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Coalition you call "Russian" called itself "Helloween Coalition". According to your logic CFC should be called "Americans". Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:1046:0:BE30:5BFF:FEDB:5761 ( talk) 15:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Does this really deserve its own page? While it was a big deal in the Eve Online universe it doesn't have any notable effects outside of the game. I can't see any prior art for in-game events having their own pages - the closest I could find was Corrupted Blood incident, but that is mostly notable because its a study case for real world epidemiology. IMO at best this should be the inaugural section of an in-game history section or page. Binkyuk ( talk) 17:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The battle did not cost $300,000. All the dollar values are speculative and theoretical, based on the fact you can sell game time (PLEX) to other players for in game currency. I've edited the article to reflect this, as it was entirely misleading and very inaccurate. Very few, if any at all of the ships lost cost anything "real world". The values were just thrown about by media for sensationalism. Xaerael ( talk) 13:40, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to move this page to Battle of B-R5RB, as bloodbath sounds too in-universe. Any objections? Skrelk ( talk) 18:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me this article need to be re-written to focus on those things the WP:RS report on (economic losses, number of humans involved) not on the trivialities of the game itself (parties involved, details of POS losses), those things are beter suited for and EVE specific wiki. CombatWombat42 ( talk) 18:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Its not in-universe because the event isn't fictional. A virtual battle between players really happened. Probably the most straightforward way of thinking of it is in terms of sport. A description of a game may get rather jargon heavy but that is an issue of poor use of language rather than a problem with it being in-universe. ©Geni ( talk) 01:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Indeed, many elements of the fight that I suspect you consider "in-universe" are in fact real. For example the player organisations like the CFC and PL are groups of people that play computer games together and are therefore as "real" as my local chess club. The "battle" is real in the sense that any competitive confrontation between people can be referred to as a "battle" (ie "courtroom battle") even though it's not physical, and by the same logic the "Halloween War" is similarly real. There are some in-universe elements like "space station", "spaceships" and "B-R5RB star system" that are referred to as real objects when they aren't, but I think this is fine. The first few lines already establish that this is a virtual battle in the eve online universe; it's no worse than stating "Black's Queen attacks White's King", provided you've already established that you're talking about a game of chess. Qualifying these terms with "in-game" or "virtual" would just be a waste of words. Binkyuk ( talk) 11:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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While it's not bad content, I'm wary of this article turning in to a neverending future history of EVE Online if we keep extending the Aftermath section for every new development. The secondary sources that provide notability (which TMC isn't one of, since it's a single issue news site. It's ok to cite from there, but coverage by TMC doesn't make something notable) only covered the battle itself. I think it might be wiser to draw a line under things a few days after the battle, or we're in danger of becoming an eve fansite. Binkyuk ( talk) 17:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Someone needs to check the numbers on this, but I believe the battle on Serenity that happened shortly after this fight was bigger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Throsturth ( talk • contribs) 23:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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I remember reading about this on the news back in the day. Never played Eve, but I love space MMOs and always wanted to play it! I'll have this finished soon.
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I'll leave this on hold until all of the above have been addressed. It was an interesting read! I wish I could get Eve Online.
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17:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
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This article could add more information seen in the YouTube video "Bloodbath of B-R5RB from eyes of aggressor." Such as Pandemic legion focused on destroying super-capitals while ClusterFuck combined multiple Titans (to overcome long reloads due to time dilation) to kill a Pandemic legion titan. It can additionally add information of why the main battle-field looks like it does (the ships being in a big messy sphere of ships) as that is a frequent question that pops up--the answer would be that since ClusterFuck wrecking ball causes a defensive sphere; Pandemic legion forced ships in to it to neutralize it thus leaving a spherical battle-field. I had considered adding but this site's too anal 'bout needing sources and for some reason a forum isn't as valued as a commercial/media/report article. -- 94.234.36.106 ( talk) 12:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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I think the article needs to be reassessed on Good Article status. While the battle is probably notable, the article fails the Good Article criteria of being understandable to a wide audience and balanced in coverage. It cites a single primary source no less than 22 times and goes heavily into the minutia of the battle that is largely relevant to fans. It only has a couple of sentences about the battle's real-world relevance such as making money for CCP Games. It requires major cleanup to stress why the battle does not fail WP:INDISCRIMINATE and had long-term effects. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 18:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Zxcvbnm, I've made some changes. What are your thoughts so far?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:10, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Ok, anything else?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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Coalition you call "Russian" called itself "Helloween Coalition". According to your logic CFC should be called "Americans". Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:1046:0:BE30:5BFF:FEDB:5761 ( talk) 15:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Does this really deserve its own page? While it was a big deal in the Eve Online universe it doesn't have any notable effects outside of the game. I can't see any prior art for in-game events having their own pages - the closest I could find was Corrupted Blood incident, but that is mostly notable because its a study case for real world epidemiology. IMO at best this should be the inaugural section of an in-game history section or page. Binkyuk ( talk) 17:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The battle did not cost $300,000. All the dollar values are speculative and theoretical, based on the fact you can sell game time (PLEX) to other players for in game currency. I've edited the article to reflect this, as it was entirely misleading and very inaccurate. Very few, if any at all of the ships lost cost anything "real world". The values were just thrown about by media for sensationalism. Xaerael ( talk) 13:40, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to move this page to Battle of B-R5RB, as bloodbath sounds too in-universe. Any objections? Skrelk ( talk) 18:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me this article need to be re-written to focus on those things the WP:RS report on (economic losses, number of humans involved) not on the trivialities of the game itself (parties involved, details of POS losses), those things are beter suited for and EVE specific wiki. CombatWombat42 ( talk) 18:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Its not in-universe because the event isn't fictional. A virtual battle between players really happened. Probably the most straightforward way of thinking of it is in terms of sport. A description of a game may get rather jargon heavy but that is an issue of poor use of language rather than a problem with it being in-universe. ©Geni ( talk) 01:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Indeed, many elements of the fight that I suspect you consider "in-universe" are in fact real. For example the player organisations like the CFC and PL are groups of people that play computer games together and are therefore as "real" as my local chess club. The "battle" is real in the sense that any competitive confrontation between people can be referred to as a "battle" (ie "courtroom battle") even though it's not physical, and by the same logic the "Halloween War" is similarly real. There are some in-universe elements like "space station", "spaceships" and "B-R5RB star system" that are referred to as real objects when they aren't, but I think this is fine. The first few lines already establish that this is a virtual battle in the eve online universe; it's no worse than stating "Black's Queen attacks White's King", provided you've already established that you're talking about a game of chess. Qualifying these terms with "in-game" or "virtual" would just be a waste of words. Binkyuk ( talk) 11:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
<snip>
While it's not bad content, I'm wary of this article turning in to a neverending future history of EVE Online if we keep extending the Aftermath section for every new development. The secondary sources that provide notability (which TMC isn't one of, since it's a single issue news site. It's ok to cite from there, but coverage by TMC doesn't make something notable) only covered the battle itself. I think it might be wiser to draw a line under things a few days after the battle, or we're in danger of becoming an eve fansite. Binkyuk ( talk) 17:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Someone needs to check the numbers on this, but I believe the battle on Serenity that happened shortly after this fight was bigger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Throsturth ( talk • contribs) 23:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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I remember reading about this on the news back in the day. Never played Eve, but I love space MMOs and always wanted to play it! I'll have this finished soon.
JAG
UAR
21:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
≠===Initial comments===
I'll leave this on hold until all of the above have been addressed. It was an interesting read! I wish I could get Eve Online.
JAG
UAR
17:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
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This article could add more information seen in the YouTube video "Bloodbath of B-R5RB from eyes of aggressor." Such as Pandemic legion focused on destroying super-capitals while ClusterFuck combined multiple Titans (to overcome long reloads due to time dilation) to kill a Pandemic legion titan. It can additionally add information of why the main battle-field looks like it does (the ships being in a big messy sphere of ships) as that is a frequent question that pops up--the answer would be that since ClusterFuck wrecking ball causes a defensive sphere; Pandemic legion forced ships in to it to neutralize it thus leaving a spherical battle-field. I had considered adding but this site's too anal 'bout needing sources and for some reason a forum isn't as valued as a commercial/media/report article. -- 94.234.36.106 ( talk) 12:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The result was: rejected by
Theleekycauldron (
talk)
20:55, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Created by Das Kittles ( talk). Self-nominated at 15:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC).
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think the article needs to be reassessed on Good Article status. While the battle is probably notable, the article fails the Good Article criteria of being understandable to a wide audience and balanced in coverage. It cites a single primary source no less than 22 times and goes heavily into the minutia of the battle that is largely relevant to fans. It only has a couple of sentences about the battle's real-world relevance such as making money for CCP Games. It requires major cleanup to stress why the battle does not fail WP:INDISCRIMINATE and had long-term effects. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 18:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Zxcvbnm, I've made some changes. What are your thoughts so far?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:10, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Ok, anything else?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)