludes that almost no police department in the USA will allow an official display of the flag of Blue Lives Matter, but I found four exceptions in the Houston area; Fulshear, Katy ISD, Rosenberg, and Alvin. Their websites and/or vehicles feature that flag. On June 10, 2021, it is reported (ABC 13 and several other sources in the Houston area) that Calvin Elmore, age 53, ran a stop sign and was shot to death within a few minutes by a lone police officer. At 44 seconds into the ABC 13 video (now online), we see a Ford F-250 Blue Lives Matter Fulshear Police Department pickup truck among the vehicles at the scene. That department has only 26 police officers. They work with a few nearby law enforcement agencies, including the Katy Police Department and the Rosenberg Police Department. In a 2019 online article, Fulshear Monthly Living, a Fulshear police officer describes the Blue Lives Matter wrap on the pickup truck as "contemporary" and "cool." TravelerEditorRealChanger ( talk) 01:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
"Blue Lives Matter" was created in 2014 as a local support group for the families of two murdered police officers and morphed into a national anti-"Black Lives Matter"/anti-black movement to support the police.Do you have any reliable independent secondary sources that back that up? If so we need to add them. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 20:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Is the following source reliable:
For the cited content:
Blue Lives Matter was formed in reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement, which seeks to end police brutality against the African American community
I do not think this source is reliable, per WP:RSOPINION. The source is blatant advocacy. Reasonable advocacy, but advocacy nonetheless. And it doesn't even say that Blue Lives Matter was formed in reaction to Black Lives Matter. We need a better source for this content. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 20:48, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
I agree that we need a better source, or to remove the claim entirely. DoctorKarpiak ( talk) 23:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm looking for reliable sources that tie the birth of the Blue Lives Matter movement to the deaths of Ramos and Liu. So far the only source I've found that fits the bill is this Daily Dot article. However I don't know if it's reliable, and I'd appreciate help finding more. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 21:23, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Though the lead says the movement is a countermovement to BLM, and thus in opposition to it, the body lacks substantive info on that. Here are some relevant sources that we could use to address this:
EvergreenFir (talk) 07:33, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Critics article could be summarized being 1.identity-politic based (racial survival of black culture), 2.prejudice-based, 3.postmodernism-based (other colors can never truly understand how black feel, let alone see their reality), 4.perpetuating the situation of racial discrimination,
Could anybody please rephrase to make it clear from what ideologies these claims come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:8A60:C000:1:A535:4460:E442:C59D ( talk) 13:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Per the article, I'm unclear: what exactly is the relationship between the origination of Blue Lives Matter, and BLM-NY? The implication seems to be that the latter evolved from the former, but as the page reads it gives the impression that the larger group swiped the founding group's name/meme and ran away with it.
And as others have said, the use of the Thin Blue Line connection seems, at best, utterly specious. It's there to imply support by an older movement, but such a movement doesn't apparently exist: the TBL symbol has variously been used as a banner of defiance by police and also when raising funds for the family of a fallen officer, so there's no endorsement to give and no central group or even single individual to give it. Really, for the purposes of an encyclopedic article, it's irrelevant here.
(Interestingly, "the representations of the public and the criminals as black bars on either side of the blue line are identical, and suggest that the symbology represents a police vs. everyone else mindset.")
I went to the BLM-NY Facebook page @bluematters seeking to verify that Sutton is still the national spokesman. There seems to be no listing of human beings, like who the actual leaders are (much less how the positions are attained). Unless this is cleared up, I'd have to conclude that BLM-NY is nothing more than clickbait, not unlike the various "movements" dreamt up by the Red trollfarms.
The Facebook account is operated by DefenseMaven.io, which is the first domain I've ever seen registered in the British Indian Ocean Territory. DM seems to be a sort of ersatz Jane's Weapons aimed at semiliterate armchair generals and similar wankers, and really not likely to be some sort of nonprofit group.
That Facebook space is largely not about dead (or even injured) law-enforcement officers, but about the various ways in which ravening criminals are freely roaming the streets of America, so presenting cops as a sort of Maginot Line (look it up) that has apparently SUCKED up to this point and allowed the country to go to Hell while they were out doing whatever it is they actually do. Maybe that's not the impression that most law-enforcement officers would intend to make upon the public, eh?
