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While it's possible to locate their birth name, they were not notable (beyond their local area at least) under it, and so references to public material with useful info about their life may still be OK even if it includes their birth name, but as User:Ezlev points out, it shouldn't really be included in the article as per MOS:DEADNAME and privacy concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.251.174.199 ( talk) 14:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
The article states both September and October. Which is it? Lard Almighty ( talk) 19:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Are there any photos which are freely available of Blu and as such permissible for use on wikimedia and wikipedia? I'm no expert at finding the licensing on photos etc. but it would be a nice addition to the page? 176.251.174.199 ( talk) 22:41, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
The article currently states that Barrio 'goes by' they/them pronouns. I think the sentence should probably be "Their pronouns are they/them." Moreover, they don't 'identify' as non-binary. They are non-binary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:F032:CB00:5D7:F21B:A1B6:13BE ( talk) 18:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
A number of the sources refer to Blu by a name that I guess is assumed to be their birth name. (I won't mention that name here out of respect for Blu.) I don't think we should be including such sources, not least because we have no way to verify that this is indeed referring to the same person and so these sources cannot pass WP:V. Kidburla ( talk) 12:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Oversight has been requested to permanently remove/hide the frankly disgusting
original research (and possible
dead naming) of the subject of this
BLP. This is an encyclopaedia; not some trashy blog or a bunch of pals chatting on Facebook or down the pub. Have some respect for the subject, the project and yourselves.
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Fred Gandt ·
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23:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Blu changed their name: yes; from what?
they didn't just spring into existence: obviously.
which had accomplishments: such as?
They seem to be reasonably well referenced: not one removed reference mentions Blu del Barrio by name or clear reference. Your turn.
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Fred Gandt ·
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Again I must ask (without publishing any more of the problem of course) for evidence that those sources are about Blu del Barrio; without that evidence, it is original research.
Fred Gandt ·
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13:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
I think the shit may have
just hit the fan.
Fred Gandt ·
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10:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
I nearly lost my shit when my browser decided to play silly buggers and trashed an hour of work (I keep a backup copy in a text file while I work in case of these things but still...) so am a nervous wreck and really quite tired and am going to play
Dishonored for a while before baking some biscuits... This isn't a
WP:FORUM; get to the point. I have left the lead woefully short for now; if no one else wants to have a go at it, I will later or tomorrow. There's plenty to pull from for at least a couple more sentences.
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The official StarTrek Twitter account wished Blu del Barrio happy birthday on September 15 this year, and they responded positively.
[1] What do we think of this as a source? Perhaps tagged with {{
better source needed}} in the hope of getting one?
Fred Gandt ·
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05:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry; I should clarify; simple math is acceptable within reason (i.e. although original research it's considered fine;
WP:COUNTSORT (essay)) so combining knowledge of age from multiple sources, with the month and day from Twitter, gives us (with simple math) the birth date, complete with year.
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This part is erroneous: "playing the first non-binary role in Star Trek." Barrio is the second person to play a non-binary character in Star Trek.
The first non-binary character was in Star Trek The Next Generation Season 5, Episode 17 ( /info/en/?search=The_Outcast_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)). Melinda Culea ( /info/en/?search=Melinda_Culea) played the non-binary character Soren.
Since the bio is locked, can someone please correct this please? Thanks. NewEditor101101001 ( talk) 23:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
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01:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Move Dirty Laundry appearance into television section instead of web section, it is not a web series. Dirty Laundry is hosted on a streaming service available as a mobile and TV app, and is not on YouTube as a free episode on the Dropout channel. It has no reason to be in web appearances. FizzleDrunk ( talk) 18:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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While it's possible to locate their birth name, they were not notable (beyond their local area at least) under it, and so references to public material with useful info about their life may still be OK even if it includes their birth name, but as User:Ezlev points out, it shouldn't really be included in the article as per MOS:DEADNAME and privacy concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.251.174.199 ( talk) 14:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
The article states both September and October. Which is it? Lard Almighty ( talk) 19:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Are there any photos which are freely available of Blu and as such permissible for use on wikimedia and wikipedia? I'm no expert at finding the licensing on photos etc. but it would be a nice addition to the page? 176.251.174.199 ( talk) 22:41, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
The article currently states that Barrio 'goes by' they/them pronouns. I think the sentence should probably be "Their pronouns are they/them." Moreover, they don't 'identify' as non-binary. They are non-binary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:F032:CB00:5D7:F21B:A1B6:13BE ( talk) 18:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
A number of the sources refer to Blu by a name that I guess is assumed to be their birth name. (I won't mention that name here out of respect for Blu.) I don't think we should be including such sources, not least because we have no way to verify that this is indeed referring to the same person and so these sources cannot pass WP:V. Kidburla ( talk) 12:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Oversight has been requested to permanently remove/hide the frankly disgusting
original research (and possible
dead naming) of the subject of this
BLP. This is an encyclopaedia; not some trashy blog or a bunch of pals chatting on Facebook or down the pub. Have some respect for the subject, the project and yourselves.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
22:49, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
23:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Blu changed their name: yes; from what?
they didn't just spring into existence: obviously.
which had accomplishments: such as?
They seem to be reasonably well referenced: not one removed reference mentions Blu del Barrio by name or clear reference. Your turn.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
23:39, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
13:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Again I must ask (without publishing any more of the problem of course) for evidence that those sources are about Blu del Barrio; without that evidence, it is original research.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
13:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
I think the shit may have
just hit the fan.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
10:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
I nearly lost my shit when my browser decided to play silly buggers and trashed an hour of work (I keep a backup copy in a text file while I work in case of these things but still...) so am a nervous wreck and really quite tired and am going to play
Dishonored for a while before baking some biscuits... This isn't a
WP:FORUM; get to the point. I have left the lead woefully short for now; if no one else wants to have a go at it, I will later or tomorrow. There's plenty to pull from for at least a couple more sentences.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
19:54, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
The official StarTrek Twitter account wished Blu del Barrio happy birthday on September 15 this year, and they responded positively.
[1] What do we think of this as a source? Perhaps tagged with {{
better source needed}} in the hope of getting one?
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
05:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry; I should clarify; simple math is acceptable within reason (i.e. although original research it's considered fine;
WP:COUNTSORT (essay)) so combining knowledge of age from multiple sources, with the month and day from Twitter, gives us (with simple math) the birth date, complete with year.
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
05:42, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
12:25, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
04:22, 2 January 2023 (UTC)References
This part is erroneous: "playing the first non-binary role in Star Trek." Barrio is the second person to play a non-binary character in Star Trek.
The first non-binary character was in Star Trek The Next Generation Season 5, Episode 17 ( /info/en/?search=The_Outcast_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)). Melinda Culea ( /info/en/?search=Melinda_Culea) played the non-binary character Soren.
Since the bio is locked, can someone please correct this please? Thanks. NewEditor101101001 ( talk) 23:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Fred Gandt ·
talk ·
contribs
01:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Move Dirty Laundry appearance into television section instead of web section, it is not a web series. Dirty Laundry is hosted on a streaming service available as a mobile and TV app, and is not on YouTube as a free episode on the Dropout channel. It has no reason to be in web appearances. FizzleDrunk ( talk) 18:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)