In Thin Blue Line, I find a comment relevant to the present topic:
Does anyone know why this call-to-mayhem image has been overlooked here?
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The "Thin Blue Line" flag image and symbology is erroneously placed on this page. It is misleading and should be removed. There is no referenced or formal association with Blue Lives Matter and the "Thin Blue Line" flag of any kind. The accurate "logo" of this movement or its symbol is on the Blue Lives Matter page cited in reference 12. https://bluelivesmatternyc.org/ The IPA ( talk) 20:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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(contrib) 02:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)I'd say it should be vote though, since symbols are more about outsider perception n what they'd connect to BluLM.
If we vote, I say yes change it. Kysier ( talk) 23:26, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
The flag symbol should not have been removed and should be restored. It has been associated with Blue Lives Matter since its early days, and is still used by Blue Lives Matter today as can be seen in the t-shirt sales as pointed out by Roxolan. The assertion that the blue line symbol predates Blue Lives Matter by 100 years falsely equates the phrase "thin blue line" with the symbol of a blue stripe on an otherwise monochrome US flag. This page is about a "countermovement" not a specific legal entity. The assertion by The IPA that the use of the symbol should be judged only by its placement on https://bluelivesmatternyc.org/ ignores the many other sites affiliated with the movement which use the symbol prominantly such as https://twitter.com/bluelivesmtr and https://www.facebook.com/bluematters/. Kenbrey ( talk) 05:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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Can you pls make Wikipedia not able to be edited by others and can u write black instead of blue because this is very crucial and serious, so it should not be made fun of . 2001:8003:C8A7:6001:B9A8:2797:971B:31FE ( talk) 08:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change name to ‘Fuck the Police’ Diehdowbdosbwosbdekd ( talk) 13:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change the opening paragraph to the official mission of the organization “ Our Mission We are Blue Lives Matter NYC, a registered 501(c)3 nonprofit organization created to help Law Enforcement Officers and their families during their time of need. Members of the organization are both police officers and members from other state and federal agencies that are dedicated to making a difference and demonstrating that "BLUE LIVES MATTER"
Our mission :
To raise awareness and enlist the public's aid for the needs of Police Officers. To help Police Officers and assist each other. To provide a Police Officers family with comfort and support as they go through hard times.” 68.195.79.168 ( talk) 20:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I see that Blue Lives Matter has been described as far-right. However, while it has been used by some right-wing extremists, not one of the four bare links provided to support the claim specifically states that the countermovement is far-right. I need some opinions on what to do about it. Free Media Kid! 04:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
bluelivesmatter.blue redirects to https://policetribune.com/. I think editors should use that website when they want to add citation / reference. Social movement is a general trend, rather than a specific person / organization. There might be more websites in the world promoting for the protection of police lives. Malairen ( talk) 09:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Blue Lives Matter has a blue U.S. Flag with a blue line. Doremon764 ( talk) 00:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nowhere in [ 4 of U.S. Code] does it entitle police officers, firefighters, veterans or anyone else to bastardize the United States of America flag [1]. Instead it indicates that doing so is at best disrespectful and at worst disregardful of U.S. laws. Squeeky Longhair ( talk) 18:43, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
The last paragraph in Criticism section currently read "Nowhere in Title 4 of U.S. Code does it entitle police officers, firefighters, veterans or anyone else to bastardize the United States of America flag. Instead it indicates that doing so is at best disrespectful and at worst disregardful of U.S. laws"
What exactly is the purpose of this paragraph? It reeks of blatant partisan political agenda and doesn't even fit in with the overall flow of section. I propose to remove this paragraph. I will try to do that myself if I don't see it removed. Spheromakquanta ( talk) 08:04, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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Blue lives matter means: Officers of our nation lives matter 2600:1700:6BF8:2850:5579:AE8F:D7B2:6841 ( talk) 03:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Well there is a logo for Blue Lives matter/ Back the Blue in my area that looks like this. I was wondering if it should be added to this page.
ChiserYT ( talk) 15:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
The criticism is poorly worded, biased, and should be explained more thoroughly as it is very misleading and contradictory to the actual history and original intentions of the movement, feeding polarization and possible misinformation 73.223.156.153 ( talk) 10:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
My community does not agree with Wikipedia beginning the definition of "blue lives matter," with the following hard words: "countermovement [to those prosecuted]," is absolutely disregarding the integration and overall best nature of diligent local and federal law enforcement officers who uphold the constitution. 2601:240:CE03:6CC0:254D:35F0:47AC:E208 ( talk) 06:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
The following needs to be removed immediately from the WIKI page, due to lack of foundation, clarity and purpose: "This law has been heavily criticized for weakening the impact of the Hate Crimes Act by adding categories of people who are already better protected under other laws and characterized by their career choice instead of people who actually need the Act's protection, i.e. people persecuted due to lifelong personal characteristics they cannot choose such as race, sexual orientation, and gender identity." 2601:240:CE03:6CC0:8574:4E84:FBF7:49EA ( talk) 06:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
I find the current wording to have POV issues. For one its frontloads a massive paragraph of criticism for the movement in the heading, which could be summed up in one sentence. Second the wording at time applies that this is an official group as opposed to a loose movement of people who rally around certain symbols and slogans. I believe the wording I used has less bias. 3Kingdoms ( talk) 15:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
I'd fix this myself but apparently I'm not among the trusted few ... there's a typo in the last sentence of the opening section; THAT should be THAN ...
"They add that attacking or killing a police officer already carries a higher penalty THAT attacking a non-police officer, and argue that the movement is really more about suppressing minorities than supporting law enforcement." Ki4ggx ( talk) 20:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
We should remove the paragraph about criticism at the beginning. Don't we already have a section for Criticism of the Blue Lives Matter movement? It is detrimental to the page to have this and it should be removed as soon as possible. 2601:600:c87f:2310:c071:637c:33fc:56da 2023 October 8, 22:29 (UTC)
In short, most of this falls under WP:BLUESKY, and adding the "argue" was only put there to give the impression that these facts are in doubt. They are not. Wes sideman ( talk) 13:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Often entire paragraphs have no citations, like the second one.
I'd give more specifics but that would be a bit generous for such a lazy bunch of "editors." 2603:7081:1603:A300:F12B:7FA3:29AF:8D5E ( talk) 05:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
is this the norm now on wikipedia? 202.89.148.53 ( talk) 04:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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Used Decisively= will never support — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.151.192 ( talk) 12:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello Todorovichdan and David todorovich,
I have noticed that you started this page and in its current state it is not exactly right for publication at this time. I was wondering if it would be alright if I moved it to our draft space where you can work on it with less risk of it being deleted. Would that be alright? -- Stabila711 ( talk) 07:48, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I saw the banner saying the article may be missing other significant viewpoints. I included a criticism section to try to fix that. It's not particularly good, but I can imagine others can build on it. Pauliexcluded ( talk) 22:25, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The law may have been "heavily criticized because hate crime typically refer to crimes committed against people for their membership in a certain social group such as race, sexual orientation, or gender identity", but such a claim should be qualified (and in any case is very subjective). Only some people may have criticized the law on such grounds. This reason for "heavy" criticism is odd, since to be a policeman is to be a member of a social cohort, just as being of a particular gender identity or religion is. I suggest that the wording should be removed, or changed to "criticized by some people who claim that hate crime should be limited to crimes committed against people for their race, sexual orientation, or gender identity". Royalcourtier ( talk) 20:51, 17 July 2017 (UTC) It is true though, all cops are bastards and if you say they are not. You are justifying a corrupt and racist justice system. Blue lives don't exist unless you are talking about endangered Blue Whales. Anyways BLM! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:D005:2500:497A:D984:CF16:A1F0 ( talk) 23:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The photo in this section [1] showing a masked protester holding a sign reading "F*** Blue Lives Matter" contributes very little to the article and potentially could be viewed as hateful and suggesting violent action. In my opinion, it should simply be removed. Cjs4112020 ( talk) 23:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
The McClatchy source is fine, IP edit warring to keep it out is being silly. All agreed? BullRangifer, Volunteer Marek. PeterTheFourth ( talk) 02:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Since 1990 the majority of police officers killed by extremist groups, 51 deaths, have been killed by white supremacists and far-right organizations.
White supremacist and other far-right extremist groups have killed 51 police officers since 1990, according to a report published by the Anti-Defamation League
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Since 1990 the majority of police officers killed by extremist groups, 51 deaths, have been killed by white supremacists and far-right organizations.
White supremacist and other far-right extremist groups have killed 51 police officers since 1990, according to a report published by the Anti-Defamation League
-- DHeyward ( talk) 07:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
[an] increase in violence against law enforcement “likely” began after the August 2014 shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and subsequent grand jury decision not to indict the police officers involved.It at least correlates to formation of Blue Lives Matter. But nothing is directly tied to it. Certainly nothing related to white supremacists or black identity groups in 1990. -- DHeyward ( talk) 07:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
multiple edits have put this indo not address the NPOV & OR issues. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 08:13, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
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Should this article include the following text or similar?:
Since 1990 the majority of police officers killed by extremist groups, 51 deaths, have been killed by white supremacists and far-right organizations. During the same period left wing and black nationalist extremist groups were responsible for 11 killings.
sourced to McClatchy.
If "yes", should the article include this in the lead section or in the body?
08:18, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I propose that we change the first sentence to read: "Blue Lives Matter is a countermovement in the United States, started in response to Black Lives Matter, that advocates for killings of law enforcement officers to be sentenced as hate crimes." Or something similar to that. The supporting source is: this one from Business Insider.
I hope this proposal is self-explanatory. As currently written, the article is fundamentally flawed because it doesn't say what Blue Lives Matter stands for. How are we serving our readers by having an article about a movement that doesn't explain what the movement stands for? Ironically I discovered that there aren't many reliable sources in this regard. The BI source was the only one I could find. If there are more, by all means use them and adjust the language accordingly. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 20:16, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
“We see anti-black sentiment in the immediate rejoinder to Black Lives Matter that all lives matter, that blue lives matter.” [Robin DiAngelo, in the 2018 book "White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism" in Chapter 6, Anti-Blackness, page 147, Kindle eBook.] I cite this author as an expert in diversity, among other subjects, such as racism. My own study concludes that almost no police department in the USA will allow an official display of the flag of Blue Lives Matter, but I found four exceptions in the Houston area; Fulshear, Katy ISD, Rosenberg, and Alvin. Their websites and/or vehicles feature that flag. On June 10, 2021, it is reported (ABC 13 and several other sources in the Houston area) that Calvin Elmore, age 53, ran a stop sign and was shot to death within a few minutes by a lone police officer. At 44 seconds into the ABC 13 video (now online), we see a Ford F-250 Blue Lives Matter Fulshear Police Department pickup truck among the vehicles at the scene. That department has only 26 police officers. They work with a few nearby law enforcement agencies, including the Katy Police Department and the Rosenberg Police Department. In a 2019 online article, Fulshear Monthly Living, a Fulshear police officer describes the Blue Lives Matter wrap on the pickup truck as "contemporary" and "cool." TravelerEditorRealChanger ( talk) 01:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
"Blue Lives Matter" was created in 2014 as a local support group for the families of two murdered police officers and morphed into a national anti-"Black Lives Matter"/anti-black movement to support the police.Do you have any reliable independent secondary sources that back that up? If so we need to add them. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 20:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Is the following source reliable:
For the cited content:
Blue Lives Matter was formed in reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement, which seeks to end police brutality against the African American community
I do not think this source is reliable, per WP:RSOPINION. The source is blatant advocacy. Reasonable advocacy, but advocacy nonetheless. And it doesn't even say that Blue Lives Matter was formed in reaction to Black Lives Matter. We need a better source for this content. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 20:48, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
I agree that we need a better source, or to remove the claim entirely. DoctorKarpiak ( talk) 23:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm looking for reliable sources that tie the birth of the Blue Lives Matter movement to the deaths of Ramos and Liu. So far the only source I've found that fits the bill is this Daily Dot article. However I don't know if it's reliable, and I'd appreciate help finding more. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 21:23, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Though the lead says the movement is a countermovement to BLM, and thus in opposition to it, the body lacks substantive info on that. Here are some relevant sources that we could use to address this:
EvergreenFir (talk) 07:33, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Critics article could be summarized being 1.identity-politic based (racial survival of black culture), 2.prejudice-based, 3.postmodernism-based (other colors can never truly understand how black feel, let alone see their reality), 4.perpetuating the situation of racial discrimination,
Could anybody please rephrase to make it clear from what ideologies these claims come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:8A60:C000:1:A535:4460:E442:C59D ( talk) 13:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Per the article, I'm unclear: what exactly is the relationship between the origination of Blue Lives Matter, and BLM-NY? The implication seems to be that the latter evolved from the former, but as the page reads it gives the impression that the larger group swiped the founding group's name/meme and ran away with it.
And as others have said, the use of the Thin Blue Line connection seems, at best, utterly specious. It's there to imply support by an older movement, but such a movement doesn't apparently exist: the TBL symbol has variously been used as a banner of defiance by police and also when raising funds for the family of a fallen officer, so there's no endorsement to give and no central group or even single individual to give it. Really, for the purposes of an encyclopedic article, it's irrelevant here.
(Interestingly, "the representations of the public and the criminals as black bars on either side of the blue line are identical, and suggest that the symbology represents a police vs. everyone else mindset.")
I went to the BLM-NY Facebook page @bluematters seeking to verify that Sutton is still the national spokesman. There seems to be no listing of human beings, like who the actual leaders are (much less how the positions are attained). Unless this is cleared up, I'd have to conclude that BLM-NY is nothing more than clickbait, not unlike the various "movements" dreamt up by the Red trollfarms.
The Facebook account is operated by DefenseMaven.io, which is the first domain I've ever seen registered in the British Indian Ocean Territory. DM seems to be a sort of ersatz Jane's Weapons aimed at semiliterate armchair generals and similar wankers, and really not likely to be some sort of nonprofit group.
That Facebook space is largely not about dead (or even injured) law-enforcement officers, but about the various ways in which ravening criminals are freely roaming the streets of America, so presenting cops as a sort of Maginot Line (look it up) that has apparently SUCKED up to this point and allowed the country to go to Hell while they were out doing whatever it is they actually do. Maybe that's not the impression that most law-enforcement officers would intend to make upon the public, eh?
In Thin Blue Line, I find a comment relevant to the present topic:
Does anyone know why this call-to-mayhem image has been overlooked here?
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The "Thin Blue Line" flag image and symbology is erroneously placed on this page. It is misleading and should be removed. There is no referenced or formal association with Blue Lives Matter and the "Thin Blue Line" flag of any kind. The accurate "logo" of this movement or its symbol is on the Blue Lives Matter page cited in reference 12. https://bluelivesmatternyc.org/ The IPA ( talk) 20:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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If we vote, I say yes change it. Kysier ( talk) 23:26, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
The flag symbol should not have been removed and should be restored. It has been associated with Blue Lives Matter since its early days, and is still used by Blue Lives Matter today as can be seen in the t-shirt sales as pointed out by Roxolan. The assertion that the blue line symbol predates Blue Lives Matter by 100 years falsely equates the phrase "thin blue line" with the symbol of a blue stripe on an otherwise monochrome US flag. This page is about a "countermovement" not a specific legal entity. The assertion by The IPA that the use of the symbol should be judged only by its placement on https://bluelivesmatternyc.org/ ignores the many other sites affiliated with the movement which use the symbol prominantly such as https://twitter.com/bluelivesmtr and https://www.facebook.com/bluematters/. Kenbrey ( talk) 05:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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Can you pls make Wikipedia not able to be edited by others and can u write black instead of blue because this is very crucial and serious, so it should not be made fun of . 2001:8003:C8A7:6001:B9A8:2797:971B:31FE ( talk) 08:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes Diehdowbdosbwosbdekd ( talk) 13:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change name to ‘Fuck the Police’ Diehdowbdosbwosbdekd ( talk) 13:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change the opening paragraph to the official mission of the organization “ Our Mission We are Blue Lives Matter NYC, a registered 501(c)3 nonprofit organization created to help Law Enforcement Officers and their families during their time of need. Members of the organization are both police officers and members from other state and federal agencies that are dedicated to making a difference and demonstrating that "BLUE LIVES MATTER"
Our mission :
To raise awareness and enlist the public's aid for the needs of Police Officers. To help Police Officers and assist each other. To provide a Police Officers family with comfort and support as they go through hard times.” 68.195.79.168 ( talk) 20:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I see that Blue Lives Matter has been described as far-right. However, while it has been used by some right-wing extremists, not one of the four bare links provided to support the claim specifically states that the countermovement is far-right. I need some opinions on what to do about it. Free Media Kid! 04:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
bluelivesmatter.blue redirects to https://policetribune.com/. I think editors should use that website when they want to add citation / reference. Social movement is a general trend, rather than a specific person / organization. There might be more websites in the world promoting for the protection of police lives. Malairen ( talk) 09:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Blue Lives Matter has a blue U.S. Flag with a blue line. Doremon764 ( talk) 00:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nowhere in [ 4 of U.S. Code] does it entitle police officers, firefighters, veterans or anyone else to bastardize the United States of America flag [1]. Instead it indicates that doing so is at best disrespectful and at worst disregardful of U.S. laws. Squeeky Longhair ( talk) 18:43, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
The last paragraph in Criticism section currently read "Nowhere in Title 4 of U.S. Code does it entitle police officers, firefighters, veterans or anyone else to bastardize the United States of America flag. Instead it indicates that doing so is at best disrespectful and at worst disregardful of U.S. laws"
What exactly is the purpose of this paragraph? It reeks of blatant partisan political agenda and doesn't even fit in with the overall flow of section. I propose to remove this paragraph. I will try to do that myself if I don't see it removed. Spheromakquanta ( talk) 08:04, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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Blue lives matter means: Officers of our nation lives matter 2600:1700:6BF8:2850:5579:AE8F:D7B2:6841 ( talk) 03:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Well there is a logo for Blue Lives matter/ Back the Blue in my area that looks like this. I was wondering if it should be added to this page.
ChiserYT ( talk) 15:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
The criticism is poorly worded, biased, and should be explained more thoroughly as it is very misleading and contradictory to the actual history and original intentions of the movement, feeding polarization and possible misinformation 73.223.156.153 ( talk) 10:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
My community does not agree with Wikipedia beginning the definition of "blue lives matter," with the following hard words: "countermovement [to those prosecuted]," is absolutely disregarding the integration and overall best nature of diligent local and federal law enforcement officers who uphold the constitution. 2601:240:CE03:6CC0:254D:35F0:47AC:E208 ( talk) 06:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
The following needs to be removed immediately from the WIKI page, due to lack of foundation, clarity and purpose: "This law has been heavily criticized for weakening the impact of the Hate Crimes Act by adding categories of people who are already better protected under other laws and characterized by their career choice instead of people who actually need the Act's protection, i.e. people persecuted due to lifelong personal characteristics they cannot choose such as race, sexual orientation, and gender identity." 2601:240:CE03:6CC0:8574:4E84:FBF7:49EA ( talk) 06:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
I find the current wording to have POV issues. For one its frontloads a massive paragraph of criticism for the movement in the heading, which could be summed up in one sentence. Second the wording at time applies that this is an official group as opposed to a loose movement of people who rally around certain symbols and slogans. I believe the wording I used has less bias. 3Kingdoms ( talk) 15:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
I'd fix this myself but apparently I'm not among the trusted few ... there's a typo in the last sentence of the opening section; THAT should be THAN ...
"They add that attacking or killing a police officer already carries a higher penalty THAT attacking a non-police officer, and argue that the movement is really more about suppressing minorities than supporting law enforcement." Ki4ggx ( talk) 20:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
We should remove the paragraph about criticism at the beginning. Don't we already have a section for Criticism of the Blue Lives Matter movement? It is detrimental to the page to have this and it should be removed as soon as possible. 2601:600:c87f:2310:c071:637c:33fc:56da 2023 October 8, 22:29 (UTC)
In short, most of this falls under WP:BLUESKY, and adding the "argue" was only put there to give the impression that these facts are in doubt. They are not. Wes sideman ( talk) 13:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Often entire paragraphs have no citations, like the second one.
I'd give more specifics but that would be a bit generous for such a lazy bunch of "editors." 2603:7081:1603:A300:F12B:7FA3:29AF:8D5E ( talk) 05:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
is this the norm now on wikipedia? 202.89.148.53 ( talk) 04:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)